[raycey]

Reading Rogue's and NOM's stories gives me more reason not to play the game. That's my excuse and I'm sticking with it.

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Maynarde:

Don't lump SEA in with those NA dogs!

[VoxMSI.Rogue]

Originally Posted by raycey

Reading Rogue's and NOM's stories gives me more reason not to play the game. That's my excuse and I'm sticking with it.

nuuuuuuu

To be honest, every time someone says something derogatory about my gender and gaming, it inspires me to get even better, just so i can hit them again on ladder and ******* kick their ass!

[x5_dot]

Originally Posted by raycey

Reading Rogue's and NOM's stories gives me more reason not to play the game. That's my excuse and I'm sticking with it.

Aww don't be too disheartened - unless you never intended to play anyway :P.

I've never experienced anything on their level. It is probably because I haven't played as much as them, but the comments I've had so far are more on the line of "wow, you're a girl and you play starcraft? i don't see many girls here". The people I've played are more in awe of my womanly presence than hating on me. Why? Not sure. Maybe bronze/silver players don't care so much. Maybe because I start each game with a "glhf ". Who knows...

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	VoxMSI.Rogue:	Manner dot is manner, also, they know PiG will hunt them down and gore them!
	raycey:	^^ What she said
	ZiggyD:	That sort of positive sexism can cause it's own problems. At least it not as directly hurtful as being called an 'x'.

[iM yang]

I get a lot of shit for being fake-asian, it's pretty depressing at times...

Actually in every game but SC2 I get called every asian derogatory name in the book, still makes me sad that people can be that mean.. Also happens on NA ladder sometimes

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	PiG:	Senor yang!
	nirvAnA:	lol!! Senor Chang!
	TCPLemminks:	yANG sama

[raycey]

Originally Posted by TARogue

nuuuuuuu

To be honest, every time someone says something derogatory about my gender and gaming, it inspires me to get even better, just so i can hit them again on ladder and ******* kick their ass!

I'm a rage quitter anyway, at least in other games, just ask Dox. Not sure I'd do much good for the female reputation.

Also I can get pretty heated and find it very easy to direct my anger at anyone but myself. Reckon it's best I stay away from this game. For everyone's sake.

[SLCN.Kez]

I don't get how people know someone is a girl when they play them?
A few people have thought I was a girl since my name is kez *short for Kerry, which unfortunately does happen generally be a girls name*, but eh.

I'm your typical white dude so I dont particularly know whats its like to be a minority but since I've been playing games my entire life on just about every competitive game there is I think people just need to grow a thicker skin? If anyone thinks sc2 is a harsh community they really should see what its like to play CS or dota/hon, now those are some really mean communities lol. Sc2 is pretty tame in my eyes, at least on sea and the relative low amount of games I play on NA.

Nor do I particularly think destiny is a "badboy" of sc2. If you actually listen to him he makes up logical well thought arguments generally in a well mannered way, and nor does he believe what he says is racist and his main argument is the same as everyone elses that people shouldnt take offense to language just because it may once have had racial connotations.



Lastly my $0.02 on the matter; If people keep making such a huge deal about whats racist/sexist/homophobic then that kinda only segregates them more? It's acknowledging that they are indeed different and should be treated differently and people need to watch what they say so intently as not to offend them because they're different ya know? Whilst I do agree that it's not nice when people do say these things and it might offend them and like I stated previously I have no idea whats it's like to be a minority, but people are going to be mean regardless of what ethnicity, sexual orientation or gender you are. The words they choose are simply the formality of it. If you were fat they would say shut up fat ass, if you had glasses they would say shut up 4 eyes etc, the only difference of course being that fat people or people with glasses weren't tormented/enslaved etc for hundreds of years because of this but eh, I feel like im going off topic and now just bringing up random points but hopefully people got something from it? lol >.<

*edit*
Oh I have one more point totally contradicting all my points above! People are obviously going to take offense to anything you say regardless of how you think the language should be interpreted, So if you're a community member don't "take a dumb ****** risk" (LOL I COULDNT HELP IT IM SORRY) and say anything that is going to offend someone and then try to justify it by bringing up the points I mentioned above. It's just not worth offending so many people for the sake of the principle of being able to say this stuff.

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VoxMSI.Rogue:

im tagged as femFxRogue on NA.. kinda gives it away

[VoxMSI.Rogue]

Pretty sure anyone who has ever watched my stream can verify I am an angry ******, I rage quit pretty hard sometimes Candy, but usually because I am angry at myself for doing something wrong, not so much because of my opponent. Raging is fine, infact, i am pretty sure most the people who bother watching my stream watch for the rage

[x5_dot]

Originally Posted by kez

I don't get how people know someone is a girl when they play them?

my sc2 picture thingy is of a girl... kinda gives it away also

Originally Posted by TARogue

Pretty sure anyone who has ever watched my stream can verify I am an angry ******

lol this is an understatement :P I ragequit too. Mostly because I believe my opponent does not deserve my gg.

[SLCN.Kez]

My portrait was a picture of a black man I never copped anything ahahah >.<

[|Erasmus|]

Originally Posted by dot89

my sc2 picture thingy is of a girl... kinda gives it away also

I know guys who use a female portrait...

