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Scope_IV · Thu, 19th-Jan-2012, 10:08 PM

Hey guys, I was playing a game on ladder and I came across this zerg. Throughout the game there was some pretty sus things he did i will outline them all below with timings for the replay. I'm not sure what to do about this but i feel it was pretty sus and i would like your opinion on it

http://drop.sc/94953

1) He never scouts, doesn't spread overlords out and never sends lings or anything to get information.
2) I did a FFE into double stargate phoenix, he went straight to hydra off 3 base- very risky but not super sus or anything but with the huge amount of not scouting I very well could have been doing a 7 gate timing push and won.
3) At the time 23:33 he looks straight at my nexus where he has no vision off, also where the mothership is buildling
4) he then preceeds to go up to the top left hand corner and waits right until the mothership is about to pop to fly in.
5) the whole time he had control of his corruptors starring at them like he was waiting for the mothership to come out. At the time of 24:12 through to 24:27 where he snipes the mothership.

Thanks

Looking forward to your feedback

Scope

FvRphoneheha · Thu, 19th-Jan-2012, 10:23 PM

OK, I've looked at the fiction replay.

1) Never scouting is bad, but doesn't necessarily mean hacking. He does do the normal overlord to the right. Not really suspicious.
2) As you say, weird strats (Hydra off 3 base) are suspicious, but that's not enough reason to suggest hacking. Not really suspicious.
3) Yep, happens to be the nexus which you were building the mothership from. However, he could plausibly be looking at your base to remind himself what tech you have. Done it myself before. Not really suspicious.
4) Ok, gets a bit weird here. Still, plausible that he could be planning to fly through, see if any colossi/motherships are sitting idle.
5) Ok, THIS IS SUSPICIOUS. He spends like, a good 5 seconds waiting, not moving the screen, until the mothership pops. THIS IS SUSPICIOUS.

I'd wait for more opinions, but based PURELY on point 5, I'd say he's hacking. Doesn't look like he got lucky, it looks like he has production tab hack and WAITED till the mothership popped, and kept camera on corrupters so as not to miss the timing...

My opinion: Hacker

Edit: Oh wow you won? Congrats! Though his cringe-worthy handling of the warp prism harass and poor unit composition choices almost make me wonder if he wasn't hacking... Or maybe he was just that bad/trying to hide his villainy >.<

TAEdarus · Thu, 19th-Jan-2012, 10:41 PM

1. Got hydras up before much else. Quite odd.
2. Looking at the Nexus, while it could have been "checking tech", was odd.
3. Watching the ruptors in a random location near a Nexus he should have thought was dead then waltzing in AS the mothership popped and killing it... Decisive for me.

Verdict: Maphax

ROOT`iaguz · Thu, 19th-Jan-2012, 10:42 PM

Get more replays. You're going to need more then just one.

**Nemo** · Thu, 19th-Jan-2012, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by xGKingiaguz

Get more replays. You're going to need more then just one.

Not compulsory. If one replay is incriminating enough, the guy might be placed on the black list just with that. Btw, what are your own conclusions about the replay ?

Scope_IV · Thu, 19th-Jan-2012, 11:13 PM

Well, from being in the match i wasn't too concerned about anything until he sniped my mothership. When he flew in right when it popped alarm bells rang. He made a lot of mistakes and some things that i would have thought somebody hacking would do like intercept the warp prism and such he didn't do. From looking over the replay many times and showing my friends and asking for their input i feel that he was indeed hacking.

**iMSystem** · Thu, 19th-Jan-2012, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Nemo

Not compulsory. If one replay is incriminating enough, the guy might be placed on the black list just with that. Btw, what are your own conclusions about the replay ?

Having more replays proving this stuff eliminates coincidence and flukes.

Sure there might be some blatant stuff, but unless its 200% clear, then you will need more replays

That's just how it is

Scope_IV · Thu, 19th-Jan-2012, 11:25 PM

Well, I would love to have more replays but I have only played him once :S I was hoping that maybe other people had played him but that is cool. I understand that with accusations must come large amounts of evidence.

crAzerk · Thu, 19th-Jan-2012, 11:30 PM

I'll have a quick look

What league is he in btw?

1) The build is a weird one , but his droning is not optimal either. Thus doesn't say anything much, just that he doesn't know his openers well.
He doesn't glance into fog or whatever, and his reactions to your SG weren't immediate (e.g. putting down an evolution chamber upon seeing your SG) This is assuming he uses some Production tab hack, because he never glances at your base.

2) ~9 mins he loses his OL to your phoenix, doesn't even pull OLs back when your Phoenix are out.

3) No pre-emptive Hydra placement to your Phoenix harass

4) 23:33 You are right that Mothership snipe is HIGHLY sus. In fact, it's plain retard, there's no other explanation for doing that.

