[Ghost300]

I haven't played on SEA server for a while now. I see you have moved Ghost from suspected to confirmed. I have no desire to clear my account name from this list, simply because I don't care enough to go through more than I already did.

I wish this community the very best because the way it seems, there will be plenty more innocent players who will be accused of maphacking and then have their replays analyzed by people who don't know much about the game. I understand that player level on SEA server is way below the other ones, that's why I was able to get to top GM on this server so quickly, but if you want to analyze replays to decide whether one is maphacking or not, you need to have at least some basic understandings of the game... don't you think?

So yes I chronoboosted my 3 gates when I still had bases to saturate. Why? because I scouted makaprime 2rax opening and that was exactly what I needed to do. Instead of limiting yourself to think of it as a "suspicious play", I suggest you to simply watch and learn exactly how to optimize your 1gate double to defend a 2rax opening. Trust me, your PvT will improve by a lot. No, this is not an excuse to defend myself. Just keep my name on that list, at least I will get to laugh at it once every while :P

Obviously, I'm the only person who knows for sure whether I have maphacked or not. And based on that fact, the entire list doesn't seem very credible to me anymore, even the ones that say "Confirmed blatant maphacker". How so sure? All the analysis seems to be like "Why did you make that move there, it looks really suspicious!!" When it is simply that you don't understand why. Are you expecting me to teach you the entire game? Well no thanks, I'm definitely not like MC good, I won't be coaching anyone =)

When I said there will be more people getting false accusations, it also means there will be real maphackers who will get away with hacking, making fun of the whole purpose of this thread. There probably are a lot of them already, I've seen some suspicious plays by people with clan name with their handles!

Lastly, I blame blizzard for all this because they have failed to secure the game from hacking. I hope one day, anyone who decide to hack will get their account banned immediately so people know for sure if one's been hacking. That way Nemo can spend his time practicing and actually getting better at playing, instead of spending hours to analyze pointless replays to find any in-game actions he doesn't understand!! I appreciate all you guys' hard work, at least you're trying to make battle.net a better place.

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	iMSystem:	Been trying to tell people this for a while now
	ROOTPetraeus:	Nobody disses Nemo.
	crAzerk:	Goodbye. read reply below
	nirvAnA:	People don't need to read the post the topic title u wrote sums it up
	[TA]LoSt:	lol
	PiG:	dumbest post ever
	TAScarecrow:	so full of shit

[NvRossi]

^ best protoss in SEA

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TABjornbrandr:

/cuddle

[Nemo]

This time you come here and insult people and SEA in general. Where is the polite and controlled answer of last time ?

This attitude is sad. If you were not guilty you would defend yourself, you would never accept such an injustice to you and you would make all needed to prove us we were wrong. In fact you prefer to insult us to try to keep your face because you don't want anymore scrutiny on your games.

Go away, SEA don't want you anymore.

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	syfChadMann:	Agreed - gtfo map hacker.
	Ghost300:	I truly wish you the best in finding maphackers Nemo.
	nirvAnA:	exactly so much easier to defend yourself by posting the ladder replays then typing all that
	asdfSchnitzel:

[NvPinder]

Originally Posted by Ghost300

I haven't played on SEA server for a while now. I see you have moved Ghost from suspected to confirmed. I have no desire to clear my account name from this list, simply because I don't care enough to go through more than I already did.

I wish this community the very best because the way it seems, there will be plenty more innocent players who will be accused of maphacking and then have their replays analyzed by people who don't know much about the game. I understand that player level on SEA server is way below the other ones, that's why I was able to get to top GM on this server so quickly, but if you want to analyze replays to decide whether one is maphacking or not, you need to have at least some basic understandings of the game... don't you think?

