[Baldie]

Plantronics ACL Brisbane has been confirmed for April 13th & 14th, 2013!

lt's time! The Australian Cyber League's first event for our massive 2013 season, Plantronics ACL Brisbane, has been announced in the beautiful city of Brisbane! Continuing on the huge level of support from 2012, Plantronics has stepped it up massively and are committing to competitive gaming more than ever.

Think you have what it takes to be a champion? This is the first LAN on the long road to success that will end at our National Finals event at the end of the year and we want you to experience this journey with us. Don't miss out on your chance to compete against the best Australia has to offer, catch up with your friends, spectate the best professionals go head to head and experience all the action the most prestigious and competitive national gaming league in Australia, Plantronics ACL, and our events provide. Prepare yourself for all the action of the 2013 Plantronics ACL Pro Circuit where we will truly take professional gaming to the next level!

Venue:
Mercure Hotel
Chelsea Ballroom
85–87 North Quay
Brisbane, QLD, 4003


For full event details including ticketing, prize pool breakdown and lots more visit:
http://www.aclpro.com.au/_/acl-news/...l-details-r250

[SanG]

woot 50 dollar entry fee
woot 5 bucks for watching

[RuineD]

costs as much as a plane ticket to enter the tournament assuming i make it to 2nd bracket.

gg

[syfChase]

Originally Posted by qmX.RuineD

costs as much as a plane ticket to enter the tournament assuming i make it to 2nd bracket.

gg

Then don't make it to the second bracket
/Problem

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RuineD:

you're a god darned genius

[mGGDaedalus]

I'm kind of confused, why is there additional fee if you advance to the 2nd bracket? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

I'm also confused as there is the 1st and 2nd open bracket fees, but then later on there's another set of fees for entering the open bracket? $30 open bracket door ticket + $50 for 1st bracket + $25 for making it to second bracket.. seems a bit excessive to me.

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Baldie:

To match the cost of what the Pro Players are paying

[Baldie]

Admittedly we've had it pretty easy for a year when it comes to entry fees. Having seen the costs associated with putting on an offline event of this size, production value and a prize pool this big, it's understandable to have entry costs consistent with that.

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mGGDaedalus:

Not against fees, just a bit confusing with all the separate fees. Maybe it's the way it's worded

[Dingobloo]

Important note from the article:

*Maximum prize pool based on minimum levels of attendance. This means if there are the minimum amount or more, the prize pool will be as above. Less teams will mean the opposite and the prize pool will decrease. The minimum players is 50 players for SC2. Minimum prize pool is guaranteed $1750 for SC2 to be shared between 1st, 2nd and 3rd.

For reference: The Melbourne and Sydney events were 61 ish people (45 open bracket, 16 from groups) so it doesn't take much to drop below the minimum.

[Benji]

$5 to spectate?

[ToR.Arnor]

Just to clarify is it 50 Open bracket players is the minimum? or would it be 34 Open Bracket players (As there 16 in the Pro Bracket)

[Pandan]

Wait, what the hell is this?

With that pricing model - you're basically saying the FANTASTIC story last year of Fenner legging it up from Sydney to Gold Coast (open bracket -> finals) would cost him $115 now, when it cost less than half that last year?

Surely, SURELY that is a mistake?!


I really hope Daedalus is wrong here, because that is the definition of FULL RETARD

EDIT: Oh thank god Daedalus appears wrong here. You pay $30, then you pay additional $25 to MATCH the $55 the pros play. It's not all 3 added together.

The entry fees appear to exceed the prize pool though, which is pretty strange seeing as you have $4000+ additional sponsor funding compared to last year...

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mGGDaedalus:

Yeah I was just confused by the wording, seemed kind of unclear

[Dingobloo]

Originally Posted by Pandan

Wait, what the hell is this?

With that pricing model - you're basically saying the FANTASTIC story last year of Fenner legging it up from Sydney to Gold Coast (open bracket -> finals) would cost him $115 now, when it cost less than half that last year?

Surely, SURELY that is a mistake?!


I really hope Daedalus is wrong here, because that is the definition of FULL RETARD

Not sure where you're getting those numbers from, it's $25 to enter open if you pre-order online ($30 at the door), $25 if you get out of the open bracket into the pro bracket.

Last year in Melbourne it was: - Open Bracket Entry: $25. Top 8 from Open Bracket pay additional $20 to compete in the Pro Bracket (total $45).

It's basically 5 bucks more than last year, or 10 bucks more if you don't order online.

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Pandan:

I already edited the post about 2 minutes before you posted, thanks though

[HuT]

$5 to spec? lol?

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	Zepph:	this. $5 to stand around =/ ummmmm....
	Snx.Mufasa:	OMFG SO MUCH MONEY WTF!!!!!!AFAS FASFAGEWQABVA

[ACL VaNzR]

Sigh. When will ACL ever earn the SC2 community's respect. I'm pretty disheartened now to be honest

Was hoping WCS may have done it, but not enough I guess.