I try not to assume anything online... :/

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	SLCN.Kez:	agreed!
	x5_dot:	lol
	neon:	I use that reporter chick or the queen! both female. best.
	fray`Alpha:	I use Selendis

[VoxMSI.Rogue]

I have a certain male friend who only uses the pic of Hall and calls her Sam like she is his imaginary girlfriend or something... -____________________________________________-

[raycey]

Ah well, guess I'll just have to go back to the excuse of not playing because I prefer console to PC. Don't hate me! In my defence, PC-exclusives are missing out

[Asrathiel]

So many things I could say in here... don't want a giant wall of text

So I'll just bring up one point. I hate hate HATE seeing the word 'rape' used so casually in the way it is in gaming. It makes me incredibly uncomfortable. Now I haven't been raped (sexually assulted, yes, but not raped) so I can only imagine how a woman who actually had gone though that trauma might feel seeing that word so casually tossed around, or even said to her on ladder...

And people wonder why there aren't more girls in gaming.

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	raycey:	I thoroughly agree, I dispise it so very much
	Nemo:	I Agree too
	NOM:	Same here :)

[ZiggyD]

Originally Posted by Asrathiel

So many things I could say in here... don't want a giant wall of text

So I'll just bring up one point. I hate hate HATE seeing the word 'rape' used so casually in the way it is in gaming. It makes me incredibly uncomfortable. Now I haven't been raped (sexually assulted, yes, but not raped) so I can only imagine how a woman who actually had gone though that trauma might feel seeing that word so casually tossed around, or even said to her on ladder...

And people wonder why there aren't more girls in gaming.

Me too. Not only is it super inappropriate it shows the user's poor grasp on the English language such that they can't find a better adjective to describe a victory/defeat. (Crushed, obliterated, destroyed?)

As for your mention about the lack of girls in gaming I actually did some research on that. It stems from a perceived lack of fit when females look at themselves in comparison to gamer culture. Obviously that lack of fit is reinforced by the normalization of offensive language/behaviour. Here is an interesting article on the subject by Mare Shepard.

[SLCN.Kez]

Originally Posted by Asrathiel

So many things I could say in here... don't want a giant wall of text

So I'll just bring up one point. I hate hate HATE seeing the word 'rape' used so casually in the way it is in gaming. It makes me incredibly uncomfortable. Now I haven't been raped (sexually assulted, yes, but not raped) so I can only imagine how a woman who actually had gone though that trauma might feel seeing that word so casually tossed around, or even said to her on ladder...

And people wonder why there aren't more girls in gaming.

I hardly think this is the reason why there aren't more girls in gaming

[Asrathiel]

Originally Posted by ZiggyD

As for your mention about the lack of girls in gaming I actually did some research on that. It stems from a perceived lack of fit. Obviously that lack of fit is reinforced by the normalization of offensive language/behaviour.

Oh, totally. It starts when girls are tiny and continues on... thse things are for girls, these things are for boys. Although it's much more accepted for girls to do 'boy things' than it is for boys to do 'girl things'. Luckily my parents didn't give a shit, and I played with He-Man toys, my little ponies, dinosaurs etc... both 'girl things' and 'boy things'. I'd be interested to find out the proportion of women who game or are involved in other traditionally male activities (female tradies, for instance) also had parents who didn't force them into gender stereotypes.

Originally Posted by kez

I hardly think this is the reason why there aren't more girls in gaming

It contributes. It can be a super unfriendly, uncomfortable environment for women to be in.

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x5_dot:

100% agree. Girls wear pink, boys wear blue mentality. God forbid you do anything out of the norm!

[x5_dot]

Originally Posted by dot89

*ZiggyD: *
That sort of positive sexism can cause it's own problems. At least it not as directly hurtful as being called an 'x'.

I will gladly take that kind of sexism over being called a derogatory name any day. Having grown up playing cricket, traditionally a male sport, it is really encouraging when people of both genders say "hey you play cricket? that's awesome" as opposed to "you play cricket? isn't that for boys?" or "girls can't play cricket" or "you play cricket, you must be a lesbian"

[raycey]

Originally Posted by Asrathiel

It contributes. It can be a super unfriendly, uncomfortable environment for women to be in.

So true. There are so many things I hate to see and so much that others say Dox refuses to share with me. He admits it's an environment that has yet to be truly fitting for female presence. Not to say there aren't those who are the exception, just not enough.

[FvRScrewby]

Originally Posted by kez

I'm your typical white dude so I dont particularly know whats its like to be a minority but since I've been playing games my entire life on just about every competitive game there is I think people just need to grow a thicker skin? If anyone thinks sc2 is a harsh community they really should see what its like to play CS or dota/hon, now those are some really mean communities lol. Sc2 is pretty tame in my eyes, at least on sea and the relative low amount of games I play on NA.

I don't think we should justify or at least downplay the use of some words by comparing SC with the FPS, FIghting and MOBA communities. IMO it's similar to justifying or demanding the people not to complain about the corruption in Brazil because it's worse in Zimbabwe. Just because they have it worse doesn't mean we should just harden up.

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	ZiggyD:	That's an interesting comparison I hadn't thought of!
	SLCN.Kez:	Was merely something to point out, irrespective of my overall argument
	Asrathiel:	Agreed entirely

[Zealo]

as a white male,i get death threats about 1 out of every 10 games i play on NA.

i think there's more retards using whatever insult they think might stick than actual discrimination.