So yes I chronoboosted my 3 gates when I still had bases to saturate. Why? because I scouted makaprime 2rax opening and that was exactly what I needed to do. Instead of limiting yourself to think of it as a "suspicious play", I suggest you to simply watch and learn exactly how to optimize your 1gate double to defend a 2rax opening. Trust me, your PvT will improve by a lot. No, this is not an excuse to defend myself. Just keep my name on that list, at least I will get to laugh at it once every while :P

Obviously, I'm the only person who knows for sure whether I have maphacked or not. And based on that fact, the entire list doesn't seem very credible to me anymore, even the ones that say "Confirmed blatant maphacker". How so sure? All the analysis seems to be like "Why did you make that move there, it looks really suspicious!!" When it is simply that you don't understand why. Are you expecting me to teach you the entire game? Well no thanks, I'm definitely not like MC good, I won't be coaching anyone =)

When I said there will be more people getting false accusations, it also means there will be real maphackers who will get away with hacking, making fun of the whole purpose of this thread. There probably are a lot of them already, I've seen some suspicious plays by people with clan name with their handles!

Lastly, I blame blizzard for all this because they have failed to secure the game from hacking. I hope one day, anyone who decide to hack will get their account banned immediately so people know for sure if one's been hacking. That way Nemo can spend his time practicing and actually getting better at playing, instead of spending hours to analyze pointless replays to find any in-game actions he doesn't understand!! I appreciate all you guys' hard work, at least you're trying to make battle.net a better place.

What I dont understand about people like you who are so 'gifted' that everyone else can't see the level-above logic you're using to make your miraculously correct decisions is, why don't you just come to LAN tournaments and take all the prize money...?

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TABjornbrandr:

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Ghost300

I have no desire to clear my account name from this list

OK kewl, goodbye forever.

[aLtShortizz]

Originally Posted by TAChampi

i pmed onscalcifer on b.net letting him know that onsjcampone has been added to the confirmed hackers list, and requested he let the leader of ons know, whoever that may be.

Ive spoken to calcifer before on hacking issues too. But i didnt have enough proof or replays so i just let it slide by. Imo sometimes its better to just warn/alert the clan leader to let them sort it out within themselves.

The replay u posted however, looks very convincing, well done again!

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calcifer19:

Did you ?? when ?

[crAzerk]

Originally Posted by Ghost300

the entire list doesn't seem very credible to me anymore, even the ones that say "Confirmed blatant maphacker". How so sure? All the analysis seems to be like "Why did you make that move there, it looks really suspicious!!

'How so sure'? If you have actually bothered to click on the analysis or watched the replay yourself, you will see that the 'blatant maphack' cases are pretty straightforward cases of glancing into Fog of War, and not a 'odd decisions' kind of case.

I would have been glad to remove your name from the list if you had bothered to justify some of your actions (which seemed not justifiable by many), but instead you choose to come back and slam the community instead.

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nirvAnA:

[wTlzq]

Ghost300= xXGhostXx??

if thats so, he flamed me for opening 14pool15hatch against his nexus->gate->forge. ( which results in my 8 lings killing everything), while claiming that SEA players are cheesey assholes..made me laughed that game

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AxSGRiM:

[nirvAnA]

Haven't been here in awhile but wow..... crAzerk and Nemo in particular have done an amazing job with this thread. Great job guys! Looks like many obvious hackers have been outted.

Originally Posted by TAJPMoney

What I dont understand about people like you who are so 'gifted' that everyone else can't see the level-above logic you're using to make your miraculously correct decisions is, why don't you just come to LAN tournaments and take all the prize money...?

To add to what Pinder has said, both Timber and I studied about 5 replays of him(Ghost), sent it to a few other top players before we made the decision to upload the replays. Now are you saying we are all too low level to understand your thought process or the game? So your whole argument fails and that personal attack on Nemo is just sad and unnecessary.

And if you cared so much about clearing your name (you obviously actually do hence your long post) you would have posted the ladder replays. But you can't do that because some will inevitably show you blatantly hacking and you know it.

[RicocheT]

No need to diss Nemo who uses his own time and effort to seek out suspicious activity ala maphack.
He may not be the most knowledgeable person but on sc2sea we have a huge group of high players that can also give their own opinions if others are unsure.

