[deL]

Originally Posted by tgun

Congratulations to both the guys flying over: well deserved. I'm actually really dissapointed TargA couldn't go

Who are you, and what have you done with tgun?

Originally Posted by HelloHello

My apologies for the previous comment made. There was no malice behind it, nor did I personally, or on behalf of anyone, intend to threaten or provoke a physical conference (although, that was the message I now see that was portrayed). I wish the 2 Australian's that do fly over the best of luck.

Who are you, and what have you done with zanooku?

[[TA]LoSt]

Originally Posted by EdgE

it was the ******* fact you were like 'hahaha give a shit' after we explained the situation as well, not that you did it...

Well ****** say that then, don't say 'who did it when we said not to'. Because you just named me specifically and untruthfully said I did it after you said not to..

What a ****** joke.. Explaining the situation consisted of you laughing and saying it was pissing him off, without any back story other than 'I've said it on chat like 3 times now'. That was again after I'd already said it the first and only time, and I just assumed it would be taken as light heartedly as the context in which I said it, which is why I said who gives a shit because in all honesty I thought Dox would take it as a joke when I said it and didn't realise the impact it actually had.. I thought you were all just making it out to be worse than it actually was.

The fact you name dropped me is ******* retarded, try shift the blame for you being a **** all you want, I forgot how much you wanted to be liked and viewed as an important member that would never do anything wrong.

[deL]

TROUBLE IN PARADISE~!

This is probably something to settle on TS or PM guys.

[Nemo]

Originally Posted by HelloHello

Originally Posted by HelloHello
RevenantLover / TargA, whatever you want to call youself.
Just remember one thing...
You're an awful long way from home, without anyone by your side, in a very different country.
I'll be surrounded by hundreds of AZK minions.
Just a friendly warning, be careful with your actions.

Originally Posted by HelloHello

My apologies for the previous comment made. There was no malice behind it, nor did I personally, or on behalf of anyone, intend to threaten or provoke a physical conference (although, that was the message I now see that was portrayed). I wish the 2 Australian's that do fly over the best of luck.

There was malice behind those coments and it was a physical threat so your apologies are void as you don't admit your faults.

I didn't have a clear opinion about you before this. I supposed you were racist since KJH seemed quite sincere when he accused you of making racist insults, but with no certitude.

Now that you have physically threatened Targa in such a disgusting fashion ("You're an awful long way from home", "just a friendly warning", etc.), I have a clearer opinion about you and I do understand why everyone here hate you.

From you're interview, like Nirvana, I still think you could still change. But that won't be without work from your part and a serious discussion with a reference from the community (Light for example, since he made the interview) about your attitude to others.

Until you do that, I can't see any way you could be part of this community and any reason why any identified new account from you should be awarded any new chance.

Nirvana was right about believing that people can change. But you haven't even expressed the will to change and obviously that's becoming even worse now with physical threats toward such an appreciated member of the community.

I think AZK master told once on the chat you had a last chance. For me you just have wasted it now. It's either time for you to make that work on yourself or for them to expel you.

Edit : By the while, congratulations to Rossi and Targa for their impressive tournament. Best of luck to Rossi and Yoon !

Edit 2 : Fucked up my rep to Zanooku. I wanted to give rep. ><

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[TAEdgE]

Originally Posted by [TA]LoSt

Well ****** say that then, don't say 'who did it when we said not to'. Because you just named me specifically and untruthfully said I did it after you said not to..

What a ****** joke.. Explaining the situation consisted of you laughing and saying it was pissing him off, without any back story other than 'I've said it on chat like 3 times now'. That was again after I'd already said it the first and only time, and I just assumed it would be taken as light heartedly as the context in which I said it, which is why I said who gives a shit because in all honesty I thought Dox would take it as a joke when I said it and didn't realise the impact it actually had.. I thought you were all just making it out to be worse than it actually was.

The fact you name dropped me is ******* retarded, try shift the blame for you being a **** all you want, I forgot how much you wanted to be liked and viewed as an important member that would never do anything wrong.

10charrrrrr

[TAEdgE]

Everyone has seen the video of ziek at the LAN, everyone knows what he's like. Theres no maliciousness in what he says to me anymore. Talking to targa he was just trying to joke around, in a pretty weird way considering his stance in the community, and i think most of us are just taking him too seriously. I'm all for someone changing and being in the community.. i've had people who I thought were a certain way turn out completely different and it has always made things better.

ZanooKu didn't realise that people legitimately didn't like him for so long, and you have to remember he is young. He may have been the biggest dick to everyone, including me, but he is young. He'll always have some semblence of how he has been, but looking at his apology, who the **** would expect him to ever do that? He looks legit there to me at least. I can't speak for everyone, since i hate hostility and always want to forgive, although i come off as someone who may be more of a dick, i like to be on good terms with people, but just leave him be for a bit. He's done really bad things and said really bad shit, but just let him try once more.

I don't know, just put yourself in his shoes. If he legimitately wants to change, he's going to know that some people out there will always hate him and will always be skeptical of him, but he's still been a huge dick so i'm not expecting him to stay changed.

