[BAD.BiGbiRd]

I like to play games guyssssss

[Stallion]

Originally Posted by nRvPickleWeasel

ons vs nRv
lGdFai 0-2 Savior [WO]
onsXetech 0-2 Kez [WO]
zFxJYoong 1-2 Arden
onsKozo 2-0 Churlz
onsZero 0-2 nRvHavoC

nRv win 5-1.

what happened? just no shows?

[TAEdgE]

Originally Posted by cruxStallion

Guys I/we have had enough e drama for the week so lets just leave it at what happened happened and move on drop/leave and forgive and forget etc. I'm sure MrToast didn't mean anything negative towards Noodle or TA.

Even if he did say anything negative we all do some dumb things sometimes and regret it later so please just leave this here before this escalates.

I sorted it in Battle.net sir stallion, it is all good now

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Stallion:

your my hero <3

[calcifer19]

the entire seris was unfair for ons


i would like talk to admin

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x5_Bard:

rubbish. 2 of your players didnt turn up and you demanded reschedules.

[ProAnnn]

Originally Posted by calcifer19

the entire seris was unfair for ons


i would like talk to admin

Would you like to elaborate?

[LordByrnsy]

Originally Posted by cruxStallion

Bryney you shouldn't put nxz up there if irl havnt realised a player or race at least thats really unfair

oh yeah. my bad. They did submit it ... i just couldnt put it up cus i had to go to work

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Stallion:

aaaa i c <3

[InteGrand]

Winter nights vs TA Incomplete

wTSkrawl 0-0 TAsivvon (postpone)
wTMrToast 2-1 TANoodle done
wTEra 0-0 TAdippa (postpone)
wTRage 0-2 TAavanar done
(wTJack tragically passed away 1 hour before the SEACL, rage sub-in)
wTinte 2-1 TAFourby done

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	phoney:	im sorry for your loss :(
	ROOTPetraeus:	jack didn't actually die just so you know.
	BaKaiNu:	Condolences.

[calcifer19]

ok i just talk alittle


sry for my bad english
i dont want any more drama

first they adding 2 players into their roster with no sub left

Originally Posted by nRvPickleWeasel

nRv vs SPR

DelhiWarrior 2-1 LucienSPR
Churlz* 0-2 tbkSPR
Kez 1-2 SatuSPR
Auron* 2-0 NoThanxSPR
Rift* 2-1 BlitzSPR (Ace match)

nRv wins 4-2 against SPR. Thanks for games guys ggwp all!

* = substitutes. All 3 subs used for nRv, will be a tight next 2 months.

for Arden's game the result is not legal and does not count as 1 point for them

secondly

i asked pricke and savior to reschedule they agree to resechedule to wendnesday they both said ok and i said ok then i left conv and got dc twice, now they saying this never happend and want to take the walk over


thirdly, we initially rearreanged game 4, ace and 3 to play first.

xetech loged on while we still watching streaming of game ace

they refuse xetech to play kez because xetech was just little late and says its walk over and did no tell me anything

[x5_Bard]

Calcifer stop lying. Ive had enough of it.

The rule clearly states that you have 15 minutes to organise a sub if a player doesnt show up. All 5 of nerves players were online, 3 of yours were. You specifically told me that you wanted all games played at once, however only 3 of your players were online, you then did not organise subs or anything. It is not nerve's responsibility to make sure you have players available to play IT IS YOURS.

Xetech and Kez actually did play, the score was Xetech 2 Kez 0. This was due to Kez agreeing to, 3 hours after they were meant to play. How is this fair for someone to wait around for 1-2 hours for their match and then get told they have to reschedule it by you? This is absolute rubbish and you are kicking up a fuss for no reason. You are clearly in the wrong. Just take the loss and in the future make sure your players show up on time and if they dont you have a sub available.

I really dont understand why this is still going on, the rule clearly states that if a player no shows within 15 mins their opponent is awarded a walkover.

[calcifer19]

Originally Posted by nRvBard

Calcifer stop lying. Ive had enough of it.

The rule clearly states that you have 15 minutes to organise a sub if a player doesnt show up. All 5 of nerves players were online, 3 of yours were. You specifically told me that you wanted all games played at once, however only 3 of your players were online, you then did not organise subs or anything. It is not nerve's responsibility to make sure you have players available to play IT IS YOURS.

