[ACL VaNzR]

Originally Posted by Unstable

Ok, i'll go out on a limb here and offer this co-operation between FXOpen and ACL and i'll leave the ball in your court

I'll offer FXOpen services/experience in the form of:

- our media exposure for ACL events
- Our stream/casters during the event as well to bring in additional viewers from our viewerbase
- I will consult with your production guys as the production is good now but can be much better, camera positions, bitrates/transitions etc
- our tournament admin help to reduce downtime (there was 0 downtime during our malaysian LAN)

Once again it's up to you, this is the scenario myself and boss thought up that we would help out as much as we could.

If you feel the necessity to help us, feel free to contact me privately.

[ACL VaNzR]

Originally Posted by iMSystem

We have ACL doing amazing...

That's it. Framing this.

Pleased System --> My work is done.

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iMSystem:

Haha! My only criticism is we didn't meet in Melb T_T

[inFeZa]

Eddie.... Ur such a boss omg

[MetroBNE]

Hello All,

I just thought i'd chime in with my opinion on this thread. This is technically my second post after being prompted to post on the introduce yourself thread but I wanted to post here primarily. I felt the need to post my reasons to join in that thread though the comments are more relevant to this thread so i've copied below those comments and added a few additional underneath.

"I was prompted to register for 2 reasons. After being a long time TL follower I stumbled acrose sc2sea a while back and have more recently started to read the forum, folllow the events and most recently watch streams - ACL Melbourne & xGTL.

What sparked my action to register was today reading the thread by Pig regarding this thoughts on FXOboss comments about the SEA scene and the debate that followed. One first time poster (Venture) gave an excellent summary of his experiences and i have to say mirror my own. After seeing there was a "PRACBUD" channel and my recent desire to start playing 1v1 i joined the room, introduced myself, asked if there was any willing takers for a practise partner only to be greeted with... politely put 'taints' for my choice of playing random, my league rank etc by some GM and what i've seen active sc2sea members.

I've enjoyed online games from my first RTS experiences with Age of Empires 2 to competitive CS at Brisbane LAN events. I loved the experience so much I even started working at my local LAN on weekends while at uni, help run events and just generally experience the great social side of the gaming community - something I wish I could say i've experience with SC2.

The second thing that prompted me to join was reading tonight a vroomvroomvroom topic on running/hosting a SC2 event which I thought was an amazing effort on his behalf and potential risk as his business that has no association or connection to esports. This prompted me to want to do something similar (and I i plan to PM him on his experiences after this) and not sit back when my position within a multinational franchise brand would allow me to perhaps not hold LAN events but with locations nationally offer perfect Barcraft venues.

I loved that involvement and community back from my CS days and my love of SC2 wants to experience it again. I might not be able to offer additional prize money, sponsorship or technical support but I want to do what I can to see the community & awariness of SC2 grow and with my business expertise and connections as an individual I want to do my part to see this"

So that leaves with me with where to start. I'm not sure who are the key people to talk to are, which community members are active and where they are located so if those who are i'd appreciate a PM/reply to post/email if you think the community could use something like this to help it grow.

Thanks, Met

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	nirvAnA:	yay this thread has unburrowed so many awesome members :)
	xGKingdelete:	♥

[PiG]

Thnx for posting MetroBNE feel free to add me on skype jared.krensel and i can point you towards some people/contacts to speak that stuff over with!

Unfortunately I think chat ingame is largely unused to meet new people due to the poor interface and as a result you get a lot of the bored younger guys idling in them waiting to troll or insult newcomers. To my knowledge pracbud is generally filled with really nice people but like in any channel it's only the evenings you get a good number of people actually in the channel. That being said I just re-read what you said and yeah I'm not sure im understanding if the responses were as negative as I thought from your post as you did say they were "politely put taints" which is a very odd expression. Do you just mean basically a bunch of the dudes in chat started acting like cocky nerds saying "ugh don't play random you won't improve" "lol i won't prac with you im gm" etc etc. ?

This is why joining a clan is vital to increasing your ingame experience. It's just like joining a club in terms of giving you a connection to other players and an expected level of behaviour so you can chat, find practice partners and improve at the game in a fun environment. The chat channels just aren't as active or friendly as in other games due to poor design and no ingame clan support.

I'm glad your passion for gaming and sc2 hasn't been dampened though. If it had I would be very sad. That's why I think it's vital to keep the forum free of the trolling and personal insults that can't be moderated on bnet.

Glad you've decided to put in a helping hand at such an exciting time for us I'm really excited to have another talented and passionate person join the community!

Thanks again for jumping in head-first Met!

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x5_Potter:

I think he means he putting it politely to say taints.

