[Peleus]

Originally Posted by nirvAnA

To let you guys know just for moderation of the "SEAL registration thread" which got derailed by the "SEA eligibility discussion", i had to move all the relevant posts into a separate thread. this means i had to re-read through the content of every post, to make sure it was about the right topic, and manually click the tick box for each post (over 100 posts) over 15 pages. It was alot of thankless, extra work and we already do this voluntary out of all own time and this adds to the workload. that was also why i was against letting threads derail at any moment for the sake of 100% transparency, which in the first place it didnt happen much.

I agree it's extra work for the moderation team, and within reason this must be controlled. However let's play devils advocate and say instead we simply deleted comments that were off topic? I'd say arguably the discussion about SEA eligibility wouldn't have happened where I think a fair few minds were changed on a perspective, arguably I wouldn't have posted the SEA esports growth thread which was along a similar theme, and we also wouldn't have had a lot of great idea's that were produced as a community. If, however the amount of work becomes unmanageable I think it's personally reasonably to put a mod note (doesn't even need to be an infraction) on the first post you think is derailing / the few afterwards and say please keep this thread on topic, create a new topic to discuss this issue.

this also means that all dirty laundry will be aired publicly which i am against as well as something needs just need to be settled privately, especially personal differences. TL certainly did not have to witness what happened and every time someone makes a thread that would lead in direction it stays undeleted and transparent and every disagreement is aired for all to see which i think is a step in the wrong direction.

I actually to a certain extent disagree here. I'm not trying to go along these lines saying there is any problem with the moderation team, but there has to be an acknowledgement that both parties need to want to discuss it in private, and if someone wants to air things publicly it will happen. There will always be difficulties in discussing things, especially when one party in a disagreement has moderation powers and the other does not. If posts are deleted then one party feels like they cannot get their view out and will pursue any other public means of discussion they can. That environment was created, and thats why deth posted on TL, but I'm not commenting on whether that is right or wrong.

If these disagreements are aired in the open (with a level of civility that is reasonable for mods to maintain) then at least the community can put pressure on anyone who is being unreasonable and stuff is kept in house.