[fray`Alpha]

As a couple other people have been saying, I agree that some archiving of the old House clans would be good at this point. I'd also suggest a straight up minimum amount of time that the clan has been around on sc2sea (as in their first clan thread or something) before being able to apply/join as in in house clan. 3-6 months or so. I think this sort of straight up rule would help weed out alot of the clans who wont be sticking around.

NairX iv had 2 cases of bm, one small one medium. But nothing major. Those have been my only real reactions with them so I don't have too much to say on them.

eMp I think at this point are pretty well deserving. I had a couple small instances with them at first that left me with a slightly negative opinion of them. But over time, and after more interaction with some of their players, I think they are doing well and adding to the SEA community and my opinion of them has definitely gone up.


IXL:

IXL I've always had very mixed feelings on. Some of the players I really like. I practice with and talk with them, some a little some alot. Others though, well I can completely understand why IXL has a bad rep. I find alot of the problem is what Editor N Chimp (one of the IXL members I feel I have a good relationship with btw) said. That basically the more vocal people from IXL also happen to be the more BM members. This means that the majority of the communities interaction with IXL players isn't great.

I can see why the admins wouldn't be keen on adding IXL as an in house clan when most of the interactions that members of the sc2sea community have with IXL players is this dumb bs. In the last few months, there has been less and less of these occurrences and I think that they have been doing well at starting to loose that BM rep (but the reactions by some of the IXL guys to this topic is enough to show how fast that can change). But the other side with fixing the reputation is although the BM has been cutting down, the IXL positive players havn't really been growing in the community. As EditorNChimp said, the IXL guys are feeling less keen on posting because of past behaviors, but by not being as active in the community, its harder for people to get over their past impressions of IXL's bm.

I can definitely see why sc2sea might be hesitant about adding IXL to the in house clan. Though I feel sorry for all the guys who aren't to blame on IXL, and for Runamok (who might get on my nerves at time but in general I would say is a good leader and a positive person to have in the scene), that they are being brought down from a smaller group of their members behaviors. I hope more of the people in the clan who don't act in that way get more involved in the sc2sea community. Once they do my vote (if we had one) would definitely be for them to join as a house clan. But as is with the more vocal coming from this group of players causing issues. I can't say I'd support them getting it as is.

Originally Posted by Av.Malice

As for the negativity between mGG and IXL. It goes both ways. I went to a LAN in Brisbane, and while I played, I was shit talked by one of the people in your clan. I called him out, he denied it, sure, don't believe me because mGG are the good guys, and we're the "omg incredible BM IXL guys". My brother and one of my best mates was in the room at the time of it happening, and I wasn't even given a chance to speak after he denied it, the blog was simply closed. That is what happens with this site, everyone remembers the few IXL guys that poked a bit of fun at some mGG players, but as soon as mGG does it, it's the IXL player making up a bunch of bullshit. The double standards are absolutely ******* ridiculous. If you're going to talk shit, expect to be called out, and at least admit to it. That's how it is, we shouldn't need to sugarcoat everything.

But it's fine. I don't want to be a house clan on this site anymore. It's a waste of time even being recognised when Nirvana isn't even a part of the community anymore. Rather than realizing which clans deserve deserve what, he's off playing around with his travel website....

I said it in your blog and I'll say it again here. When a friend of mine was asking me if your good (in the context of can you beat King Kong) I said no. I said you were shit. I said I was shit. I said every one at that LAN other (once again my self included) was shit but for 3 players (Forbz, NXZ and KingKong).

It wasn't me pointing you out and shit talking you. It was my answering a friend of mine that those 3 players I named where a ton ahead of everyone else at that LAN. I didn't deny saying any thing bad about you. I just denied that you think I'm pointing you out and shit talking you when I WAS SAYING EVERY ONE THERE WAS SHIT IN COMPARISON TO THOSE PLAYERS. Don't need to get your feelings so hurt cause I didn't say 'Malice is an amazing player and his totally gonna own KK.'

You need to get over it..... And the whole "I don't want to be a house clan on this site anymore." reminded me of what one of my younger brothers use to say every time he didn't get something he wanted. Just saying brought a smile to my face.

BTW if you want to talk to me some more about the Brisbane LAN some more feel free to add me on skype: Alistair.McDowall1 and we can talk about it some more there. This thread probs isn't the best place for it.


EDIT @MezJE: In January I wouldnt have called Malice infinitely better then me. He hadnt done any thing that impressed me as a player. And from what I had seen he was not at the level of those 3 players. Is that concept so hard to grasp?


