[syfChadMann]

Originally Posted by FaDePetrify

>Get told to stop my game mid game because brackets are resetting
>Have same bracket

Pretty disgusted.

> Already explained to you that parts of the brackets changed - not all
> your match history supply counts show there was no major engagements and builds standard - no advantage given, result fair. (you were at 23 supply)
> you still post here and complain

Would you rather you be left to play your game - then be told it didn't count?

......
I understand your disappointed because you lost - but thats that - there was an error.. the ESL site is confusing for the new admins being brought in to run this for you in their free time.

Grow up.

[SLCN.Petrify]

Originally Posted by fray`ChadMann

> Already explained to you that parts of the brackets changed - not all
> your match history supply counts show there was no major engagements and builds standard - no advantage given, result fair.
> you still post here and complain

......
I understand your disappointed because you lost - but thats that - there was an error.. the ESL site is confusing for the new admins being brought in to run this for you in their free time.

Grow up.

Actually you told me mid game the brackets were resetting. And he double pylon blocked me + gateway blocked me in game one. Not standard at all, next game I basically revolved my entire early game around not letting that happen, he just played greedy.

If you can't see why this is just blatantly unfair then, then don't admin.

[syfChadMann]

Originally Posted by FaDePetrify

Actually you told me mid game the brackets were resetting. And he double pylon blocked me + gateway blocked me in game one. Not standard at all, next game I basically revolved my entire early game around not letting that happen, he just played greedy.

If you can't see why this is just blatantly unfair then, then don't admin.

If you want to lie to bolster you case - go for it...
but the build order on the game that I told you to end - he hasn't even made a gateway. Forge Nexus and Canon is all he made. And only made 2 plyons.. standard timings

[SLCN.Petrify]

Do you want the replay?

[SLCN.Petrify]

http://drop.sc/265283

If you think thats standard and that I don't have a disadvantage next game, then you have no idea. I agreed to not continue under the impression that I wouldn't be playing him again.

Not to mention your response in the chat channel was "oh well" and "if he saw your early 2rax then i guess it matters", then "its fair".

Seriously dude, what I said in chat was that I really hope that this didn't happen again because it was totally unfair to drop players out of a game, make them think they aren't playing each other, then having the exact same bracket for them.

I would've let it go if you said 'yeah i'm sorry that it happened' but you are so goddamn adamant that nothing went wrong, seriously, it's 100% unfair to do that to a player. Then your response is "grow up"? What kind of admin is that.

Edit;
Okay now you deleted your post. Cool.
Such a mature admin.

[x5_Bard]

He said he did the gateway block in game 1, thats why it wont show on the build order for game 2

I think your overreacting Petrify. You shouldnt really challenge the validity of a 4:09 game. If a player DC's after that duration its considered a dead rubber, you cant (under 99%) of circumstances claim that you would have won that game. Admins asking you to regame due to issues is perfectly reasonable. If you have an issue about how it "went down" then I would highly recommend you talk to Chadmann with PM's rather than an open forum where nosy opinionated people like me will happily throw in their 2 cents!

[zenabi]

Originally Posted by FaDePetrify

Okay now you deleted your post. Cool.
Such a mature admin.

Such a mature player. Grow up. It is the admins responsibility to let players know if things are changing that could have effected them. It made you play slightly safer/pay more attention to pylon blocks, if you are a good enough player, it should not matter. Don't go blatantly bming the admins for doing there job. Next time do not play.

[syfChadMann]

Either way - the result was still fair.
My response to your concerns was lack lustre because I had a dozen other tasks to get to.
You started going off at me saying it was a "******* joke" and blaming the admins. We put in the time for free to put these events on for you. When you go off at the admin - you shouldn't expect apologies or help to solve your problem. I will always give the short answer to people that have that attitude to Admins.

My response 'Grow up' was after you'd made multiple aggressive remarks to the admins of the cup. The result is still fair - the matches were played out. there were others whos brackets were changed around.

At the end of the day - would you rather everyone was told to end their matches because of a bracket error - while the matches were at most 4 mins in.. or wait till everyone finishes and tell them that the match didn't count because the brackets change?

Errors happen.. next time work WITH the admins to make it better for everyone - going off at people that give up their free time to do this for you, isn't going to get you anywhere.

I've said all I need - I will no longer be replying to this issue in this thread.

[SLCN.Petrify]

At the end of the day - would you rather everyone was told to end their matches because of a bracket error - while the matches were at most 4 mins in.. or wait till everyone finishes and tell them that the match didn't count because the brackets change?

I'd rather you waited until you had sufficient information of the new bracket before telling players to leave their games, and taking it from there.

I know I'm going to look like the bad guy because you are an admin, and I know your new at this/haven't been fully trained, but I did get an apology from other admins so I'm thankful for that.