Xetech and Kez actually did play, the score was Xetech 2 Kez 0. This was due to Kez agreeing to, 3 hours after they were meant to play. How is this fair for someone to wait around for 1-2 hours for their match and then get told they have to reschedule it by you? This is absolute rubbish and you are kicking up a fuss for no reason. You are clearly in the wrong. Just take the loss and in the future make sure your players show up on time and if they dont you have a sub available.

I really dont understand why this is still going on, the rule clearly states that if a player no shows within 15 mins their opponent is awarded a walkover.

15 mins no show means i cannot use sub ?? so all 15mins no show = forfeit ?? now ? how many sub nRv used . yes i told u i want all game once later u guys just want streaming 1 by 1 ~ so i let go, xetech was waiting for kez beocause of stream he is in , so how come so 1 - 2 hour late, by join the ob game kez agree to delay his game

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	ProAnnn:	Reasonable.
	Snx.FigJig:	2 retards in one post

[x5_Bard]

"yes i told u i want all game once later u guys just want streaming 1 by 1 ~ so i let go"

What!? Are you serious? I asked you specifically if you wanted to do all the games at once or 1 after the other, you said all at once. It is clearly in the vod.

EDIT: Calcifer "xetech was waiting for kez beocause of stream he is in" doesnt change the fact that xetech was late. And you could have used the sub, there was nothing stopping you.

And why dont you actually have a look at this from saviors point of view.

Here I am rocking up to play a game at 11pm NZ time. My opponent is not online. So I wait. I am then told by the clan leader that he wont be coming online and that I need to reschedule with him. I attempt to reschedule and I am then told that those times dont work and that I need to do it when my opponent also can. After alot of debate the admins have now decided that I have to play my opponent regardless and if I dont show up he gets the walkover.

Seriously? If our player THAT SHOWED UP ONTIME AND READY TO PLAY, does not reschedule our opponent gets the walkover? I cannot honestly beleive that was the decision made. Ons dont have to use a sub, dont get any sort of negative impact. Meanwhile savior is now in the position where he has to organise a new time despite the fact that he obeyed the rules and showed up on time. Im sorry I cannot contemplate that the admins could actually come to this conclusion. You are punishing the player and team that was there on time and ready to play.

EDIT2: This is a screenshot from savior.

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LordByrnsy:

you shouldnt post things that havent been finally decided on yet

[Snx.FigJig]

You asked for a sub 2hrs later. This is getting ******* ridiculous.

[nirvAnA]

take it off the forums and with your league admins on skype guys. they will make a decision if both of you explain your cases civilly, name calling not going to help anyone.

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LordByrnsy:

voice of reason :)

[wTlzq]

Im not taking any sides, but most clans up to this point have been very flexible with the rescheduling of the games. Because all in all, we are just looking to play the games.

but ultimately the rules were set from the beginning...

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Snx.FigJig:

not rules anymore y0

[InteGrand]

I am taking side with non-nRv. SEACL T2 is not GSTL, we are not going after a 10k prize, most of us are jus here coz we like this game. Yes, the rule said 15 min walk over, blah blah, but are we really in such a rush that we just have to get the game done and over with in one day? Most hotels don't put up signs saying you have to give tips, but people still do it. Why? Coz nobody is so strict over 10 dollars that they'd rather kill their holiday mood over it. nRv is clearly (very very very very) dedicated to SEACL, i guess that's not a bad thing? maybe?

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	Snx.FigJig:	no
	Snx.Mufasa:	terrible attitude
	ProAnnn:	this

[LordByrnsy]

Hi there,
I'm just letting people know whats going on and keeping a record on the thread.
Unfortunately I was rather late in showing up for the SEACL for todays games (I forgot it was on.. my bad)
And while I was away there was a communication break down between NRV and Ons which I feel I could have helped resolved if I had been present. Because of this I have stepped in to handle the situation and have rescheduled the match to sunday 9pm AEDT 6pm SGT and awarded both teams a free sub for the particular match.
This is by no means the best or worst solution but I feel that it is the one that best fits the spirit of the SEACL. Take it as it is and please enjoy the rest of the season.
-LordByrnsy
Your Friendly Neighborhood SEACL Admin

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	x5_Bard:	why do they get awarded a sub for not playing by the rules
	nirvAnA:

[Snx.FigJig]

May not be on for force rescheduled match for ons and nRv. nRvReere.210 or Naaraa.451 or nRvGRiM.550 will be on to oversee it.

Calc, this is how you inform people of any changes. Learn from this.