[xGKingdelete]

Well ghost, it's a shame things had to end this way. Maphacks or not, you have to be decent to get ranked so high anyway. If it were me, I would be fighting for my credibility and reputation above all else. But of course, it isn't me.

It's good to see you aren't openly angry at the community about this, but please, don't insult Nemo. He's just analysing, and he's done a great job of it.

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Eldrid:

handsomest nerdballer ev0r

[Nemo]

Thanks for your support guys.

I didn't want to justify myself to Ghost on his personal attacks as it's not to the defendant to judge his prosecutors. I did my analysis and let others judge the case, helped or not by my analysis. It's just an help to let people make their opinions.

So when he says that it's people that has not enough understanding of the game that judge him, he in fact indicate (and insulting) guys like Vendetta, Nirvana, delete12, Timber, wolf (all and all except Timber) who thought he indeed was probably hacking.

Those guys all said that my work helped at least a bit make an opinion about it, so it was not a waste of time. I'm not a good player and I lack a lot of knowledge of this game, but I have still my qualities that can contribute to see or highlight certain things. The fact that people here were able to accept that you still can talk and be listened to without being the best player out there is one of the reason I made sc2sea my sc2 "home".

When you start attacking people and no more their ideas, it's generally that you know your ideas are wrong.

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	syfChadMann:	<3 your
	Eldrid:	have my children

[faithHunter]

Originally Posted by Ghost300

I haven't played on SEA server for a while now. I see you have moved Ghost from suspected to confirmed. I have no desire to clear my account name from this list, simply because I don't care enough to go through more than I already did.

I wish this community the very best because the way it seems, there will be plenty more innocent players who will be accused of maphacking and then have their replays analyzed by people who don't know much about the game. I understand that player level on SEA server is way below the other ones, that's why I was able to get to top GM on this server so quickly, but if you want to analyze replays to decide whether one is maphacking or not, you need to have at least some basic understandings of the game... don't you think?

So yes I chronoboosted my 3 gates when I still had bases to saturate. Why? because I scouted makaprime 2rax opening and that was exactly what I needed to do. Instead of limiting yourself to think of it as a "suspicious play", I suggest you to simply watch and learn exactly how to optimize your 1gate double to defend a 2rax opening. Trust me, your PvT will improve by a lot. No, this is not an excuse to defend myself. Just keep my name on that list, at least I will get to laugh at it once every while :P

Obviously, I'm the only person who knows for sure whether I have maphacked or not. And based on that fact, the entire list doesn't seem very credible to me anymore, even the ones that say "Confirmed blatant maphacker". How so sure? All the analysis seems to be like "Why did you make that move there, it looks really suspicious!!" When it is simply that you don't understand why. Are you expecting me to teach you the entire game? Well no thanks, I'm definitely not like MC good, I won't be coaching anyone =)

When I said there will be more people getting false accusations, it also means there will be real maphackers who will get away with hacking, making fun of the whole purpose of this thread. There probably are a lot of them already, I've seen some suspicious plays by people with clan name with their handles!

Lastly, I blame blizzard for all this because they have failed to secure the game from hacking. I hope one day, anyone who decide to hack will get their account banned immediately so people know for sure if one's been hacking. That way Nemo can spend his time practicing and actually getting better at playing, instead of spending hours to analyze pointless replays to find any in-game actions he doesn't understand!! I appreciate all you guys' hard work, at least you're trying to make battle.net a better place.

You know, after critiquing the entire SC2SEA community like that, saying that our "player level on SEA server is way below the other ones" and dissing Nemo who was just trying to help the SC2SEA community hacker free, you COULD at least post a replay pack of the games you played. You know, just to clear your name. Since the reason why your name was put on the Confirmed Hacker list was because you are: "Highly suspected and does not wish to submit more replays to clear his name, moving to Confirmed Hacker unless he comes back to clear his name" It won't kill, would it?

[Rockstar]

Anything he does at this point won't clear his name. He left it too long. The only way he could have cleared it is if he uploaded the games prior to the ones which we analysed. Which is impossible at this point, We have no way of confirming that those games were played prior to the ones uploaded here. On top of that, he blatantly maphacked in the other replays anyway...