Few key points:

- Events cost money. A LOT of money.
- We've sunk over 20k-30k into ACL in the last few years and continue NOT to turn a profit. ACL is not designed to reap all your hard earned dollars away from you. It's here to help service bigger and better gaming events that are more professional than any other in Australia
- More sponsorship means bigger events and more prize money. Hosting bigger events costs..... wait for it.... more money
- Console players have been paying $50 since 2006, and its BYOC !!

It sickens me to continually read attitudes like this, negativity and blatant slander by some people. I'm honestly heartbroken by this kind of response.

This is not directed to all of you (of course) but I really thought you were one of the more mature communities, ready and willing to embrace those that support you. Please don't prove me wrong.

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	syfSoundwave:	Well I am certainly excited for this event. No issues from me ^^
	nirvAnA:	VaNzR, dont worry - pandan is not = the community. MLG ran into the same issues. I hope you guys keep up the great work.
	Pandan:	So you're saying that while we have a similar number of competitors, we should be happy with less prizes nirv? Really??
	breadfan:	SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY

[Pandan]

Originally Posted by ACL VaNzR

service bigger and better gaming events

Yeah, but if you add up your minimum entry fees that = $7100 (not incl extra $25-30 p.p for finals series, nor does it includes any spectators), then count in a ballpark sponsor contribution of $6000-8000 and only $9000 being given out in prizes, means you're still spending substantial quantities on overheads/venue fees etc, and the SC2 part of the prize pool has barely gone up (which basically ran 2012's growth) and the other 2 games that are getting a HUGE boost;

ACL Gold Coast 2012 Prizes
SC2: $1750 [$2500] +750
COD: $2000 [$3500] +1500
HALO: $2000 [$3000] +1000

So out of a total $3250 in prize growth (YoY), 23% went to SC2 (the main game in 2012), 31% went to HALO (the dead game from 2012) and a whopping 46% went to COD, which is looking about the same size as last year.

EDIT:

When will ACL ever earn the SC2 community's respect?

Maybe when you respect them back for growing your company?

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deL:

Tasty post

[ETL.noTTuh]

why do ppl pay to watch cod its so boring

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	Malice:	I agree, but a lot of people would say the same about Starcraft.
	Mayo:	Many people say the same about many different games :)

[fray`Alpha]

Been trying to get a couple of my friends who have a small interest in gaming to come spectate to try and grow that interest. I'm curious if the booths from WCS will be there for the stage games or any other plans for an improved spectating set up then some of the ACL's last year. I found the biggest issues with past ACL's was not being able to hear the Cast or game at all due to the players being able to hear any thing. Just curious what the spectating area plans are this time round.

Cant wait for ACL

[ACL VaNzR]

SC2 1st: $1000 per person
CoD 1st: $400 per person

Not going to say more than that. Thanks to all those who compete in our tournaments and ENJOY what we do

[Dingobloo]

Originally Posted by Pandan

Yeah, but if you add up your minimum entry fees that = $7100 (not incl extra $25-30 p.p for finals series, nor does it includes any spectators), then count in a ballpark sponsor contribution of $6000-8000 and only $9000 being given out in prizes, means you're still spending substantial quantities on overheads/venue fees etc, and the SC2 part of the prize pool has barely gone up (which basically ran 2012's growth) and the other 2 games that are getting a HUGE boost;



So out of a total $3250 in prize growth (YoY), 23% went to SC2 (the main game in 2012), 31% went to HALO (the dead game from 2012) and a whopping 46% went to COD, which is looking about the same size as last year.

EDIT:


Maybe when you respect them back for growing your company?

Growth doesn't necessarily mean increased profitability especially when it's combined with significant costs and no dramatic increase in revenue, the increased prize per player in SC2 is lower presumably because it's not BYOC and on top of that SC2 has a smaller minimum player count to reach it's max prize pool, and even if the prize pool isn't increasing dramatically, it's still increasing. Not even mentioning the improvements to production that ACL made over the last year and the improvement of venues that we've started to see this year.

Now I don't know what beef you have ACL but I'm pretty sure even the people bitching about price increases aren't doing it because they don't respect the events ACL ran or continues to run, and your post is really disrespectful to someone who had been reasonably level headed in the face of a wall of negativity.

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nirvAnA:

yay dingobloo to the rescue! <3

[Pandan]

Originally Posted by Dingobloo

they don't respect the events ACL ran

Not sure why you would interpret that specifically...

I simply disagree with the path taken, and post my researched opinion. This will not be a surprise to anyone at ACL or in that house, and likely show some sort of repetition from my rants over the last 12 months or so.

Your opinion is welcome, though. I might not agree with it, but you are definitely entitled to it.

[Matt93]

Originally Posted by ACL VaNzR

SC2 1st: $1000 per person
CoD 1st: $400 per person

Not going to say more than that. Thanks to all those who compete in our tournaments and ENJOY what we do

I don't play in ACL mostly because I'm bad and can't afford to even join, but I like that someone is trying to bring the SEA eSports scene places, and unlike others I know that if you're not making money there's no point in doing something, so I can understand why things are like they are. The more money you make, the bigger things grow which in turn increase profit and increase the size of the tournament.