[Dox]

Originally Posted by Eddie

I can't speak for other competitions, but i want people to know they are watching SEA players when watching the Masters Cup.

The official title of the Masters Cup is SEA Masters Cup. As seen on our Wikipedia page, facebook, all event banners, threads, etc. Even our International versions are SEA Masters Cups.

Sometimes the event is called the Sc2sea Masters Cup. It is usually listed as such on the TL event calander.

Ah, I just meant the (short) name which appears in the TL Stream List, which is "Masters Cup." That's the only information people have when they click on it... or maybe I'm completely wrong, haha! Just going off memory.

[Eddie]

Originally Posted by Dox

Ah, I just meant the (short) name which appears in the TL Stream List, which is "Masters Cup." That's the only information people have when they click on it... or maybe I'm completely wrong, haha! Just going off memory.

You are correct, they require a shortened name for the live stream page, which like you suggested probably works in our favour, as isn't region specific. If people want to know more they either watch stream, click TL calendar link or wiki link.

[TAEaeron]

Originally Posted by MetroBNE

After seeing there was a "PRACBUD" channel

It's in my open channels and it's generally a good channel to be in as you can get practice games and such from it. I have meet some new people though simply playing practice games. There are heaps of people on here that will practice with you and most in-game ID's are in the title section of the posts they make and or the profile section.

Originally Posted by PiG

This is why joining a clan is vital to increasing your ingame experience. It's just like joining a club in terms of giving you a connection to other players and an expected level of behaviour so you can chat, find practice partners and improve at the game in a fun environment.

This also helps and if it is something that you want to do there are good sc2sea clans, that can be found in the top left of the page, they generally will post if they are recruiting but it never hurts to get to now the people in these clans, as you start to run into them on ladder.

Originally Posted by TAEaeron

PiG: nice thoughts, any idea of best way to reach other gamers?

No idea on this one I know it's not as easy as jumping on FB and/or Twitter. I know that most of my friends that play games don't specifically play SC2, but we can still chat about gaming in general. Maybe next barcraft (not sure if they have these in other gaming scenes) we could post on other forums or bring in other gaming circles via one means or another.

[PiG]

Originally Posted by TAEaeron

No idea on this one I know it's not as easy as jumping on FB and/or Twitter. I know that most of my friends that play games don't specifically play SC2, but we can still chat about gaming in general. Maybe next barcraft (not sure if they have these in other gaming scenes) we could post on other forums or bring in other gaming circles via one means or another.

We've talked a lot about promo vods at barcraft. I was thinking why don't we actually hand out leaflets with "WCS 10th August" and all the other info (do the same for ACL etc.) as many non sc2 gamers or casual sc2 gamers already are coming down to barcraft. It would potentially be not too difficult to find the details for IT, PC development and such societies, clubs and colleges at universities and private colleges and send the leaflets to them electronically and ask them politely to distribute it. For instance my housemate attends QuantM College studying Games Design and a lot of his friends are casual sc2 players and would probably be stoked to attend barcraft or a big event like WCS but as people who have no interest in partaking in the community they never hear about these events. Some regularly watch Day9 or MLG but that's about it. Perhaps distributing advertising to these colleges would be possible via email. It's a longshot but once this sort of communication is established it's bloody easy to continue it by just sending out email down established channels. Establishing this with university societies would be even easier, especially if they have public facebook pages.

Other ways to reach other gamers off the top of my head is just posts going up on big gaming websites. Getting players to win international events is the main way we can get that to happen as it suddenly becomes more newsworthy for gaming websites. That and personally contacting the editors and writers and interesting them in our scene.

The main thing is people having the balls to chase down niche leads which potentially can unlock avenues of communication to involve more and more players and fans. Even if most only get a few new people involved in the scene if people are trying then I think once in a while our networks will expand exponentially.

Perhaps events need to make some official posts for instance ACL saying "looking for marketing volunteers" and basically giving those who volunteer some suggestions such as those above and basically say, chase this down and try to get this flyer or this information out there! It would obviously require outgoing individuals but I think there's people in this community with the skills and attitude necessary just without these suggestions they don't realise they can help with this.

Also I believe ACL and whoever else needs to get a social media officer who's only job is basically to make sure every network is messaged and updated with scores and exciting results throughout the event to keep people updated and keep on advertising their product. To do this they need to not do it off the top of their head but slowly build on a list to make sure every network is bumped periodically. This would include posting results in threads across tl/reddit/sc2sea etc.


Oh btw just googled "teamliquid acl melbourne" and this was the only thread I found: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/view...opic_id=351205 was there no thread being updated during the event?

