[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Fourby

@Rockstar:

I'm pretty sure this situation is becoming quite close to last resort, as some just can't handle it anymore.

Yes mostly an intervention is held by FRIENDS and FAMILY, but the reason for this is because they are the MOST AFFECTED by the person. In this case it is the community.


/Usually you dont reply to rep comments I know, but this guy constantly bad reps stupid things and I just cant stay silent about it anymore.. It's really annoying

actually in the entire time I've been on this forum I think this is the only thread I've ever neg repped in. I don't even like repping at all. I neg repped in this thread to somewhat balance the circlejerk rep being thrown around. "hey man great job calling a guy a tool..." "oh man that was real clever how you spent like 2 paragraphs explaining that calling him a tool is OK and constructive" The post where he was called a tool gets 10 +reps while actual constructive posts get 2... ridiculous.

Anyway, who am I to say anything against the bias in this thread. I mean if the guy whom this thread is directed at hasn't even replied to any of you why should I bother? (Also thats kind of a big thing in itself isn't it). I suppose it's because I see injustice and don't like it. I'm not the kind to bend my morals for popularity and I never will be. This thread is wrong. If I saw some guy copping punches in the street for next to no reason I'd step in there too...

All the people "constructively criticising" Benji in this thread need to ask themselves why the hell they have the right. As far as I'm concerned he's dedicated a lot of time and effort into his fans/viewers and he obviously does what he does because he enjoys it. I'm not in any way saying criticism isn't a good tool for learning, but this thread is an absolute mockery when it comes to constructive criticism.

Benji is a caster, not a punching bag. Don't like his casting don't watch it. This whole thread is a joke and why it exists is beyond me. Have the balls to say your shit in private without the circlejerk rep... If you're not in a position to talk to him in a 1 on 1 basis than why the hell are you criticising him? Because you watch his stream? Don't ******* watch it.

Bring on the neg rep, I really don't care. I see a guy being abused by a bunch of "Bullies" (god I hate that word so much but it's the best for this situation) and I don't like it.

For the record some of the posts in this thread WERE constructive. This response is in no way directed towards the authors of those posts.

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	x5_Potter:	What a tool.
	Apth:	Entitled to an opinion, as are all of us
	syfChadMann:	go back and read the thread - then learn about the back story. -_-
	Synizta:	looks like a pointless post.
	Champi:	Total Moonstar

[oGrNsCo]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

actually in the entire time I've been on this forum I think this is the only thread I've ever neg repped in. I don't even like repping at all. I neg repped in this thread to somewhat balance the circlejerk rep being thrown around. "hey man great job calling a guy a tool..." "oh man that was real clever how you spent like 2 paragraphs explaining that calling him a tool is OK and constructive" The post where he was called a tool gets 10 +reps while actual constructive posts get 2... ridiculous.

Anyway, who am I to say anything against the bias in this thread. I mean if the guy whom this thread is directed at hasn't even replied to any of you why should I bother? (Also thats kind of a big thing in itself isn't it). I suppose it's because I see injustice and don't like it. I'm not the kind to bend my morals for popularity and I never will be. This thread is wrong. If I saw some guy copping punches in the street for next to no reason I'd step in there too...

All the people "constructively criticising" Benji in this thread need to ask themselves why the hell they have the right. As far as I'm concerned he's dedicated a lot of time and effort into his fans/viewers and he obviously does what he does because he enjoys it. I'm not in any way saying criticism isn't a good tool for learning, but this thread is an absolute mockery when it comes to constructive criticism.

Benji is a caster, not a punching bag. Don't like his casting don't watch it. This whole thread is a joke and why it exists is beyond me. Have the balls to say your shit in private without the circlejerk rep... If you're not in a position to talk to him in a 1 on 1 basis than why the hell are you criticising him? Because you watch his stream? Don't ******* watch it.

Bring on the neg rep, I really don't care. I see a guy being abused by a bunch of "Bullies" (god I hate that word so much but it's the best for this situation) and I don't like it.

For the record some of the posts in this thread WERE constructive. This response is in no way directed towards the authors of those posts.

no man, we not try to bully Benji..
Just that he mostly represent SEA for us in the major sea tournament (streaming), so other people from other community see our stream would have a better impression to us.
If we care for Benji we will voice out our thoughts to him (what we doing here now) and not letting him know will be worse.

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	Fourby:
	Champi:

[TAEdarus]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

This thread is wrong. If I saw some guy copping punches in the street for next to no reason I'd step in there too...

Oh sorry, for a moment there I thought you read the thread and understood the overwhelming consensus that there IS a reason for people giving Benji feedback through a public medium since, through any other means, he shrugs it off with a "same shit same people" sorta bullshit attitude.

