[cruxis]

Oh I didn't know that part. Just saw Cella doing it from time to time.

[toasti0]

Just visit the below link and you will get your answer why. You can even see it in the percentages comparison of sea to na server. E.g Bronze league makes up 46.2% of the server on sea(yes almost half of the server is bronze). where as only 37.8% of na players are in bronze league(about one third). Therefore the other 11% are for some reason pushed up into the other leagues probably to increase usa epeen. Another e.g Diamond sea 10% of the server diamond na 14.2% of the server.

Overall there is a higher percentage of players who are placed at a higher rank on the NA server and therefore you have a higher chance of meeting an sea bronzer in na silver or gold leagues who wouldn't usually be there on the sea server.

http://sc2ranks.com/stats/league/all/1/all

[Xeen]

Hasn't it already been confirmed that the main leagues (bronze silver gold plat diamond) have roughly 20% distribution, and sc2ranks is inaccurate due to inactive players and incomplete results?

[sandyph]

Im Gold SEA with Random and Silver NA with Zerg

[ZoomDog]

Originally Posted by Xeen

Hasn't it already been confirmed that the main leagues (bronze silver gold plat diamond) have roughly 20% distribution, and sc2ranks is inaccurate due to inactive players and incomplete results?

Yes it has.

[pikk0n]

One thing I do know about the NA scene and it's that their players are such BMs. LOL! I spend most of my time there observing games just to watch them BM. If you're lucky, you'll get a 1v1 obs game with 9 IdrAs in it.

On a side note, I fluked my way into diamond in NA as toss. Gold random here in SEA but they have some really good players in NA up in the higher rungs. As someone here said. It's just the fact that there are more people in the NA server that you get more noobs. Also, they have very different playstyles compared to us. They would focus a lot on their macro (you'd see 1 rax/gate expands and early hatches) even in bronze. These are legitimate playing styles which would ultimately help them once they have improved their game mechanics. Cheesy builds are fun for easy wins but in a BO3 series, you're not going to be able to beat the same player. There is a masters player in NA who 7 pooled his way up the ladder but he's not someone you're really going to look up to. Their established players would start working on some cheesy builds, hence you'd find that diamond and above are harder and you'd get the 5-7 min pressure. .

Just keep this in mind though. In a macro game, you're not going to beat them. Imagine playing IdrA. They are a bunch of brats in NA.

[TAavanar]

Originally Posted by pikk0n

One thing I do know about the NA scene and it's that their players are such BMs. LOL! I spend most of my time there observing games just to watch them BM. If you're lucky, you'll get a 1v1 obs game with 9 IdrAs in it.

On a side note, I fluked my way into diamond in NA as toss. Gold random here in SEA but they have some really good players in NA up in the higher rungs. As someone here said. It's just the fact that there are more people in the NA server that you get more noobs. Also, they have very different playstyles compared to us. They would focus a lot on their macro (you'd see 1 rax/gate expands and early hatches) even in bronze. These are legitimate playing styles which would ultimately help them once they have improved their game mechanics. Cheesy builds are fun for easy wins but in a BO3 series, you're not going to be able to beat the same player. There is a masters player in NA who 7 pooled his way up the ladder but he's not someone you're really going to look up to. Their established players would start working on some cheesy builds, hence you'd find that diamond and above are harder and you'd get the 5-7 min pressure. .

Just keep this in mind though. In a macro game, you're not going to beat them. Imagine playing IdrA. They are a bunch of brats in NA.

are you saying that a sea diamond cant beat a diamond NA player in a macro game....cuz ur dead wrong

[pikk0n]

That comment is directed more towards the BSG level who have gone to NA and experienced a sudden jump in their league placement. People around my level. When you're up in diamond, your gameplay is refined enough that you're about equal to one another though there are quite a lot of rather bad diamond players there.

I'm just adding this to caution the players here from making the mistake of thinking that they have eradicated most of the flaws of their games by making it to diamond or platinum in NA. I still genuinely see myself as a gold or lower player. Your lower rank always matters more than your higher rank. That's where your improvements are going to come from.

[cure]

Well, like Max said, NA server has a much larger population, hence it's either to climb the ladder. But if you hit top200 on NA i reckon the skill level would be higher then SEA.

[aztecx]

I made masters on NA in 2v2r in 1 night of play and it was FAR easier than making masters on SEA. Medium-High diamond was basically masters over there.

[pikk0n]

aztecx, That's because until recently, they've always thought that in 2v2s, you need to expand first. LOL! They've only just recently discovered that 2v2s involve early attacks before expanding. They're much worse 4 months ago when I first entered NA.

