[Scope_IV]

Yeah i just had a look at the sc2 hotkeys as well and that raised my suspicions even more. He uses the similar control methods in all the games. The other guy is very different. Care to explain willchen?

[crAzerk]

@Izq maybe some interpretation of that would help. I personally dont' use sc2gears so I've no idea what I'm looking at.

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wTlzq:

done :) hopefully u understand my poor english

[TCPKiaSu]

I think it is very very very sad to see that some of these hackers are actually in clans! I am also very disappointed in craftkings especially since I was there when he first joined the clan and welcomed him so openly. shame guys... shame

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mGGDaedalus:

How do you know they knew he was a hacker when he joined?

[TAEdgE]

Originally Posted by TCPDeathWing

I think it is very very very sad to see that some of these hackers are actually in clans! I am also very disappointed in craftkings especially since I was there when he first joined the clan and welcomed him so openly. shame guys... shame

You can never be sure who is a hacker.. there could be a hacker in your clan, or there could be one in mine. These are just the ones who are caught.

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iVnStinger:

Very very true

[iVnStinger]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

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edit: just watched the replay through, It's quite interesting that someone who's hacking on a friends account goes to extraordinary efforts to conceal it up until the absolutely ridiculous Mo ship snipe in the 25th minute...

You're blatant. You're lying. You're a douche.

extra edit: You lost the game too.... appalling

Was this really necessary?

[FaDeBadger]

Originally Posted by iVnStinger

Was this really necessary?

The first two while not necessarily true are what people are going to think. The third, is his opinion. May not have been necessary to state, but it's his to do with as he sees fit.

[Fourby]

I have obtained a replay of myself (WillChen) playing against the friend who hacked on my account (he is using iVnFictioN because he does not want his account to be known)
http://www.sc2sea.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=705
hope this clears everything up

Wait, he doesnt want his account to be known??? does this mean this replay was made AFTER? the accusations? how the f*** would this be valid? hurp durp "Just dont play how you usually play so we can send this replay kk?"

Everything seems so shady and dodgey from this guy. like the whole 'not having enough time' to upload the rest of the replays. you can upload 3 but dont have time to upload 2 more 50kb files? rlly?

btw lzq (not izq ), doesnt the images from sc2 gears show that the account player 'willchen' is more similar? thats what it looks like to me :S

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wTlzq:

+1 for that L :D

[wTlzq]

Originally Posted by Fourby

btw lzq (not izq ), doesnt the images from sc2 gears show that the account player 'willchen' is more similar? thats what it looks like to me :S

In that 3rd image, Fiction stated that he let his "friend" play on his account, thats why the names are switched. SC2GEARS matches the names in the replay to the graph automatically. So in the 3rd image, iVnFiction is using the account "WillChen"

edit: @Fourby, we requested that Fiction play against his fren as he claimed that his friend used his account to hack. But from the SC2Gears image its clear that his fren DO NOT use the same hotkey as the hacker.

[Sola]

Originally Posted by iVnStinger

Was this really necessary?

You have to realise a lot of people will have this opinion and a fair few will voice it. Hackers are a complete time waste to people who log on to enjoy the game and try and compete to beat their opponent. When a honest player puts all his work into trying to figure out the opponent and play the game fairly only to realise that the other player might of been a hacker, it's a shitty feeling and it's nothing but a time waste for the player thay plays within the rules.

I think words like these are necessary, I would of used harsher if I had posted first.

[FaDeBadger]

Originally Posted by lzq

In that 3rd image, Fiction stated that he let his "friend" play on his account, thats why the names are switched. SC2GEARS matches the names in the replay to the graph automatically. So in the 3rd image, iVnFiction is using the account "WillChen"

edit: @Fourby, we requested that Fiction play against his fren as he claimed that his friend used his account to hack. But from the SC2Gears image its clear that his fren DO NOT use the same hotkey as the hacker.

To add to this, the last image shows that WillChen has the same hotkey usage as the hacker. His friend, who was playing on iVnFictioN clearly does not. Congrats on outing yourself as the hacker? I guess?

[iVnStinger]

@Frosty
No, no they were not necessary. Someone hacked, they made a mistake. Does not give you the right to call them douchebags especially since you were not the one who got hacked. I say we all just relax and go with what I propsed. There is no need for rage. Heck, even the person who got hacked in the game himself was very clam and nice about it.

[Sc2Clare]

i am so diappointed in willchen i am so ashamed that he or his friend has done this sort of thing. hacking is always a no-no. will have to wait for the verdict and our manager, Domo to see what happens. if he is really confirmed to be hacking, i sincerely apologize to you guys on his behalf TT

[Sola]

Even though I haven't called him anything, I don't need to be personally hacked by a person in order to express my opinion on what I think of him.

His actions gave anyone who plays fairly the right to do so.

[iVnStinger]

Originally Posted by Frosty85

Even though I haven't called him anything, I don't need to be personally hacked by a person in order to express my opinion on what I think of him.

His actions gave anyone who plays fairly the right to do so.

No no I didn't mean you said anything, I'm just saying it wouldn't be fair for anyone to publicly say bad things about another person for something they have done to another person.

[Sola]

Originally Posted by iVnStinger

No no I didn't mean you said anything, I'm just saying it wouldn't be fair for anyone to publicly say bad things about another person for something they have done to another person.

I know you didn't mean I said anything.
We just disagree on the second point, that's all.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by iVnStinger

@Frosty
No, no they were not necessary. Someone hacked, they made a mistake. Does not give you the right to call them douchebags especially since you were not the one who got hacked. I say we all just relax and go with what I propsed. There is no need for rage. Heck, even the person who got hacked in the game himself was very clam and nice about it.

You're a douchebag too for having this stupid opinion. Your clanmate hacked. Brought your entire clan into disrepute and you're sitting here arguing as to whether I should have called him a douchebag or not...

Get your priorities right. He lied to you too.

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iVnStinger:

No sir, you have no real way of proving that. That is why we are discussing it right now. It could've been his friend. And one member on my team could've possibly hacked, does not mean my whole team is bad.

[Nemo]

Well Rockstar, stop insulting people please, especially the guys that did not map hack. It doesn't help to anything and it lessen the dignity of this serious subject.

I watched the 3 replays. The 2 ZvZ are not interesting. But I quite recognize the same pastern of nearly no scouting at all while you drone in the ZvP.

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iVnStinger:

[Snx.Mufasa]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Your clanmate hacked. Brought your entire clan into disrepute

I fail to see how that makes any sense at all?

iVn is a new team, with new players... regardless of that fact how were iVn meant to know he/whoever hacked in the first place?

Any player could potentially 'hack'... I don't see how incidents like this should effect the reputation of teams, especially new ones.

[iVnStinger]

Originally Posted by ggMufasa

I fail to see how that makes any sense at all?

iVn is a new team, with new players... regardless of that fact how were iVn meant to know he/whoever hacked in the first place?

Any player could potentially 'hack'... I don't see how incidents like this should effect the reputation of teams, especially new ones.

I agree completely. One person hacking does not mean the whole team is bad. I just feel like everyone is more interested in pointing fingers and calling people names rather than discussing the situation. Imagine how it feels for me to know that one of my players hacked, or his friends did and now people think that my whole team is crap just because of one members mistake. It is unfair. When EvetS hacked, he admitted it and it was on him, not FaDe. The same should apply for us.

All I ask is that we don't just try to look of ways to prove him guilty, but help try to prove him innocent as well if possible. If I were in his position, that is all I would want.

[AxSGRiM]

I'm masters and I only hotkey my nexi.

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FlashVeno:

so do i !