[CHoBo(kice)]

I just posted the replay to help because you guys wanted more replays for him. Like I said I made many mistakes so he won fair and square

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syfChadMann:

Hyun wouldn't have made those mistakes ;-)

[Nemo]

Originally Posted by CHoBo(kice)

I just posted the replay to help because you guys wanted more replays for him. Like I said I made many mistakes so he won fair and square

Oh I completely forgot that Blaize was suspected from before. You should have given the context so we could have remembered him and at least give your opinion about him hacking or not in your game. I think it was 2 or 3 weeks ago.

Sorry for the misunderstanding. Posting a game against him was a very, very good thing. Thanks !

Quick replay analysis : http://fr.twitch.tv/nemoulysses/b/325015035

I agree with TwoGee, he's not map hacking in this game and he's quite competent in scouting. So he is cleared of any suspicion unless another suspect replay is given.

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TwoGee:

thank you, glad that i could help =]

[oo0zula0oo]

Blatantly using a map hack but still loses due to his poor macro.
I was smurfing in my low league account and came across this map hacker. he was a bad player but still he was in gold so need to report him because he really shouldn't have been in that league without his hack. sorry if the game took a long time.. It was my first game of the day and wanted to just relax and enjoy haha.. T_T
Also excuse my bm near the end. I don't like it at all when people don't say gl hf or even try to say anything. I also started suspecting him of hacking when he could see where my second ovie placement was and no scouting.. no scans.. and early third.. I thought i was playing another smurf but when i saw his first army hit i knew something was off.

so this is my analysis:

Because he does it a lot I wrote down a few times he just looks at my base because there were so many times.

4:29
5:57
7:45
13:20 - looking at my fourth and third.

15:32- looking at my army
15:47

18:20 - placing down turrets on an undiscovered base.

21:00 - this one you can clearly see him looking at my army
21:50 - looking at my army moving out
22:09 - also looking at my army while his is moving out.
22:14 - stims before seeing any of my units...

He also sends his vikings to my broodlords without seeing them at all...
but as I was saying he was really bad so he won't go further than gold but to be in gold just from this hack is sad to all those in the lower leagues..

please have a look and put him on the list~
thanks guys

[Fourby]

Ur BM was nice

lol deffs hacker

[mushistar]

Its only the past month ive learned that sc2 has hacks xD, i always thought everything would be server side but alot of sc2 info is client side xD

[Nemo]

I watched the replay and I agree with your analysis and conclusion. bluexile placed on the shame list.

[Seffy]

Hey guys can anyone check this for me? It's in between 32 and 35 minutes. I'm just really confused as to whether his scout was THE LUCK OF THE GODS, or if it's suspicious, because I had a hidden DT shrine in the right side of the map (bottom right spawn, 3rd base), he had nothing to scout any sign of it, he just saw my twilight being made is all. But from my collective information watching the reply like three times he didn't see my probe even go there. He sends his army towards the middle, then ALL of a sudden goes right to where my DT shrine is and drops right on it. I'm not sure whether this is suspicious activity or just pure luck.

I'm really bugged about it, but I just move on and keep playing.

Thanks for the input.

[TwoGee]

Originally Posted by SecretJieun

Hey guys can anyone check this for me? It's in between 32 and 35 minutes. I'm just really confused as to whether his scout was THE LUCK OF THE GODS, or if it's suspicious, because I had a hidden DT shrine in the right side of the map (bottom right spawn, 3rd base), he had nothing to scout any sign of it, he just saw my twilight being made is all. But from my collective information watching the reply like three times he didn't see my probe even go there. He sends his army towards the middle, then ALL of a sudden goes right to where my DT shrine is and drops right on it. I'm not sure whether this is suspicious activity or just pure luck.

I'm really bugged about it, but I just move on and keep playing.

Thanks for the input.

done.

02:20 scounts bottom right base (empty base).
06:21 sees x2 stalkers, panic and pulled scvs (has 2 bunkers with marines in them already).
11:20 scans natural mineral field (maphackers wouldn't need too.) also misses 3rd toss's 3rd base.
12:25 scans a second time before initiating attack, the whole time UNAWARE of the 3rd base right next to the natural base.

