[FaDeBadger]

Originally Posted by Scope_IV

Anybody have any more information or anything regarding this? I would like to here from iVn on their decisions and such. It has been quiet a while since anything has happened.

Well I would say judging by WIllChen's silence that he will be the one held responsible for the hacking, but I would also like to hear what iVn has to say.

[ThatGuyDoMo]

Sorry for the delay, myself and Stinger have been trying to get into contact with WillChen/FictioN and he is not responding at all.

I will not assume that this is him throwing a temper tantrum or an example of 'guilt by denial/silence'.

Taking that into account, it does not change the penalty for his actions anyway. He was found guilty by the sc2sea admins/community for hacking based on hard evidence. So admins you can guys do what you do best, as for the iVn side of things (as people seem to want to know rofl) we have decided to kick iVnWillChen/FictioN from the team roster completely and will not consider a reapplication from him in the future due to his childish behaviour (recently) and the uproar his actions have provoked.

I want to thank the people who discovered what WillChen was doing, exposed it and followed up on confirming their allegations sensibly. You have made the SEA scene a better place by removing another person whom clearly holds what we stand for in contempt.

Thanks, from myself and Team Invision!

^.^

Quick Comments

	Apth:
	Nemo:	Good decision
	syfChase:
	MikeTyson:

[Scope_IV]

Thanks for your response, I will be looking forward to playing against your members in the future. Im glad this got all sorted out Thanks to everybody who has put their time and effort into this matter.

[Rage]

I agree with Rockstar that hackers deserve no sympathy. Once hacking has been confirmed, flame away, as far as I'm concerned.

However, don't judge a clan by it.

[Zealo]

semi-suspicious game i had on ladder...

high diamond mmr

player: whiteluxury

+ Show +

http://drop.sc/101287

looks at my base through fog twice, (2nd time directly over pool) before this comment (note he hasn't even scouted my race yet)



also just before the 5 min mark after holding off my initial lings he totally walls off, which may indicate he saw the reinforcing lings on the minimap (or possibly just assumed they were coming instead of me droning behind initial 6 lings) i've never seen someone totally wall off like that before seeing the next round of lings either at their ramp or with scouting probe.

obviously 6 mins of play not enough to be conclusive on its own (maybe he was making a joke about me being random? at the 2 minute mark? :S)

[Nemo]

I've seen the replay. There is no way he could have been certain that you were making a early pool. It could have been a "random guess" but that's very suspicious to say the least.

5:00 : He played very calmly until that point 4 gating in response. Then a bunch of lings come out of your base and he suddenly make a pylon to block his base. You could say that's because he wants to attack with his units and not letting any runby. The stalker is blocked inside at the beginning then he gets it out before remaking the Pylon. His stalker was in great danger in that position. I wouldn't have made that move if I saw those Zerglings coming.



5:24 : And indeed, he looses both his units and the game.




The initial comment is very suspicious but I can't see anything really suspicious after that. Maybe someone else can see other things.

Quick Comments

Zealo:

i wouldn't discount the dumb option

[iMSystem]

Not enough evidence to justify calling him a hacker.

Sorry

[Apth]

Originally Posted by System

Not enough evidence to justify calling him a hacker.

Sorry

I can't see anything to point towards hacking. None of his responses are out of the ordinary, and his vision regularly switched to his scouting probe.

[FaDeBadger]

The only real evidence I saw of hacking was his comment. But that's definitely not enough to confirm anything.

[Rockstar]

Yeah, he totally called your early pool and then the 2nd comment was in response to the extra lings coming up... Just judging specifically from his gameplay, he's not diamond material... No diamond would have made the simple mistakes he made which inevitably cost him the game... 1 sentry was all he needed to stop that entire rush, and he didn't even have the forethought to get one.

Can't conclusively call him a hack, however that replays a step in the right direction. Hopefully someone else runs into him and uploads another replay.