[Xenomorph]

I seriously think that all SEAL admins should get together and refine the rules on subs/wildcards/walkovers/rescheduling, as the current ones allow for sh*t storms to easily occur (the above situation is an example, and the situation I had with benji for SPR vs xGKing is another). Further regulations, rules and methods need to be put in place so we can avoid this kind of thing. If this is implemented, the future seasons of SEAL will be better off.

Just my 2 cents anyway, not trying to cause a huge argument

Cheers,

XenomorphSPR - manager

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x5_Bard:

100% agree.

[Frogmite]

Ok, i'll step up because i saw many things i don't like in this thread.

First:

Originally Posted by nRvPickleWeasel

Real result. Next one will be the result changed by admins going against the rules.

I gave you an infraction, rules says that you have to respect admins work, thing that you obvisouly didn't do here. Second thing, we don't go against the rules.

Second:

It's admin's role to give walkover or not. Unless both team leader agrees for a walkover, you need an admin to witness what is going on. Unless you can prove that your players were all connected and the other were not for 15 minutes after the start.

Third:

Rules are very clear, but never make justice yourselves, always ask admins. If not tier 2 admins ask myself or NirvAnA there will always be someone connected.


To prevent players from simply getting walkovered, we are introducing a "Substitution feature". Teams are given a limited number of "Substitue chances" and anyone on a team's roster can be used as a substitute to replace a no show. Players can even use this feature to get a more favorable matchup but that is strongly not advised as you would be using up your precious Substitution chances when you legitimately need a replacement. This is to prevent abuse when admins are unable to determine if people are "purposely not showing". All tiers will have this substitute feature but it will vary depending on the league you are in.
Tiers 1-2 will only be allowed 3 subs.
Tiers 3 will be allowed 5 subs.
Tiers 4 will be allowed 8 subs
Tier 5 will be allowed up to 10 subs.
This also adds a certain element of strategy should all your players show up punctually all the time. To use a substitute:

1) Player must be on the official team roster.
2) Player must not be already playing a game on that day.
3) Team must not have exceeded its substitution limit, and if there is a dispute the admin must be notified.
4) Inform the admin.

Should you fail to have any substitutes left and your player does not show, the match will end in a 2-0 score in the present player's favour. So be very careful with your substitutions! Not showing up 15 minutes after match time will result in the walkover.

Fourth:

To Onslaught: it's not the first time your players are late for a seacl game. I'll give you a warning. It's not GSTL as someone said but you have to respect other teams as well. I sincerely hope it's the last time this is hapenning.

To nRv: I don't want to see any more stuff like " admins don't do their jobs". We all spend a lot of time making this clan league and these kind of comments are not welcome. If you have a problem we are here to take decisions, if you disagree then you have to prove your points.

To both teams: i hope it's the last time we see this. We are organizing SEACL for clans to enjoy a friendly competition, not sure we'll allow such behaviour from teams pretending to access tier1.

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	Snx.FigJig:	contradicted what T2 admins discussed, by this we shouldn't be forced to reschedule. gg
	TAEdgE:	Counter-acting retarded amounts of neg rep
	x5.Revenant:
	Nemo:	Like a BOSS !
	ROOTPetraeus:
	nirvAnA:

[x5_Bard]

Originally Posted by Frogmite

"if you disagree then you have to prove your points."

I'm pretty confident I can.

Originally Posted by Frogmite

Not showing up 15 minutes after match time will result in the walkover.

This part of the rule feels like it has been bent?

Originally Posted by Frogmite

To prevent players from simply getting walkovered, we are introducing a "Substitution feature".

This isnt the part of the rule that was questioned, basically the opposing team ons wanted to reschedule while Nerve wanted either a substitution to take place or have the game walkovered. I feel that a reschedule has to be agreed upon by both teams as there is no real rule and limitations to it. Essentially the team rescheduling has the advantage as they are not having to use a substitute for the game.

Originally Posted by Frogmite

not sure we'll allow such behaviour from teams pretending to access tier1.

It's quite bad mannered to suggest both teams are "pretending" to be tier 1. I'm quite confident our team can compete at a tier 1 level. I think we showed that in SEACC (well havoc did ^^).

In terms of admins, you guys cant claim you dont have any faults or always make correct decisions. Your human, we all know that. But in this case you are clearly siding with clan ons. Not only are they getting a substitute for this game incase their player cant make it but they are getting a reschedule for a game that they needed to use a substitute on. I dont feel this is fair on future teams playing clan ons, as substitutes are really key in this competition, something that Nerve has keenly felt.