EDIT @Malice: That was my opinion at the time. Forbz stood out to me. You at the time had never once stood out to me. When Forbz decided to actully try he played damn well. Hell both of his games were ridiculously close with King Kong (one of them came down to a single fungal, the other he had the supply lead for the majority of the game)..... your games with King Kong were your rushes getting crushed completely 1 sided.

I found Forbz a better player then you because he stood out alot more to me then you ever had. If you really cant get over this then you got some serious ego issues. If I had called Forbz shit, I can tell you now he wouldn't be holding onto it this long being this but hurt as you are. At the time you didnt impress me as a player. Get over it.

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	ThatGuyDoMo:	I was with Alpha when his happened, he speaks the truth
	MezjE:	Comparing other players to children when you call someone infinitely better than you shit lmao clueless
	syfSoundwave:	At the time MezjE I'd say Alpha might have been better than Malice, Malice only got super good in the past couple months
	syfChase:	MezjE, Alpha said it in comparison to the likes of Kingkong and NXZ, not a comparison between himself and Malice
	Seffy:	Context Mezje. Context. -.-
	mGGJuggerGOOSE:	Why are you guys arguing about 1 person being offended, he said: EVERY-ONE IS SHIT, we should all be feeling offended
	Malice:	I have never dropped a game to Forbz. Forbz had the easiest bracket in that tournament and got a free run to wb finals.

[Montycarlo]

If its such a small count of offending members, then why hasn't the banhammer/timeout been used just on those individuals? The clan leader(s) should be working with you if you have a problem with them to reach a penalty, but you're isolating them.

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nirvAnA:

great point

[RuineD]

Originally Posted by Montycarlo

If its such a small count of offending members, then why hasn't the banhammer/timeout been used just on those individuals? The clan leader(s) should be working with you if you have a problem with them to reach a penalty, but you're isolating them.

see you on the other side

[mGGNemesis]

I think eMp has stabilized heaps as a clan and their leaders are active to maintaining a good image (removing map hackers from their roster etc) and approaching clans actively for clanwars etc. I have seen them from the start when a group of them wanting to be more involved in the community, separated from another clan and making the changes they seek actively. I think eMp has come far enough to be recognised that they are deserving and can be a good house clan. I have met some members who are a little bm (usually in team games) but in general, I think they are fine.

ToP after some initial hype has since almost disappeared with their leaders, I heard, have mostly all gone missing. Most of their active members have since been since leaving them and joining other clans e.g. Tribe ->DGTV, Zen went back to AxS, some others to eMp etc

NairX, I feel started off with a good presentation but has yet to actually stabilize as a clan actually active on sc2sea or in the community in general. Except for Oclel I dun really see any other members interacting on sc2sea or in the community in general. Even then I haven't seen Oclel for a while. Opinions about this clan is generally mixed.

Hope this helps with the consideration for these clans.

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	SLCN.ARze:	<3
	syfChase:	Nem #1 glorious leader
	eCKoa`ProzeR:	<3 Nem
	eMp.distyL:	Thanks Nem, <3

[Seffy]

Originally Posted by mGGNemesis

NairX, I feel started off with a good presentation but has yet to actually stabilize as a clan actually active on sc2sea or in the community in general. Except for Oclel I dun really see any other members interacting on sc2sea or in the community in general. Even then I haven't seen Oclel for a while. Opinions about this clan is generally mixed.

Oclel disappeared basically after a few of us had an argument with him on chat.

Basically, him and another person were having a pretty big argument in sc2sea chat. There was myself and a few other members on there and we all told both of them to stop or take it to PMing and while one listened, Oclel decided to start on us as well. He was talking a lot of crap really, and we even told him that he wasn't really being any more mature than the person he was arguing with anyway by retaliating.

Clearly he went mod/10 and it got too frustrating for us to deal with, so we just decided to retaliate back. Yeah, us in chat at that time could have done better.. but seriously he was a big douche and we all just ignored him after a couple of minutes. Since then, he's disappeared. I admit, we were at our own fault for retaliating.. but he brought it upon himself anyway, and dug himself a hole.

With regards to other members, I hear cases of them being BM as shit here and there about a day or two after they posted their own thread. So I can't really say much.

TL;DR: Leader's a douche.

[FSBenAD]

Im obviously not as active in terms of playing games, but my clan members let me know if they run into any issues.

