[TABjornbrandr]

Originally Posted by FaDeBadger

By that same token I can refute everything you just said by having a different definition of bm. This is exactly why people don't agree on things like no gg or no glhf as being bm or not.

90% of my games I don't gl hf because it's simply not true, I don't want them to be lucky or have fun. I'm playing the game for me and solely for me. If I win, or lose but still think it's a good game, I will gg (note: I don't mean offensive gg I mean in response to theirs). But I'm not going to throw out a meaningless pleasantry just because it might be seen as rude if I don't.

I'm not saying that's my definition of BM, I'm saying that someone could construe the term "bad mannered" in that way and as such perceive a large portion of the responses in this thread as supporting "bad manners".
If you're wondering what I actually think, I'd be more inclined to say that saying 'hfgl' and 'gg' are good mannered, but not saying them isn't necessarily bad mannered, but rather a personal choice.

[ZergGirl]

Originally Posted by FaDeBadger

Not that it makes any difference to the conversation but I'm 23. Why should I 'show' respect to some random scrub on the ladder when in actual fact I probably have none. I don't care if they think I'm the rudest person they've ever played against, good for them.

For the record, I don't say please or thank you in real life unless I mean it, why should Starcraft be any different?

I see it as 'shaking hands' before a game.
GG to me is just admitting defeat to the better player on the day.

It doesn't bother me, but it isn't nice to snub people.
(not you personally, just in general)

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Bugalugs McScruffin:

ZergGirl gets being mannered. :)

[FaDeBadger]

Originally Posted by ZergGirl

I see it as 'shaking hands' before a game.
GG to me is just admitting defeat to the better player on the day.

It doesn't bother me, but it isn't nice to snub people.
(not you personally, just in general)

I understand how people see it that way, I'm just saying that I don't. If it's a tournament game I'll gg, glhf, whatever cause it's different to ladder.

If it is ladder, I couldn't care at all and will do it as and when I see fit.

[Zanderax]

I'd just like to point out that people have said they don't respect the other person if they win off me screwing up. In the entire history of Starcraft. Nobody has played a perfect game. It's impossible. The winner is the person that makes the least/best mistakes.

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Bugalugs McScruffin:

If I screw up they still win.

[TASlowHands]

The most annoying thing for me is Terran floating buildings around and not leaving games and general building hatches/pylons everywhere. Otherwise BM is funny as hell.

I am always respectful of my opponents, I do rage but do so privately or with people irl who find my rage amusing. Having said that the second someone abuses me online or cries op then I go into full BM troll mode and just verbally rip shreads out of their playstyle and idiocy. I only BM people that start it.

[RicocheT]

BM for me, might mutter a few words in game, but besides that I normally glhf at the start of each game.
If I'm pissed off when I lose (which is pretty much everytime I lose), I leave without GGing. Hate losing.
Anyway, it's too much effort in BMing someone. Rather go watch/analyse the replay and see how I lost instead of raging at some random dude's playstyle.

[Nemo]

Originally Posted by ZergGirl

You'd be amazed at what can and can't hurt you.

Indeed.

It was unfortunately popular among assholes at a certain time to say "Die" or "I hope your mother dies of cancer", right at the beginning of a game (or after) before cheesing you to disturb you, or just "for fun".

The best friend of my son, who is 12 years old and is playing SC2 with him, have in fact his mother affected with non-curable cancer for real. So when one bastard says that online, I think about this poor kid that must have heard it regularly too and I report him systematically and warning him I do : "Real live threat => report". Generally they stop BMing like that immediately and I'm pretty sure they stop for a moment for the next games.

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mGGDaedalus:

Cleaning up the streets one nerd at a time

[biogenie]

Just got BM-ed pretty hard...

ZvZ as you all know is a pretty high apm all action COIN FLIP style.. And I know its embarrassing for a "plat/dia" level player to miss his rally into your opponent's base but come on it happens...

The player went on to say: Smart Rally B!TCH time for me to clear your brains out.

Oh guess what he went roach where I went quick expand, into Roach Ling timing... And he went Mutas..... LawL i guess... To beat him.. is sweet.. but he went on saying sh!t... I wish there was a mute button for chat..

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ZergGirl:

'Clear your brains out' sounds like a line from a cheesy porno.

[Rythos]

Originally Posted by biogenie

I wish there was a mute button for chat..

Just in case you're unaware, there is a button to ignore other players if you bring up the message log screen during a game. Probably not exactly what you're after, but at least you can shut someone up if they start being an idiot during a match.