Also, targa did start the shit talking, but zanooku if you read this dont say shit about getting friends to help you. It's ******* gay. That's a wog stereotype and mocked for good reason - it makes you look worse. Targa told me you pmed him the same thing, so seriously, wise up and fuckin stay away from threatening people.

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	wolf:	+100 if i could.
	nirvAnA:	i love this mature perspective of yours.

[TAminimat]

Can't excuse what he has done just because he is young.. I'm younger than him and there are quite a few people on here even younger than me who would never say anything that Zanooku does/has/whatever. Some people are just ******* stupid.

[TAEdgE]

Originally Posted by TAminimat

Can't excuse what he has done just because he is young.. I'm younger than him and there are quite a few people on here even younger than me who would never say anything that Zanooku does/has/whatever. Some people are just ******* stupid.

You can't excuse what he has done because he is young yes, because there is so much he is done, but before you write people off as a human being like everyone likes to do - yes people are ******* stupid, but do you think people stay the same for their whole life? In Brood War i had no idea i was being as cocky and annoying as i was to some people, but i've realised it and it makes me feel terrible thinking about it. Imagine if he finally came down to earth from where he was and realised he's been 20x as bad as that? He's gonna be himself but he's going to want to be in the community.

[TAminimat]

Didn't say he couldn't, wouldn't or wont change I'm just saying that being young isn't an excuse. We don't even know if he has some sort of social impairment that causes him to act in the way he does.

[TAEdgE]

Originally Posted by TAminimat

Didn't say he couldn't, wouldn't or wont change I'm just saying that being young isn't an excuse. We don't even know if he has some sort of social impairment that causes him to act in the way he does.

OK, i'll change the wording then. Being young is a catalyst for why he acts how he does. Young people are different - Young people are hard ***** who drink at early ages and think the best game is Modern Warfare 3. Young people could also be socially inept and play video games all day and get high grades in school. Young people could be in between that. Everyone is different. I've changed a lot in 3 years, and the ability to change and admit faults is one of the qualities that i admire the most, so i probably am too lenient posting this shit, but when i see little things he does different, i take that as a big thing when you put in context what he has said to people. Hell, he's called me a ******* shit zerg and said to deL why am i on the Australian team, but i don't care.

[HuT]

Originally Posted by TAminimat

Can't excuse what he has done just because he is young.. I'm younger than him and there are quite a few people on here even younger than me who would never say anything that Zanooku does/has/whatever. Some people are just ******* stupid.

I've pissed a fair few people off, including a number of TA members, shit that gets said during games that is basically shit-talking but at the end of the day, apologising is the only thing you can really do.

Having spent most of my time at WCG Brisbane with Zanooku, he's a cool guy. He talks shit, he fucks around, he takes shit too far, hell, he even used to troll me.. and he turned out to be one of the nicest guys I spoke to at WCG.

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	deL:	no he just got scared irl

[LIONsSaKs]

Great job Dox. Really enjoy your casting style and look forward to catching more in the future!

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Dox:

Thanks! <3

[Nemo]

Originally Posted by EdgE

Everyone has seen the video of ziek at the LAN, everyone knows what he's like. Theres no maliciousness in what he says to me anymore. Talking to targa he was just trying to joke around, in a pretty weird way considering his stance in the community, and i think most of us are just taking him too seriously. I'm all for someone changing and being in the community.. i've had people who I thought were a certain way turn out completely different and it has always made things better.

ZanooKu didn't realise that people legitimately didn't like him for so long, and you have to remember he is young. He may have been the biggest dick to everyone, including me, but he is young. He'll always have some semblence of how he has been, but looking at his apology, who the **** would expect him to ever do that? He looks legit there to me at least. I can't speak for everyone, since i hate hostility and always want to forgive, although i come off as someone who may be more of a dick, i like to be on good terms with people, but just leave him be for a bit. He's done really bad things and said really bad shit, but just let him try once more.

I don't know, just put yourself in his shoes. If he legimitately wants to change, he's going to know that some people out there will always hate him and will always be skeptical of him, but he's still been a huge dick so i'm not expecting him to stay changed.

Also, targa did start the shit talking, but zanooku if you read this dont say shit about getting friends to help you. It's ******* gay. That's a wog stereotype and mocked for good reason - it makes you look worse. Targa told me you pmed him the same thing, so seriously, wise up and fuckin stay away from threatening people.

That's awesomely good Edge what you do.

I had no opinion about him before but even if Targa begun, when I saw the message of Zanooku I was really upset because it really meant to hurt and the threat was real.

From the video and from what you and Hut says, the lad could certainly be part of this community, but simply not with the attitude he has now, that's not possible, too many people will reject him with good reason.

I suggested him to have a tutor to get back in here. I think you should be that tutor since you beleive in him. Have a talk with him, talk to his teammates, fix him rules and community work as Del have done and then, when you think he's ready to behave correctly in here, ask Nirvana that one of his accounts be de-banned.

First thing he should stop those ninja accounts, that's simply irrespectfull for Moderators and not facing the consequences of his acts.

[dippa]

let's see how zanooku behaves from now on. it won't be hope that changes his behaviour, only evidence - although i'm with cam in wishing all the best for mr. ziek in his attempted reformation.

good zanooku hwaiting~