[TAEdgE]

Grand master on NA - it's much harder in a sense that you have such a thick field of quality players who you need to adapt to every game, whereas on SEA you can get stuck versing the same person up to 10 times, and it just becomes more mind games and relying on cutting corners.

SEA has definitely measured up to NA below the plateau of top players, but you can't look past the quantity of NA.

[Makra]

Well, NA team game players are certainly much dumber and more prone to BM/rage than their SEA counterparts. Had a big run of 2v2 this arvo on NA, not a single team said gg when we won, and there were a few interesting comments. Apparently a joint marauder hellion push at 8 minutes is an all-in (vs double zerg..), and if you scout cheese/proxys, putting up a couple of bunkers means you're a gay turtler. Oh, and if you beat someone twice in a row, they ****ing hate your guts. O.o

[BordZ]

Pikkon i disagree 100% with what you have said about macro, I have not found anyone on my level in NA that can macro like I can, on sea I see it all the time (in fact it happned in the game I just played, nydus ftw though).

And yeah somethings up, I'm gold here and Platinum in NA (was gold last season) and well I'm bad suffice to say

[Jumbled]

Originally Posted by BordZ

Pikkon i disagree 100% with what you have said about macro, I have not found anyone on my level in NA that can macro like I can, on sea I see it all the time (in fact it happned in the game I just played, nydus ftw though).

And yeah somethings up, I'm gold here and Platinum in NA (was gold last season) and well I'm bad suffice to say

There's definitely a noticeable difference. I'm gold on SEA and decided to give NA a go with the new season. Placed in plat and was quickly promoted to diamond. It does feel unfairly easy by comparison.

[aztecx]

Originally Posted by pikk0n

aztecx, That's because until recently, they've always thought that in 2v2s, you need to expand first. LOL! They've only just recently discovered that 2v2s involve early attacks before expanding. They're much worse 4 months ago when I first entered NA.

They actually play FAR more aggressively over on NA than they do here. That's not the point though because my assessment of their skill isn't based on the strategies they may use. It is based on their execution of whichever strategy they have decided upon.

Overall I believe there are a lot more weaker players in NA masters 2v2r than there are on the SEA server.

[ke_ivan]

What about the korean server level? Since i'm already at the bottom of the table (haven't played 4ever), i wonder if going to the korean ladder will help resurrect my play.

[TAEdgE]

Korean ladder absolutely shits on NA and SEA at even the decent masters or high diamond level. It cannot be compared. Only the top top of NA or Europe can compare to korea, but korea has so many unknown players with amazing skill that you never have an easy game really.

[TargA]

Originally Posted by pikk0n

One thing I do know about the NA scene and it's that their players are such BMs. LOL! I spend most of my time there observing games just to watch them BM. If you're lucky, you'll get a 1v1 obs game with 9 IdrAs in it.

On a side note, I fluked my way into diamond in NA as toss. Gold random here in SEA but they have some really good players in NA up in the higher rungs. As someone here said. It's just the fact that there are more people in the NA server that you get more noobs. Also, they have very different playstyles compared to us. They would focus a lot on their macro (you'd see 1 rax/gate expands and early hatches) even in bronze. These are legitimate playing styles which would ultimately help them once they have improved their game mechanics. Cheesy builds are fun for easy wins but in a BO3 series, you're not going to be able to beat the same player. There is a masters player in NA who 7 pooled his way up the ladder but he's not someone you're really going to look up to. Their established players would start working on some cheesy builds, hence you'd find that diamond and above are harder and you'd get the 5-7 min pressure. .

Just keep this in mind though. In a macro game, you're not going to beat them. Imagine playing IdrA. They are a bunch of brats in NA.

Im sorry to say this, but most of the better/top American players are actually very mannered and fun guys to play against.

I've had top mmr on EU NA and SEA and I rarely play bad mannered players.

edit: However I think that a lot of the good players are extremly arrogant eg. tyler saying indirectly that Europeans are trash before dreamhack/assembly, painuser also had a few good qoutes on state of the game were he said euros are bad compared to him etc !

[TargA]

Originally Posted by EdgE

Korean ladder absolutely shits on NA and SEA at even the decent masters or high diamond level. It cannot be compared. Only the top top of NA or Europe can compare to korea, but korea has so many unknown players with amazing skill that you never have an easy game really.

True, but imo EU scene will catch up with Korea soon, such a sick amount of ex wc3/bw pros in Europe. I also predict the American sc2 scene to end up like they did in wc3, with 2-3 decent players