[BaKaiNu]

Keep the post in this thread as a valid discussion that has no reference to any specific clan. If you have any trashtalk, bring it to the smacktalk thread. It hasn't been serving it's purpose for a long long time.

Thanks.

[JacziE]

I don't know what's wrong with deL using TA as an example, since it's his own experience with his own clan, which actually has players who are not diamond and above. He wants to provide an arena for low-level players to play as a team which is less "scary" and more fun vs. playing in a BSG which is more of a solo tournament.

Just a bit confused on how a simple thread can get derailed into something negative when it's just an idea/call to see if there was any interest. And if it was a "TA" ran, "TA" sponsored event, what's wrong with it? Should the Red Cross donate money and not say it's from them?

Sorry, but in the few times I do read the threads in this forums, I just get irked by the obvious negativity of a lot of people rather than working for the best for all.

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	deL:	Marry me.
	Maynarde:	If only more people had your mentality. Community would be an even better place!
	TAMrAnderson:	Amazing insight!
	TAEdgE:	Very nice zie (:

[hanzgruber]

jaczie pretty and smart

[crAzerk]

jaczie pretty and smart

If this was Twitter, I would retweet this

Anyway yup as I've said, I don't mind helping out in this if you require help.

[JacziE]

I should remind myself not to visit the forums, I just get so so personally affected. LOL. /brb away from forums again

[rezyn8]

deL I think this is a great idea. And its great to see a top clan putting some effort in to encourage players to get better without having to play GM/M ranked players. The few tournaments I have played have seen me matched against GM's in most cases (eg FaDe Open 3 v TARossi!).

I would like to see an option for clan-less BSG players to play in the tournament as well because not everyone has time to be a full member of a clan be it pro or social. Maybe I should just start up 'Team Random' for this type of tournament!

To the naysayers, why the conspiracy theories? Anything that aims to help improve players on SEA should be encouraged as it will strengthen the community - think of the big picture.

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TAMrAnderson:

Great vision!

[Volition]

I think this would be a great idea. yes there are possible issues (and they can be easily dealt with as noted), but the idea overall is great. If a BSG team league existed, i would be much more likely to join a BSG clan.

The BSG tournaments each weekend give us noobies something to look forward to each week, a reason to not become a spectator. So how can anyone possibly suggest that a BSG CL would be anything other than a good idea? thanks for thinking of us

[psygoh]

Anything that can get more people to enjoy Sc2 is a great idea imo

[nirvAnA]

I think that a BSG league will be a great idea to encourage lower league players to become more competitive and active. As baka has mentioned there are alot of BSG clans around, and in fact the majority of players (60% according to bnet?) are BSG.

The problems i could see with this is finding someone with the time to run it. del organises events well but he seems to have alot on his plate at the moment, with nation wars coming up in addition to his FXO/TA duties. Another problem would be most BSG players are not very active or willing to commit to a regular event, which is also a reason why they are in BSG in the first place, they simply don't have enough time to play the game so participation might be an issue.

With that being said, it has to be carried out in a very transparent manner to there isn't any smurfing(this will be HUGE if there are prizes at stake) or biasness to certain clans, and i think that was the main concern of benji, wanting to have a competition with a fair level playing ground, not that he was against the idea of having a BSG league. If its good for the whole community who wouldn't want it? sc2sea could certainly help throw in achievements, interviews for up coming players to look out for, posting the tournament regularly on the news page to remind people etc.

As for transparency, I don't want to go into the Team Australia selections to derail this thread but for the few qualifying spots I felt there should be at least 1 slot given to the winner of an open tournament instead of just having the pre-invite tournament for familiar faces. That way every Aussie would have felt they had the chance to represent Australia and would be more attached and support the team more, because even they could have had the chance to rep Australia if they won the tournament. Pringles for e.g is #1 on ladder and I believe he is kr who has been living in Australia for awhile, just that hes so low profile and detached from the community. I don't think he even has an sc2sea account or knows about us? Not many pple know him or if he's even Australian and these open tournies help these unknowns get noticed and who knows maybe develop into future assets to the team AU in the future.

Its a big reason why i always have at least a few slots for open tournaments in every event i run, from the SEASL to SEACL to the Singapore team selection which has 2 slots for open tournaments. Its because we don't know all the players who are Singaporean and also want to give a fair chance to everyone. Like last week i just learned keyersoze was from sg. At the end of the day i'm leaving it to the team managers to decide how they want to run their selections but this is my feedback.

[synchro]

Clan QED is very interested in the idea and have been currently talking about a bsg clan league within our own ranks to say the least.

+ [ read for opinion on controversial matters] +

As for the other issue of big fish in small pond... personally speaking, there are various factors and reasons why players stay bsg, some if not most have already been explained in this thread. From my standpoint as a member of our clan, we aim to improve and have fun. having monetary gain would be detrimental to the bsg players because they might want to stop improving and just keep winning in low leagues.

there are much more that the community can offer to bsg leagues to inspire the lower league players to improve ( ie: a feature page for a week/month/whatever on sc2sea.com or tutorial from masters/GM or something else like light-trolling the other clans..). Some just want to enjoy playing starcraft in an evironment that they see pro players play in, and that experience is something that they want to feel for themselves. We have been in a clan friendly against ToR without any actual prize except for pride on the line. Our side, and hopefully they too, have enjoyed it even without money involved. Regardless of whatever controvery, I think the general concesus of the good manner bsg clans just want to improve while having fun playing against each other without thinking of monetary gain until they they are good enough to even try earning from the game.