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20:49 both players begins the base trade.
23:40 toss b uilds hidden nexus in bottom right side of the center.

23:41 onwards terran airships roaming map destroying any building they find. (mission search and destroy.)
24:23 x2 medivac filled with marauders missed the undefended nexus (a maphacker would have destroyed it and got away safely.)

24:49 scouting vikings see nexus.
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33:05 terran army goes to middle (where the xel'naga towers are), then moved to right base and destroys toss's DT shrine.

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33:05 where the DT shrine incident was the only suss part that i found.

HOWEVER! from 20:49 to 33:05 where the incident happened, both players have been roaming the map trying to kill each others buildings.

during the later stages of that game, both players try to regain their economy and their army size, terran has multiple Command centers at hand, and starting to rebuild barracks.
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due to being unable to attack toss's chargelot/archon army directly.. the terran player searches the remaining expos starting from the rich mineral field and moving right towards the DT Shrine.

-edit-
the last link is a 1mb screenshot and takes a while to load, its also totally useless should you watch the replay. idk why i cant delete it.
so be warned.

Quick Comments

Nemo:

Thanks !!

[ChoseN]

LiFeWiRe maphacks.

Quick Comments

	x5.Arrival:	Check the confirmed maphacker list ;) And i thought he was banned?
	sRAnti:	I ran into him as well, blatantly making probes without selecting his nexus and maphacking
	Nemo:	Thanks for giving more proof, that's good to have the more possible.

[Nemo]

Originally Posted by ChoseN

LiFeWiRe maphacks.

I meant, you were right to give your replay. The more we have like that, the best it is. Remember to report him.

About SecretJieun
TwoGee, I guess your conclusion is that the guy is not maphacking I guess ?

Edit 2G: Fair enough, he's cleared for now.

Quick Comments

	jayaiwhy:	Lifewire has a smurf, I forgot to take note of his name ><
	TwoGee:	it was more coincident then mh really. toss placed buildings right next to mineral as terran was scouting for expo.

[ChoseN]

I am not one person to point finger and shout xxx is maphacking but I am quite sure about this one. myfriend maphacks, I have 2 replays that show that, it is not obvious at all, so I would need the community's help on this one.

[ChoseN]

Originally Posted by Nemo

I meant, you were right to give your replay. The more we have like that, the best it is. Remember to report him.

TwoGee, I guess your conclusion is that the guy is not maphacking I guess ?

Edit 2G: Fair enough, he's cleared for now.

nemo, it is very clear that this guy is maphacking, many people said that and I even have another 2 PvP replays, but if it that replay is not concrete evidence that he mh, then I doubt the rest of the other rep are of use.

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TwoGee:

nemo's reply was to my coclusion to a previous case not your one.

[Nemo]

Originally Posted by ChoseN

nemo, it is very clear that this guy is maphacking, many people said that and I even have another 2 PvP replays, but if it that replay is not concrete evidence that he mh, then I doubt the rest of the other rep are of use.

I was talking about SecretJieun of course !

LiFeWiRe is a proven shameless MapHacker no problem.

For the replays about myfriend, I will watch them this week-end.

[ChoseN]

Originally Posted by Nemo

I was talking about SecretJieun of course !

LiFeWiRe is a proven shameless MapHacker no problem.

For the replays about myfriend, I will watch them this week-end.

Oh lol, sorry

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Nemo:

np :)

[ChoseN]

And check out his win rates, ALL those +30 and above points wins are against protoss, even with mh, TvZ is still a hard matchup if u are just not as good as the opponent, and I dont think TvT helps much even with maphack? Maybe preventing drops, but if ur playing TvP, theres alot of timings u can use if u can see the whole map. Its really annoying for high level people playing with these kind of maphackers cos when u lose, u lose big, and unless u know that he is maphacking, u would probably lose as protoss.