[Meatex]

DeltaV production tab hacker
Played this guy on ladder a few times and he had a very odd ability to sense what I was doing every time.
Going to save future replays as evidence as don't think I have any saved from the earlier times

http://www.sc2sea.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=766

+ Show +

This one at 4:30 he has probe position at his FFE wall waiting possibly to drop cyber core
My roach warren goes down and few seconds later he puts pylon where he'd want his cyber core and adds a second cannon. I denied his fake scouting (as he doesn't even click it into my base just clicks it below the ramp outside my natural)
You could argue that maybe he just wanted to be safe but he continues to add 2 additional cannons for a total of 4. Not to mention he made one zealot he sent to the tower that I killed with 4 lings. He had no vision no prompt to make 4 cannons and go straight for sentries and chronoing his warpgate while holding position a probe and sentry at gap in the wall.
His actions are while not 100% definitive, are absolutely indicative of reactionary play to an all in he knows is coming that he shouldn't have

[PiG]

yeah at first i was skeptical about some of the things that catch maphackers, then i realised that once u get X amount of instances where they do shit THAT sus then they usually are. My good friend evets was a hacker right under my eyes and I didn't know it. Maybe you are a rare example of someone who isn't. But all you did was refute ONE example of u probably hacking.

You instead wrote a self-indulgent little rant about this site and the SEA server because you're a little piece of shit. "Can't be bothered" my ass. Go kill yourself mate.

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	Apth:	Go kill yourself?
	TABjornbrandr:	counter-rep for laying down the law
	ROOTPetraeus:	bit harsh
	MooZfY:	:(
	Eldrid:	laying down the law+1
	Nemo:	PiG righful fury. :) Well, Ghost don't kill yourself though, it's just a game. ;)
	Zealo:	**** hackers
	nirvAnA:	all good till last line piggy!
	syfChadMann:	I lol'd
	ToRSpartaz:	Last line man :(
	Rockstar:
	TASlowHands:	Thats not funny my goldfish died that way

[crAzerk]

@Meatex
Just watched the replay, and even though it seems suspicious, it's hardly conclusive, as you said so himself. Would need more replays to even put him on 'Suspected Hackers' imo.

Some random possible reasons I can think of:
- He has played you before and you do roach/ling all ins (no idea if this is true, just saying)
- He has played Zergs before this who roach/ling all in him and he wanted to be safe
- He is bad.

Weak reasons, yes, but similarly weak case.

@Pig
A little late, doncha think ? :/

[Theend]

It happens to me when i play random.
My opp said at the start of game example "dont 6p me"
Oh Pls.... i was playing random..... i have replay if u want see.
We cant prevent other from doing "whatever" they like.
As long as we play fair all is good i think
my2c

[xGKingdelete]

Originally Posted by FaDeMeatex

DeltaV production tab hacker
Played this guy on ladder a few times and he had a very odd ability to sense what I was doing every time.
Going to save future replays as evidence as don't think I have any saved from the earlier times

http://www.sc2sea.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=766

+ Show +

This one at 4:30 he has probe position at his FFE wall waiting possibly to drop cyber core
My roach warren goes down and few seconds later he puts pylon where he'd want his cyber core and adds a second cannon. I denied his fake scouting (as he doesn't even click it into my base just clicks it below the ramp outside my natural)
You could argue that maybe he just wanted to be safe but he continues to add 2 additional cannons for a total of 4. Not to mention he made one zealot he sent to the tower that I killed with 4 lings. He had no vision no prompt to make 4 cannons and go straight for sentries and chronoing his warpgate while holding position a probe and sentry at gap in the wall.
His actions are while not 100% definitive, are absolutely indicative of reactionary play to an all in he knows is coming that he shouldn't have

I think you should have stayed in the game until the end, you weren't too far behind. Just saying.

But yeah, 4 blind cannons is strange. would like to see more replays of this guy

[wTlzq]

What is the league of DeltaV?