(smurfs may be an issue, but from a personal standpoint again, i see this not being a problem unless the clans don't control their players. should this happen, the said clan should be suspend if this league thing comes into fruition for a limited time. but from what i see, there's no point in smurfing bsg leagues just to win because the real bsg players will get to play against a better player. if they lose, at least they will learn something from that lost. it will be actually a bigger lost to that smurf if he should lose to someone supposedly weaker in skill than him.)

I'll check back on this every now and then, but as the creator and member of our clan I am hands down for a fun tourney!

[deL]

Feedback looks good guys, if anyone can help me get in touch with any of these clans:

ToR
nDL
LOS
QED
VB

It would be a big help - even if you just know the sc2sea ID of their leader. Regarding free agents I might get each of the teams if they are recruiting to write a blurb about their team and see if we can match up any of the clanless players with a recruiting team that shares their goals or ideas. That should also help bolster the rosters in case of the aforementioned issue of BSG players going inactive. With the CL lasting around a month it shouldn't be a HUGE issue and any players that do go inactive after 1-2 weeks should be handled by having enough replacement players in full rosters.

Once I get confirmation from the teams I will get a signup thread up, let the lesser known teams introduce themselves maybe and give a chance for free agents to express their interest. Can't guarantee everyone can play but we'll shoot for maximum participation! As for the prize, I think I might try and stay away from cash but perhaps something to spend the money on (paying for a group coaching session with an EG player or something, a professional team logo, team website, or something like that that will benefit the whole team) could work out - feel free to get creative with suggestions!

It's true I won't have time to run it all on my own 100% but I know I will be able to provide all of the coverage and I have had offers of help already in terms of overlooking the individual games. The rest is easy enough and shouldn't impact on my FXO duties!

I never play favourites in tournaments, even if my forum posts suggest otherwise sometimes.

[iMSystem]

I'm keen in helping making this work, as well as casting the event!

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nirvAnA:

[deL]

Originally Posted by System

I'm keen in helping making this work, as well as casting the event!

A caster would be great! I don't think many high-level players tune in to watch BSG events so seeing the viewers will mostly be lower ranked players I thought the cast could lean towards an educational aspect as well as the normal play-by-play.

It would be a challenge, but if you're up for it rather than using assumed knowledge like builds, strategies, unit counters or player decisions one of the caster/s could focus on teaching players what to do or what the players are doing right/wrong.

If you don't want to try this out don't worry about it but if you're keen to give it a shot swing me a PM for details!

[TAEdgE]

Not gonna bother reading the rest of the thread, but i love the idea. Gaming for passion.
If you want, i would like to help casting as a zerg analyst if you would like?

[VB_WhiplashJC]

<- (one of) VB's leaders.

How many players would we need to get on at the scheduled time?

We have 12 BSG members right now, could probably get a team of about 5 together on any given night given notice.

I've been intending to get added to the clan list here(seems a bit messy?) and start a recruiting thread, just haven't gotten around to it.

System does a pretty good job of casting the weekly BSG 1v1 tournament so I recon he'd do all right.

[deL]

Originally Posted by VB_WhiplashJC

<- (one of) VB's leaders.

How many players would we need to get on at the scheduled time?

We have 12 BSG members right now, could probably get a team of about 5 together on any given night given notice.

I've been intending to get added to the clan list here(seems a bit messy?) and start a recruiting thread, just haven't gotten around to it.

Sure mate 5 is enough, if we do the regular all-kill format that seems so popular then 4 is enough but even if we go with individual matches 4-5 is enough.

[|Erasmus|]

Talk to Spartaz about ToR (http://www.sc2sea.com/member.php?u=2254).

We can probably throw a team in there. Quite a few of us have gotten out of BSG now, but we've a few new members too, so I'm sure we still have enough players.

[synchro]

Suppose we get only 2-3 players per clan, with the clans numbering around 2-4. While this is almost impossible to happen, can we repair this dilemma at a moments notice? Probably so.

We can always change that certain week's tourney from one format to another, for example into a koth or on-the-spot made team vs another on-the-spot made team. Still, the scenario I mentioned should be hopefully rare in itself for this to be even considered, imo...

[deL]

Originally Posted by synchro

Suppose we get only 2-3 players per clan, with the clans numbering around 2-4. While this is almost impossible to happen, can we repair this dilemma at a moments notice? Probably so.

We can always change that certain week's tourney from one format to another, for example into a koth or on-the-spot made team vs another on-the-spot made team. Still, the scenario I mentioned should be hopefully rare in itself for this to be even considered, imo...

Sure not having enough players show up is a problem but if it's only 1 player then conceding 1 game as a walkover is no issue. If it's 2 or more we can sort something out.

I am hoping there will be a reasonable number of BSG free agents who would want to play in this and be motivated to look for a clan that suits them long-term because of it. That should mitigate it if it works out but personally it shouldn't be a huge issue.

[Azure]

Hey Del,

Would you also consider opening it up to plat level players as well?