Originally Posted by Rockstar

All the people "constructively criticising" Benji in this thread need to ask themselves why the hell they have the right. As far as I'm concerned he's dedicated a lot of time and effort into his fans/viewers and he obviously does what he does because he enjoys it. I'm not in any way saying criticism isn't a good tool for learning, but this thread is an absolute mockery when it comes to constructive criticism.

Because without these PLAYERS (the ones who are criticising him), who the hell would he be dedicating his time to cast? What would you do if you were, say, an AFL player who goes home to rewatch a game you just played in, only to have Bruce Mcavaney hang shit on you endlessly and talk up the opposition like their shit doesn't stink and the whole world should get down on their knees and start subserviently sucking their dicks?

Its bullshit and it has to stop. Thats the opinion of the people posting in this thread.

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Benji is a caster, not a punching bag. Don't like his casting don't watch it. This whole thread is a joke and why it exists is beyond me.

Don't you feel that giving someone the opportunity to reconcile with the people they've offended is fair? We're trying to help the guy to extend his audience and mend fences with his previous / existing audience he pushed away through his arrogant self-involved comments.

I'm sorry, to me this thread feels like people trying to help the guy rather than just "not watch".

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Have the balls to say your shit in private without the circlejerk rep...

Again good thread-reading skills!
Many people have tried. All have failed to get any positive outcome.

Originally Posted by Rockstar

If you're not in a position to talk to him in a 1 on 1 basis than why the hell are you criticising him? Because you watch his stream? Don't ******* watch it.

The point of this thread is to stop that from happening. People like Benji when hes not talking xGKing up or belittling others. They WANT to be able to watch his stream without him applying his heavy bias, poor jokes and bad manner toward non-xGKing players (and also have a more positive view on games, talk about whats good not whats bad).

As a couple of people has said its getting close to the point that they will stop watching, and Benji won't be able to stroke his stream-viewers e-peen anymore.

They're trying to help him

Originally Posted by oGrNsCo

no man, we not try to bully Benji..
Just that he mostly represent SEA for us in the major sea tournament (streaming), so other people from other community see our stream would have a better impression to us.
If we care for Benji we will voice out our thoughts to him (what we doing here now) and not letting him know will be worse.

What he said.


Given that you have misunderstood the purpose and intent of the thread, and also failed to read it in entirety before posting I feel this may be a lost cause. If you can't do it then why should anyone expect Benji to?

Quite sad this may lead to Benji losing supporters and stream viewers, and subsequently a portion of any youtube / twitch.tv income he may make which relies on these people supporting his content.


Ohhh, just thought of a brilliant analogy. Kyle Sandilands. Even though i'm in the same "position of right to criticise" (as is the rest of the public), hes ultimately an entertainer and if you end up pissing off the people you rely on to have the "job" then why the f*ck are you even bothering to do it? You're gonna lose the support and ultimately the purpose of what you're doing... In Benji's case he'll end up losing the supporters his stream relies on.

TLR - Pull YOUR head in and read the god damned thread properly and understand the intent before you get up on your high horse.

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oGrNsCo:

Love the Sandilands example hahah

[foxmeep]

At what point in history has someone in a position of significance been reformed instead of replaced? I doubt Benji will ever be the model representative for SEA that you all want him to be. The fact is that people rarely ever change significantly.

Unfortunately for the SEA community, you're all just willing to sit back and do nothing about it. The only reason Benji is where he is now is because he's worked for it, and you've all let him get there. The man is who he is, and it's been widely known for a long time now.

While I totally agree that Benji should be a better representative for SEA given the position he is in, it's ridiculous to expect him to be anything different simply because he's there. If people really want to help the SEA community expand, then people are going to have to step up and put in the effort to make it happen.

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TAEdarus:

I like your reasoning.

[Spud]

I like big-boy Benji and what he does around the place. Best advice is to let the world know you as a person and not be defined solely on the stuff ur involved with. Takes a Big man to authorize this thread, seriously grats.

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nGenLight:

Good advice

[cruxSpoon]

I believe the purpose of this thread has been met. The majority of "criticisms" have been covered in the first 3 pages, with the rest being just reiterations and shouting match btwn pro and anti benji's (hehe that sounds kinda funny). Would it be about time to lock this thread or have someone sum it up then lock it?

I dont think theres a need for more people to say "hey Benji change is needed" as there is already an overwhelming agreement from the community. If you read this Benji I wish you the best of luck in molding yourself into the caster you have the potential to be.

TLDR: Nothing new being added to thread, time for lock.

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	TAEdarus:	Agreed
	crAzerk:	what I thought 3 pages ago
	nirvAnA:	Agreed, and closed
	TABiggun:	I don't know if its already been said but definately what I think is the best advice for any caster is to just watch a TON of replays and play a TON of starcraft 2. The more knowledge you have about sc2 the better.