Quick Comments

Zealo:

obviously 1 replay not enough, i thought his play sub diamond level also. it's there as evidence if there are more replays later

[PiG]

ppl tilt all the time and talk shit about random and play worse as result. I've called out loads of random players saying "proxygates?" or "mmmmmm 6 pool yum" and it's right like 15% of the time lol..

[Zealo]

yeah it happens, just not usually at the 2 minute mark as they look at my base through the fog.

never meant to suggest that rep is (conclusive or even strong) evidence, it's a 6 minute game. i just found it pretty sus at the tiome. it's there if there's ever any more suspicions posted about that player (or people want to go back and look at reps vs him i guess)

[Nemo]

Originally Posted by Zealo

yeah it happens, just not usually at the 2 minute mark as they look at my base through the fog.

never meant to suggest that rep is (conclusive or even strong) evidence, it's a 6 minute game. i just found it pretty sus at the tiome. it's there if there's ever any more suspicions posted about that player (or people want to go back and look at reps vs him i guess)

Whatever happens you were right to post it. His comment and the blocking of his base at the exact moment your zerglings came out of your base were suspicious enough to take his case under a certain scrutiny.

[syfChase]

Whilst playing Random on NA I spawned as Protoss against a Terran opponent

My opponent said "unlucky, toss like taking candy from a baby" within the opening seconds of the game o.o

Weird thing was He wasn't hacking ~.^
Lucky Guess, maybe? :Þ

[Nemo]

Probably. But at least you can't argue that what he said was true.

[Champi]

Just came across a maphacker from the 'ons' clan on ladder, a protoss player called onsjcapone

replay can be downloaded here: http://drop.sc/104121

Accusations:

1. He sends his first scout probe to my base first, and if u watch the probes rally, he tries to shift click it around the edges of my main to hide it from vision, possibly to try and hide proxies in my base right at the start.

2. at 3.40 he looks into my base to check when my cyber core finnishes and where i put my chrono's

3. at 4.50 i send my stalker to check for a probe to deny any sort of 4gate, said probe magically knows where my stalker is checking without sight, and carefully avoids my stalker so that he can continue his 4gate without being delayed

4. he looks into my base fog of war waaayyy too many times for what should be no reason in a legit game

5. there are other random little nuances that appear randomly throughout the game that i can't confirm are because of maphacking, but are deffinitely suspicious to me, such as sending out 3 probes (not due to bad rally) onto the map to try and possibly set up proxies, and coincidentally knowing when my timing is going to hit him and positioning his army in the correct spot to optimally defend and engage.


I also have a small prejudice against this ons clan, due to the shady and suspicious behaviour they displayed against my SEACL captain TALoSt in regards to lineups on week 2, with the dippa incident, obviously this is unrelated to this game.

(P.S. this is not an accusation due to a rage loss... I KICKED HIS ASS )

Quick Comments

Nemo:

Thanks for exposing a Map Hacker

[Churlz]

The amount of times he was looking in your base champi is pretty crazy. And that probe scout at the start makes a good case. Only thing is why did he build and observer... and used it to scout around the edge of his base that was weird for a maphacker. My opinion is that onsjcapone was hacking unless he can defend himself some way

[Champi]

my guess is that he built an observer for the sole purpose of sniping mine so that i couldnt have vision of his high ground

[Meatex]

In my opinion this is obvious hacking
He sent a second probe before knowing where his opponent was to try to sneak in and constantly looking at the guys base
the observer scouting was to find opponents observer - no idea about map hacks but i guess they don't uncloak units

[ROOTPetraeus]

Originally Posted by TAChampi

I also have a small prejudice against this ons clan, due to the shady and suspicious behaviour they displayed against my SEACL captain TALoSt in regards to lineups on week 2, with the dippa incident, obviously this is unrelated to this game, however i feel it may be necessary to keep a closer eye on this clan.

I don't feel its fair to say this. Its fine to accuse individual members of the clan as long as you have some proof.. but to criticize the actual clan because of a couple of 'incidents', you are going to need some actual proof that their clan itself is behind this.