[Mezza]

basically the ladder system rewards consistent play
conversely, if the top players laid off for really long, and sitll mantained their ladder positions, how would the new players break into the scene and end up in the top 200 if they never got to p[lay the top dudes, there has to be some way to equalize it all.

therefore, they reward consistency (ie. ladder grinding), there ain't a perfect system but i guess in their eyes its fair.

[nirvAnA]

a guy in pinders blog commented on how the bonus pool is really an XP decay system, but reversed so pple don't feel mad for losing points or having their XP decay. sounds logical but it shouldnt be that much of decay/bonuspoints and it shouldnt be tied in to how players with high MMRs cannot not find games.

[ZergGirl]

I didn't want to be S-rank anyway....

[Dogsi]

Originally Posted by nirvAnA

a guy in pinders blog commented on how the bonus pool is really an XP decay system, but reversed so pple don't feel mad for losing points or having their XP decay. sounds logical but it shouldnt be that much of decay/bonuspoints and it shouldnt be tied in to how players with high MMRs cannot not find games.

I think the problem arises because they are mixing the ladder and MMR. Either use MMR to determine your rank OR use a point system to determine the difficulty of your opponent. They shouldn't be doing both.

[Dogsi]

what if you make diamond to quickly for it to accurately give you an mmr? I went 7-0 (5 placements, 2 plat matches) and got placed in a bottom tier diamond division.

[Xeen]

Originally Posted by mezza

basically the ladder system rewards consistent play
conversely, if the top players laid off for really long, and sitll mantained their ladder positions, how would the new players break into the scene and end up in the top 200 if they never got to p[lay the top dudes, there has to be some way to equalize it all.

therefore, they reward consistency (ie. ladder grinding), there ain't a perfect system but i guess in their eyes its fair.

The newer players wouldn't end up in the top 200 because they haven't achieved the same standard of play that that the top players had. If they did, they would pass the 'top' players that weren't playing. There's no issue about 'play the top dudes' because matchmaking is based on MMR which isn't factored into ranking whatsoever.

I'm not seeing the problem here.

Originally Posted by Dogsi

what if you make diamond to quickly for it to accurately give you an mmr? I went 7-0 (5 placements, 2 plat matches) and got placed in a bottom tier diamond division.

All the division does is add/subtract a different buffer of points - so in the end, the bliz top 200 is ranking everyone on the same scale without said adjustment.

If you win a lot and earn a lot of points, you'd have earned them in any division, and thus you'll move up. It's the displayed ranking that's being moderated iirc, not bliz's.

[Benji]

Also, look at these 2 divisions:

Feld Indigo: http://sc2ranks.com/div/15092/division-feld-indigo
Viking Rho: http://sc2ranks.com/div/18120/division-viking-rho

Rating wise, Viking Rho is significantly better in almost every respect, yet Feld Indigo is B-Rank (+126) and Viking Rho is E-Rank (+315).

/rant :P

[Xeen]

That's the point. When players were placed into Viking Rho, they received +315pts to their score relative to the players put in a +0 division. Players placed into Feld Indigo received +126. This is why Viking Rho members would appear to be 'deflated' in terms of how they place on the Blizzard top 200 compared to their visible score.

[yamite]

nGenLight is F-rank...lol

[TAEdgE]

Was easier to do than i thought (6 hours since i understood how to do it and all the concepts beforehand), just needed to wait for the top 200 to actually come out this week.

Glad it's promoting discussion .

[nGenLight]

Originally Posted by yamite

nGenLight is F-rank...lol

Without me my division would be absolutely dead... although seems like I can't carry my division =/

It is a little annoying that I need so many more points to get a higher rank... but I feel glad, and sympathize with the top tier players who just can't get any more points. If the ladder gets reset and MMR remains, how on earth are players like Azz going to earn any points?

[TAEdgE]

I think when it resets, the higher the MMR, the better off you are, i forgot how. That's why i'm trying not to lose alot .

[Unstable]

I think you will find divisions will be reset dependant on MMR rating hence the need for 1 placement match

[Xeen]

Originally Posted by nGenLight

Without me my division would be absolutely dead... although seems like I can't carry my division =/

It is a little annoying that I need so many more points to get a higher rank... but I feel glad, and sympathize with the top tier players who just can't get any more points. If the ladder gets reset and MMR remains, how on earth are players like Azz going to earn any points?

Well, to be fair, the extra points you need to be of the same rank as an A-div player are exactly the same as the extra points you got when you were placed in diamond. It's just a pain in the ass when you look at the whole thing a few months later. However, because the divisions are sorted so that whoever plays the most games should end up on top, it makes sense that you're miles ahead of the rest

Edge, from what I recall, having a high MMR means you'll end up getting more +20s after matches early on because of how MMR vs displayed rating is compared to determine your score, or something. I really can't remember either.

[cure]

Any way at all to determine your current mmr ?

[nGenLight]

I don't get it, I read somewhere that the first 100 players go into a division? I started out like 2 months after release. Kinda lame, because matchmaking of MMRs have nothing to do with divisions. But I guess the entire Top 200, Divisional rank and point system just makes you feel like steadily improving rather than seeing a not-so-fluctuating MMR.

I've got the mass gamer mentality as Nirvana described (adrenaline junky), but I think I'm improving at a steady pace, though probably not efficiently because I don't tackle it analytically all that often and just keep queueing games for the hell of it.

Kaz: I don't think Blizzard has released any data of that kind... I personally just compare it relatively to my peers.

[Whisky]

Originally Posted by Xeen

Well, to be fair, the extra points you need to be of the same rank as an A-div player are exactly the same as the extra points you got when you were placed in diamond. It's just a pain in the ass when you look at the whole thing a few months later. However, because the divisions are sorted so that whoever plays the most games should end up on top, it makes sense that you're miles ahead of the rest

Edge, from what I recall, having a high MMR means you'll end up getting more +20s after matches early on because of how MMR vs displayed rating is compared to determine your score, or something. I really can't remember either.

The system compares your displayed rating to your opponent's MMR, and vice versa for your opponent. So as games played tends towards infinity, your displayed rating will tend towards your MMR!

[Xeen]

Originally Posted by nGenLight

I don't get it, I read somewhere that the first 100 players go into a division?

From what I know, divisions aren't simply filled by 100 at a time (maybe at the start when there were less), but players are slotted into ranked divisions based on win/loss rate and maybe some other factors.

It's likely you ended up with a lower-tier division because of how many games you play, and that you probably had a lower winrate when you started out.

[nGenLight]

I got into diamond with 11-0. I blame good players like Bull and Ninpo in my division for being inactive!

[NvPinder]

tbh if anything for e-penis rights you're better off being in a F-rank division, you get more rating easier and whilst you have to 'get higher rating' to get on the top 200 list, it's still EXACTLY equal to what you'd have to do in any other division to get top 200, you just get to look like a baller with an easier atainable 3000 points or w/e.