[Nemo]

Originally Posted by ChoseN

I am not one person to point finger and shout xxx is maphacking but I am quite sure about this one. myfriend maphacks, I have 2 replays that show that, it is not obvious at all, so I would need the community's help on this one.

Make sure to make your own analyse when you suspect someone so I know what you saw. In this occasion I could only guess and so might have not seen something you noticed.
Analysis here : http://fr.twitch.tv/nemoulysses/b/329881479

Conclusion
My conclusion is that myfriend was definitly not Maphacking. In those 2 replays, nothing was really suspicious. He used the information he had and reacted accordingly.

There are numerous proofs he was not knowing was you were doing and making moves to be safe where there was no threat or being often surprised by your warp prism, dt's, army position.

Watch my video to understand my conclusion.

You were right anyway to submit the replays if you had doubts. It's our job to help you make the difference.

Cheers !

[SFTAElessar]

So sad that u we have to do this but thanks

[ChoseN]

Originally Posted by Nemo

Make sure to make your own analyse when you suspect someone so I know what you saw. In this occasion I could only guess and so might have not seen something you noticed.
Analysis here : http://fr.twitch.tv/nemoulysses/b/329881479

Conclusion
My conclusion is that myfriend was definitly not Maphacking. In those 2 replays, nothing was really suspicious. He used the information he had and reacted accordingly.

There are numerous proofs he was not knowing was you were doing and making moves to be safe where there was no threat or being often surprised by your warp prism, dt's, army position.

Watch my video to understand my conclusion.

You were right anyway to submit the replays if you had doubts. It's our job to help you make the difference.

Cheers !

I've played numerous terrans, and his scouting was really little, yet his timing is very on the point. Tat taldarium altar match, I had to play REALLY safe and his attack was very on the point. You pointed out that he didnt spot many warp prism plays but do realise, he does not move his screen over to the place where my units are in order to prevent obvious maphack, so he's just relying on minimap. For this, he might miss those little things and he only need to notice the planting of the nexus and movement of the opponent's army( both big spots on the minimap.) Moreover, please look at his win rates, vs toss its really high and he beat many good toss players, but not even once had he won vs a high level terran or zerg. I am not saying he maphacks because of this, but since i have played him, I realise the timing and positioning of his army is really really good, the overall feel is just very different as compared to playing a normal terran player. Oh and remember the 2 immortal in the warp prism at the first map, he didnt scout at all before that, and he didnt move his units out a bit, but just nice when the warp prism is moving to his base, he walks to his 3rd and kills the prism. Anyways, its ok if u dont feel that he maphacks, but can more protoss that plays him post replays up?

[Nemo]

Originally Posted by ChoseN

I've played numerous terrans, and his scouting was really little, yet his timing is very on the point.

He scv scout and see the energy on Nexus or the 2ble gate and react accordingly. Look after that the very high number of time he scans during battles.
Tat taldarium altar match, I had to play REALLY safe and his attack was very on the point.[/QUOTE]
First one ?

Originally Posted by ChoseN

You pointed out that he didnt spot many warp prism plays but do realise, he does not move his screen over to the place where my units are in order to prevent obvious maphack, so he's just relying on minimap.

Believe me Map Hackers always react to those, even by reflex. Nearly always. He never reacted to even one of your warp prisms. He was completelly taken by surprise each time. That's very strong evidence he does not MH.

Moreover, please look at his win rates, vs toss its really high and he beat many good toss players, but not even once had he won vs a high level terran or zerg. I am not saying he maphacks because of this,

He might have a very good TvP. That's no way a evidence as you say.

but since i have played him, I realise the timing and positioning of his army is really really good, the overall feel is just very different as compared to playing a normal terran player.

Neither that.

Oh and remember the 2 immortal in the warp prism at the first map, he didnt scout at all before that, and he didnt move his units out a bit, but just nice when the warp prism is moving to his base, he walks to his 3rd and kills the prism.

lol, I haven't seen this the first time I watched it because I was in his vision and I don't think he was aware either that he destroyed it. I understand now why you had doubts about him. That move is suspicious indeed. But I think he was just clearing his 3rd just before taking it. I think you were just unlucky to get caught there with the 2 immortals in the Warp prism. But that's for sure a suspicious move by him.