I think your overreacting Petrify. You shouldnt really challenge the validity of a 4:09 game. If a player DC's after that duration its considered a dead rubber, you cant (under 99%) of circumstances claim that you would have won that game. Admins asking you to regame due to issues is perfectly reasonable. If you have an issue about how it "went down" then I would highly recommend you talk to Chadmann with PM's rather than an open forum where nosy opinionated people like me will happily throw in their 2 cents!

That wasn't the issue. I wasn't claiming I won or that he won.

The issue was we were told to stop playing entirely because the bracket was resetting so naturally I assumed I wouldn't have the exact same bracket and wouldn't have to start the exact same map, against the exact same opponent.

Except they didn't touch my part of the bracket whatsoever.

Edit; Chadmanns response was, 'oh well'.

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syfChadMann:

If you want a better response than 'oh well' and 'grow up' then don't abuse admins.

[SLCN.Petrify]

If you want a better response than 'oh well' and 'grow up' then don't abuse admins.

My initial reaction was, something along the lines of "I know you are doing your best admins, but seriously saying the bracket is resetting, making me stop a game, and then not changing the bracket at all, that's a ******* joke". If you think that's abusing admins, then I'm sorry that I said it was a joke - but it was.

[iM MaFia]

Originally Posted by FaDePetrify

Actually you told me mid game the brackets were resetting. And he double pylon blocked me + gateway blocked me in game one. Not standard at all, next game I basically revolved my entire early game around not letting that happen, he just played greedy.

If you can't see why this is just blatantly unfair then, then don't admin.

I dont understand how is he able to pylon block you in a tournament game? isn't there a supply depot?

[SLCN.Petrify]

Originally Posted by iM mafia

I dont understand how is he able to pylon block you in a tournament game? isn't there a supply depot?

It wasn't at a ramp he was blocking both my hatches, it was double pylon, one at natural and one at third, then gateway at natural.

Could have been a hell of a lot worse, as chadmann said himself, if it was a terran 2raxing.

Irrespective of what occurred, the game shouldn't have been stopped if my whole bracket was exactly the same for 3 more rounds.

[iM MaFia]

Originally Posted by FaDePetrify

It wasn't at a ramp he was blocking both my hatches, it was double pylon, one at natural and one at third, then gateway at natural.

Could have been a hell of a lot worse, as chadmann said himself, if it was a terran 2raxing.

Irrespective of what occurred, the game shouldn't have been stopped if my whole bracket was exactly the same for 3 more rounds.

ok, but isn't this an advantage for you to stop and re game since you were in a bad position?

[aLtShortizz]

Originally Posted by iM mafia

ok, but isn't this an advantage for you to stop and re game since you were in a bad position?

Thats what i thought lol.

@ Petrify: Anyways i remember playing in a tourny against this GM terran(Cant rmb name). We were right around 70-80ish supply when he dropped, admin reviewed the game and decided we were even and ordered a regame. I tried explaining that even though we had the same supply, i already have mutas flying into his mech play without AA. So yeah, lost the next game cos i tilted and pretty sure he saw the BO from match history.

Point is, u get frustrated but after sometime you realise its just luck. Just like being blind countered or mis-microed. Chad might have been abit of a douche in his response but i can understand the pressure of handling a tournament and replying to so many people.

Let it go~

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SLCN.Petrify:

Yeah fair point, but Chadmann pushed all the right buttons and made me tilt further in chat. Letting it go now.

[SLCN.Petrify]

Originally Posted by iM mafia

ok, but isn't this an advantage for you to stop and re game since you were in a bad position?

Yeah. My mentality at that stage was fine though because I was totally focused on the game.

Then I didn't think it was a regame, I thought I was getting a totally different opponent and bracket. Then almost straight away after leaving the game we're told the brackets are up and mine is exactly the same. I was extremely confused and tilting.

[yongming]

iceiceice back and playing in qualifier 4

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	Asrathiel:	Cool :D
	asdfSchnitzel:	YES!

[Sc2Clare]

ice is playing?!?!?!?! wtf!!!!!

[syfChadMann]

Grats to Gamecom Nv's deth taking 1st in the 3rd qualifier and EvE Yekke taking 2nd and earning himself a shot at competing on home soil!

Some amazing games played tonight. Thanks to Baldie for stepping in to cast at the last minute.

Originally Posted by yongming

iceiceice back and playing in qualifier 4

Ice has also changed his name to gullible and joined EG.

[x5.Revenant]

Originally Posted by fray`ChadMann

Grats to Gamecom Nv's deth taking 1st in the 3rd qualifier and EvE Yekke taking 2nd and earning himself a shot at competing on home soil!

Some amazing games played tonight. Thanks to Baldie for stepping in to cast at the last minute.


Ice has also changed his name to gullible and joined EG.

It's true yo. He's back to SC2

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Asrathiel:

Yup, he's on the list...

[ProAnnn]

Originally Posted by Revenant

It's true yo. He's back to SC2

I THOUGHT HE PLAYING HON vs impunity soon??