Regardless my biggest concern is that that being a House Clan actually means something and thus isn't just a given cause you are a clan on SEA. I know this isn't the case, so I am not suggesting it is at all, I am just saying that with an eye to the future and evaluated clans.

I think a minimum activity point is a great idea. Too many clans come in with a blaze and then go away within a month or two. We want committed clans and ones that are willing to put the long term effort in.

If the rules were clearer on what the requirements are to be a house clan, it might also help some of the frustration. I know thats the point of this thread, so again I am just writing my thoughts without any accusations on the current system

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	Seffy:	Pretty much this.
	VorteX:	Bascially this, what Ben says in this Post.
	nirvAnA:	sums up the ideas in the op more concisely than i was able to. thank you!

[SLCNPezz]

Rofl seriously who cares this thread is the biggest joke

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	syfRize:	pezz #1 meanie
	ThatGuyDoMo:	shots fired
	RuineD:	so is your lack of ROCCAT apparel
	Pox:	TRUTH HURTS
	asdfSchnitzel:	Dat pezz

[eMp.distyL]

Thank you to everyone's comments regarding eMp,
Myself and our other members are really happy at the direction and being nominated for the House Clan.

I feel i'm not in a position to cast a vote or give any comments regarding any of the teams up for it as it might be bias and i was always told if you have nothing nice to say don't say nothing

I wish all teams the very best!

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hayr0b:

You guys more than deserve it ^^ eMp's members certainly have a positive vibe, i saw that from how chatty they are ^^

[tribewarfer]

"ToP after some initial hype has since almost disappeared with their leaders, I heard, have mostly all gone missing. Most of their active members have since been since leaving them and joining other clans e.g. Tribe ->DGTV, Zen went back to AxS, some others to eMp etc" Great Leader Nem of mgg.

Most people i know of who left TOP was because of the management of TOP was not good enough,eg finding clan wars for members. With Narix most of the guys who i play seem pretty manner. I agree with Stal that small events can have a bad rep with in a clan.

[x5.RunaMoK]

Look this is the last thing that needs to be said on this thread.

There was a huge communication error in which lead to a result of IXL players feeling singled out.
I wont go into details but obviously this wasn't the case. House clan status was granted to IXL at the beginning of January this year and obviously we didn't get the memo and somethings where lost in the mail when the majority of our focus was the new site.


That being said I'm personally going to work with Nirvana on this and have the mess sorted out in the coming days.
Then we can finally present to you our House clan page and be apart of the greater community that is sc2sea.

So i would ask now, for those who have bickering questions to re-frame or hold them because the truth is not all the information was presented and to take sides would simply be irrational.


Here's to looking to the future.

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	sR.Kumo:	I hope you manage to sort everything out, and get your House Clan page up sometime soon! ^_^
	VorteX:	Also i do hope you get everything sorted out and back on track! Than leave this all behind to start afresh! :)

[RicocheT]

I believe we should remove mGG as a house clan.
Simply because with the stepping down of Goose, Nem is now leader of mGG.
And WE ALL KNOW, Nemesis is the epitome of true evil...
Don't say I didn't warn you when sc2sea burns to the ground.

Okay on a serious topic as well, eMp I've seen a few of the chaps around, seem like decent enough lads. Maybe a bit bm at times, but then who isn't bm at times. They also seem to be rather active in the sc2sea scene which doesn't hurt their cause one bit.

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	mGGNemesis:	OI! u so mean :'( </3
	VorteX:	lols

[Lokth]

wait, Nem is now the leader of mGG? Oh gawd! PURGE THEM! PURGE THEM!

[VorteX]

Originally Posted by Lokth

wait, Nem is now the leader of mGG? Oh gawd! PURGE THEM! PURGE THEM!

Nem always has been a mGG leader!!

[ToRSpartaz]

Originally Posted by VorteX

Nem always has been a mGG leader!!

Definitely well deserved, I couldn't think of anyone better

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	mGGNemesis:	<3
	VorteX:	Yep...of course :)

[IXLives]

I just wanted to make a brief statement to help provide a little perspective, I'll understand if this post is deleted for topic's sake.

Originally Posted by nirvAnA

Lives said he wanted to set up his own site so he didn't proceed with creating the thread required for being a house clan and he did not message me again after that last interaction.

My intention in the previously mentioned messages was to give a quick heads up on what we had planned and why we weren't going to be putting the thread up immediately, in a bid to display a willingness to cooperate. Not to advertise our site or suggest that we no longer wanted to be a house clan. With a lot going on I assumed that, with all the other required info having been filled out, our member activity, clan forum threads and said site release (and other events/media linking to sc2sea) would show we still wanted that house spot.