Putting him on 'Suspected hackers' list, until I get the green light to 'promote' him to confirmed hacker.

Guys, watch the replay, just skip to 23:33 and watch from there onwards. There's no 'fluke' or 'coincidence' or 'luck' in that move, it's pretty blatant - He moves his Corruptors into the main base of the Protoss for no apparent reason , which was perfectly timed for the popping out of the Mothership.

Scope_IV · Thu, 19th-Jan-2012, 11:37 PM

He is in high diamond. I am in low/mid masters somewhere around there.

Yeah nothing really seemed that hackerish when I was playing until the mothership bit. That bit really freaked me out and made me watch the replay after.

iVnStinger · Thu, 19th-Jan-2012, 11:54 PM

Ok, as I haven't spoken to FictioN yet I can't tell you guys anything at the moment. I'm sorry if I might come off as biased in the discussion as he is my own member but for now all I can say is that I have to agree the thing at 23.33 is pretty suspicious... I will talk to him tommorow to get more details.

**Maynarde** · Fri, 20th-Jan-2012, 12:26 AM

Kalikah was laddering as

as she does today on stream. She came up against a guy called "CCKPUNCHER". When she popped as a

, and he types "hello zerg"

.........

Checked profile after the game, not a single 1v1 loss in the past few weeks and 20+ wins recently. If you come accross this dick, report his hackin' ass and get him banned from our precious ladder.

Proof: http://www.twitch.tv/kalikah/b/305931431?t=16m42s

EveVendetta · Fri, 20th-Jan-2012, 3:45 AM

Regarding the fiction case, I disagree with iaguz and system. I don't see any need to provide more replays. 1 replay is sufficient as long as the action is conclusive. The perfect timing of sniping the mothership and just waiting for it to pop is more than sufficient in my opinion.

Of course, it is up to you admins if you guys have set it as a ground rule!

Quick Comments

EveMassacrisM:

This is correct. People should stop wasting posts and f***ing watch the replay before making pointless comments.

**Apth** · Fri, 20th-Jan-2012, 5:21 AM

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Originally Posted by EveVendetta

Regarding the fiction case, I disagree with iaguz and system. I don't see any need to provide more replays. 1 replay is sufficient as long as the action is conclusive. The perfect timing of sniping the mothership and just waiting for it to pop is more than sufficient in my opinion.

Of course, it is up to you admins if you guys have set it as a ground rule!

On the evidence of a single replay, one could still argue his actions are coincidental.

Two at least.

**Nemo** · Fri, 20th-Jan-2012, 6:27 AM

We have watched the replay with Apth : http://fr.twitch.tv/nemoulysses/b/305969359

We are pretty convinced it's Map Hacking. Apth would still want another replay to be 100% sure. For me it's enough proof. Without explanations, the guy should go to the Black List.

WillChen · Fri, 20th-Jan-2012, 7:53 AM

Hey guys, I am the owner of the account 'iVnFictioN' and I admit it was hacking after looking at the replay, however it was not me playing on the account. That night I was at a friends place and played one or two games on the account before giving it over to one of my friends to play on before I went to get something to eat with a group of friends. This is when I believe he thought to himself 'oh it's not my account so lets have some fun with hacks'. Anyway I will fully accept any punishment as I should've known better than to leave my account on (he has previously hacked in CS), and sorry for any inconvenience this has caused, especially to scope who was in that game
EDIT: and i have asked my friend and he admits that he was hacking on my account

**Nemo** · Fri, 20th-Jan-2012, 8:14 AM

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Originally Posted by WillChen

Hey guys, I am the owner of the account 'iVnFictioN' and I admit it was hacking after looking at the replay, however it was not me playing on the account. That night I was at a friends place and played one or two games on the account before giving it over to one of my friends to play on before I went to get something to eat with a group of friends. This is when I believe he thought to himself 'oh it's not my account so lets have some fun with hacks'. Anyway I will fully accept any punishment as I should've known better than to leave my account on (he has previously hacked in CS), and sorry for any inconvenience this has caused, especially to scope who was in that game
EDIT: and i have asked my friend and he admits that he was hacking on my account

WillChen, I know it's hard to admit to maphacking, but if you did it yourself, better to change your version now before 10 people come with replay showing you hacking.

If not, just give your last 10 replays (made before the first accusation) (and all of them, we will check in your history) so we can check that you were not hacking and it was indeed your friend.

But believe me it's 100 times better for you to tell the truth right now.

Quick Comments

	FvRphoneheha:	Yep, if it's your mate understood, but if it was you come clean early rather than get caught
	EveVendetta:	heard that kinda story too many times before