[TASlowHands]

Originally Posted by biogenie

Just got BM-ed pretty hard...

ZvZ as you all know is a pretty high apm all action COIN FLIP style.. And I know its embarrassing for a "plat/dia" level player to miss his rally into your opponent's base but come on it happens...

The player went on to say: Smart Rally B!TCH time for me to clear your brains out.

Oh guess what he went roach where I went quick expand, into Roach Ling timing... And he went Mutas..... LawL i guess... To beat him.. is sweet.. but he went on saying sh!t... I wish there was a mute button for chat..

Lol, dont worry about that douche. I've had opponents in masters lead a drone charge at me because they misrallied before, shit happens. For the record there is a mute button hit F11 and then click a box in the bottom left I think. I do it if someone is hardcore BM right at the start because I wanna focus on the game

[FvRsolis]

I always GG, even if it is cheese and especially if my cheese fails.

But I bm gg and I do smack talk if the person won't leave when I've clearly won (i.e I've killed 2 bases and he turtles in his main at like 15 minutes)... but other than that, I don't really bm.

[syfChase]

A couple of times I've had players say absolutely nothing within the game, and after I beat them they just go Afk until I've wiped out all of their buildings. It's very annoying @_@

[Loach]

In team games - BM is necessary... If i BM them.. they get mad at me and charge at me without coordination and we crush them.. all u have to do is get them talking - this works all the way to master league players in team (master team = ~ bronze 1v1)

In 1v1: Sure people might consider some things "bm".. but this whole prolonging the game argument.. if u float ur buildings or hide structures when there is no chance of a comeback, then its BM.. but if you're doing it because u went for a base race and managed to slip out, that's not BM that's quick thinking.. and I don't think there is any "proloning the game" if you're on the winning side... you're not forcing your opponent to stay in the game, they are free to leave at any point..... who waits until their entire base is destroyed before leaving? I know I dont..

"GG": 90%+ of games don't end in a gg anymore, does that mean all those people have BM? Or does it just mean that typing gg doesn't mean anything.. as far as the "it means I surrender".. no it doesnt, leaving the game does...

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by FaDeBadger

I don't think no gg is bm. If I don't feel like it was a good game, then I don't gg. Manner hatches/pylons/nexus whatever is also not bm as far as I am concerned. And as Potthead said, I think it would be considered bm of you if you are still in the game with only one building.

People put too much emphasis on bm. It's a game, they are a person potentially on the other side of the world. Who gives a shit if they think you played bad or want to rage. People need to harden the **** up and get over it.

What he said.

[Xara]

I usually don't BM, but it does sometimes happen if I'm having a bad day, and is more prone to happen whenever I get stuck playing a ZvZ or RvR (You don't want to see when my RvRs roll ZvZs.)

I've also had it happen to me in the past, though strangely less recently, mostly just half of all the people I beat leaving without a gg.

All of the following I've had happen before.

Originally Posted by ToRZanderax

BM when they lose:
- Insults/Raging/Swearing
- Not leaving the game eg. floating buildings/making extrators or pylons when you have no army
- No GG
- Reporting you to Blizzard for no reason (I've had it happen before)

BM when they win
- Manner actions eg Building Hatches in your main, setting up pylons all in your base.
- Prolonging the game needlessly
- Offensive GGing (saying gg when you're pretty sure you've won, before your opponent gg's)

Most of the rage that was directed at me before usually included insults against my race (Random) and how it supposedly has an imbalanced intel advantage.

Though I do remember a game where I played Terran and used the high-ground Watchtowers on Nerazim Crypt to station Tanks up there and blow away the unsuspecting Zerg army below. Opponent immediately stated they were going to report me for maphacking and leaves the game in a fit of rage. Fun stuff.

Also no one seems to know how to offensive gg correctly. Half of the offensive gg's I get are from positions that I could (and have) actually fight back against, and there have been times where I was stuck in a unwinnable position, but then they threw the gg and got complacent, allowing me to catch back up.

Originally Posted by ToRZanderax

"I'm masters on my NA"

From my experience on the NA ladder in comparison to what I've seen and heard of the SEA/KR ladder, this seems to be more of an insult to yourself than to the opponent.

[TASlowHands]

Haha I had a classic last night.

''Your micro is shit but congrats anyway, ggwp.''

I just whispered him after ''im chatting with mates irl, on an account I dont care about and I really need a poo and yet you still lost to my micro''

NA server of course