Anyways, its ok if u dont feel that he maphacks, but can more protoss that plays him post replays up?

No problem. delete, Nirvana, TwooGee, or someone else could one of you double check please ? But I will need to be convinced with strong arguments anyway to put him on the shame list.

[TwoGee]

1st replay.
Cloud Kingdom - myfriend T vs ariexs P.

2:41 sent scv to scout toss.

3:11 probe sits at right xel'naga tower

3:54 spots x2 gateways/cybernetics core and 1 gas (NO EXPAND), also chronoboost on cybernetics.
4:12 reacts with x2 bunkers.

4:40 toss builds a pylon on terran's 3rd natural. (terran has 3 marines, a maphacker could easily take down that proxy pylon.)

5:23 spots stalker
5:30 pulls 3 scv to auto repair bunker, then idles scv at bunker.
5:50 sent an scv to scout around edge of base.

6:08 toss attacks bunker -> retreats after seeing the 2 bunkers.
6:23 pulls all scv/mules at natural as toss attacks.


8:19 toss army retreats back to base, (once again terran could've killed pylon and acted like it was a counter attack).
9:07 observer scouts terran's natural. (observer is unnoticed)
9:22 pulls all units out of bunkers.
10:05 AMOVE mmm army to T 3rd natural base, (auto intercepts warp prism).
My opinion on this is: based on the early attacks from that direction, terran want's to clear that area before flying his thrid OC.
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12:14 sends army to toss's 3rd natural base (nexus building)
12:55 attacks toss's 3rd expo.
My opinions on this is: he used his factory to scout main entrace. while having his army camp on the right (3rd expo), close enough to attack if no army and far enough to run should an army be present. coincidentally a nexus is in the process of building.

13:34 warp prism onto terran's 3rd base... (terran has 12 marines at base that could easily intercept and killed the prism if he was maphacking.)
15:59 factory scouts main army at 3rd base, mmmv army redirects to main entrance. (met with toss's main army losing all of that squad.

17:32 toss made a NINJA EXPO on the bottom right base... unprotected...!!!!!!! goes unnoticed.
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my conclusion is that he isn't map hacking in this match.
how ever the first prism intercept is highly suss because:
*he amoved there, (can be explain that he wanted to kill any toss units there while he focus's on switching tech.)

*he totally ignored the pylon that was there (can be seen on his minimap). should he be map hacking and trying to avoid suspicious by only looking on minimap. he would've seen the pylon and thought that he hasn't had vision of there yet therefore no action. (although it would seem that he doesn't regularly check his minimap and get tottally wrecked by drops.)

--- reviewing replay 2.
Tal darim Altar - ChosenOne P vs myfriend T

3:56 scout spots x2 gate, cybernetics core 1gas and chrono on gateway = quick stalker is coming.
4:22 stalker killed scv. scv saw the chronoboost on the cybernetics = warpgates..
5:04 builds bunker.
8:03 ok here is a big part. TERRAN was looking at rax... where observer was heading... invisible units are easy to spot if you happened to be looking at the same place where/when they're moving.
8:28 terran attacks observer.
8:52 observer returns to the same location, is unnoticed (remains there for whole game unnoticed).
11:12 scouting factory passes observer.
12:16 factory meets awaiting army, is killed before any build infomation is seen.
12:29 zealot goes to bottom xel'naga tower (remains untouched whole game, giving multiple advantages to toss.)
14:21 x2 dropship entering toss's base. (missed pylon at the edge, giving toss time to warp in.) this shows that he rarely checks minimap which cleared the other suspiction.
20:00 toss makes a 4th expo.

after the initial observer hunt, t missed the observer the second time round.
the zealot at the xel'naga giving toss an advantage during the engagements in the middle.
and the 3rd and 4th nexus were untouched as they were building.

in my opinion, he isn't maphacking. feel free to correct, im still new at this.