I see now that my failure to clearly communicate, a long with Runamok and myself's further failure to post a clear official clan thread, was a mistake. For that I would like to apologise.

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nirvAnA:

ty for the clarification!

[Thoth]

Originally Posted by ToRSpartaz

Definitely well deserved, I couldn't think of anyone better

Neither could I. Anyways, on topic; I agree with the time restriction ali brought up, as it judges a clan by activity and not any other aspect (different clans will have a different ethos obviously). I also wish the best of luck to runamok and IXL in getting house clan status, in my mind, they have been around for quite a while and sure, there may have been ups/downs, but I think they deserve it.

~thoth

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mGGNemesis:

thothy!!

[[NairX]Lenessa]

HI guys, im [NairX]Lenessa clan leader of clan NairX. With regards to the thread about NairX not getting into the house clans as well as being placed under consideration for admission into the house clan program I admit that I am sad about this. However, what made me more astounded was the amount of people as who claimed that NairX was a bm clan. Firstly, I do have to admit that I am not a dedicated leader due to my occupation as a student in the architecture industry which requires tons of sleepless nights. Hence, I am unable to commit as much as what other clan leaders can for example mGG and ToR. Secondly, there has been many posts on NairX should not be accepted into the house clan program due to the fact that the clan members bm. I would like to tell those who made those posts that the players are selected carefully before they are allowed into the clan and before entry I will let them know that we see discipline as a first priority as we respect the esports community. We have since removed mikasa who was once a clan member due to his bm to other players as well as other clans. I do wish that there could be a possible collaboration with any clans or players who are willing to help us point out members who are bm as i am unable to check if they are bm-ing unless I am notified( with possible replays or screenshots). I sincerely hope that this form of collaboration could be possible as well as my sincerest apologies to anyone that has been insulted by our clan members. I respect Nirvana's decision to put us under consideration especially when the reputation of NairX is already tainted. As the clan leader,it is my responsibility to act as well as to earn back the respect of the esports community. Once again, I am really sorry. my email is ( Peganixis@hotmail.com) do let me know if there are any bm players in our clan. Thank you!

Best Regards

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	mGGFender:	Please use paragraphs!
	SLCN.ARze:	np
	ToRGreenArchon:	#ToRSleep is my hero.
	FSJhedjuka:	On your profille you should put your contact information, and add a signature saying you are leader. It'll help a lot.

[carmour]

This thread kind of just seems like an excuse to have a bitch about stuff. I've had plenty of BM from people in "reputable" clans and no name clans. As far as I'm concerned, people need to get thicker skin about things like this and not get so easily rustled. Obviously there's a line when BM becomes abuse.. but man some people are so precious. They don't get a glhf or a gg and they're up in arms to protect their rights to be gg'd and glhf'd under the sc2 constitution.

[FSJhedjuka]

Originally Posted by carmour

This thread kind of just seems like an excuse to have a bitch about stuff. I've had plenty of BM from people in "reputable" clans and no name clans. As far as I'm concerned, people need to get thicker skin about things like this and not get so easily rustled. Obviously there's a line when BM becomes abuse.. but man some people are so precious. They don't get a glhf or a gg and they're up in arms to protect their rights to be gg'd and glhf'd under the sc2 constitution.

Sometimes true. To help draw the line between abuse and general lack of manners screenshots and replays need to be shared with the relevant people to help ascertain what the case may be in each individual circumstance. From that, I'm sure the clan management will act accordingly.

In FS we have previously removed players from our roster based on a civil discussion with the other clan's management, and with the players in question. I'll give credit to Lenessa for taking a step in the right direction by posting their contact details publicly and encouraging feedback on issues with NairX players.

Good luck to NairX and I hope that any negative imagery can be dissolved by your hard work over the next few months. Good luck, and have fun.

[[NairX]Lenessa]

In FS we have previously removed players from our roster based on a civil discussion with the other clan's management, and with the players in question. I'll give credit to Lenessa for taking a step in the right direction by posting their contact details publicly and encouraging feedback on issues with NairX players.

Good luck to NairX and I hope that any negative imagery can be dissolved by your hard work over the next few months. Good luck, and have fun.[/QUOTE]

Hey Thank you Jhedjuka, if there is other things that I should do to help remove the negative image of NairX, pls do guide me in this aspect. Thank you once again to you and FS.