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Fenner:

too smart, piglet

[x5_dot]

I'm hoping to speak to Sydney Barcraft peeps about showing a WCS hype video there. Kablamo, who made this awesome video, has graciously agreed to work on it.

Having pamphlets to put up at barcrafts and even unis would also be a great idea. Just need the right person to get onto it (unless ACL/Dox already has one in the works).

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Fenner:

good shit

[Cordance]

Im thinking the larger lans should consider looking at creating a promo print out page. That anyone could ask to put in a gaming store/notice board. Possible with tear off strips at the bottom with entrance details. Similar to the classic notice board car sale page. Just a random thought to help get the word out about the community.

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x5_dot:

oooh tear off strips! good idea :)

[SLCNPezz]

This is a brilliant post, but I have to disagree on one thing.

SEA is not even close to NA in terms of average skill level, it took me one day and 20 games to get GM on SEA where-as on NA I haven't even gotten GM after 3 seasons of 800 games played a season...

I will however admit that Australia's "elite" are fearsome, I was so damn impressed at ACL, I knew you guys were good but heck I got pounded by some of you. Namely tgun, who impressed me beyond belief with his ling bling play in ZvP. I was also impressed by Mafia, Moonglade, TTpig etc... also lesser-known players like EveTechtron (he is super solid and will no doubt be an amazing player especially with his young age). But like I mentioned before, our ladder can't really be compared to NA's, the difference is just too big.

I really really want this community to grow after attending my first LAN and bearing witness to the great play at ACL, I feel the pros in this scene have so much to offer. I wish you the best of luck in your endeavors and will try to support the community to my upmost ability.

[Peleus]

In response to pezzaperry I would actually argue it's correct to say that there is very similar skill levels between NA / SEA ladders. The problem with directly comparing GM is this.

If SEA has 5000 active players across all leagues, GM being the top 200 represents the top 4% of players in SEA. If NA has say 45000 players across all leagues then GM represents the top 200 of those players, or in other words the top 0.4%.

Even if the skill level was identical across both ladders, you could be the top 1% on SEA (say top 50 GM) and not reach GM on NA because their top 1% are not in GM. Obviously the percentages are off because I'm picking the active player amount out of the air, but it's just to illustrate why you can't use GM as a direct comparison for skill.

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Asrathiel:

Yup was gonna say that

[aLtShortizz]

Originally Posted by MetroBNE

Hello All,


What sparked my action to register was today reading the thread by Pig regarding this thoughts on FXOboss comments about the SEA scene and the debate that followed. One first time poster (Venture) gave an excellent summary of his experiences and i have to say mirror my own. After seeing there was a "PRACBUD" channel and my recent desire to start playing 1v1 i joined the room, introduced myself, asked if there was any willing takers for a practise partner only to be greeted with... politely put 'taints' for my choice of playing random, my league rank etc by some GM and what i've seen active sc2sea members.


Thanks, Met

Slight derail~

PRACBUD was where i started too, I was bronze without a clue until i saw Frogmite and Knight's post on the Bnet forums. There used to be a great community there and people would generally give u a game and good advice if you asked politely. However, theres always 1 or 2 prick who would try to make you feel bad. Ive encountered quite a few of those who are also active members of this community, but that didnt stop me from making GM on SEA and NA. Im logging in much these days but AFAIK its still a very nice channel if you are looking to improve!

[PiG]

Originally Posted by pezzaperry

This is a brilliant post, but I have to disagree on one thing.

SEA is not even close to NA in terms of average skill level, it took me one day and 20 games to get GM on SEA where-as on NA I haven't even gotten GM after 3 seasons of 800 games played a season...

I will however admit that Australia's "elite" are fearsome, I was so damn impressed at ACL, I knew you guys were good but heck I got pounded by some of you. Namely tgun, who impressed me beyond belief with his ling bling play in ZvP. I was also impressed by Mafia, Moonglade, TTpig etc... also lesser-known players like EveTechtron (he is super solid and will no doubt be an amazing player especially with his young age). But like I mentioned before, our ladder can't really be compared to NA's, the difference is just too big.

I really really want this community to grow after attending my first LAN and bearing witness to the great play at ACL, I feel the pros in this scene have so much to offer. I wish you the best of luck in your endeavors and will try to support the community to my upmost ability.

I think most of our top players ladder almost entirely on other servers which is part of why SEA server is so much easier to get into GM. When I ladder SEA I get more of a spread of skill levels where if im playing at the wrong time I get masters players repeatedly and can still move up off that. It's a rather underpopulated ladder. But I log onto NA and often see names like Flaunt whom I never see active on SEA ladder hanging around in NA GM. It feels to me like there's probably hundreds and hundreds of players that span that skill level from high master through to gm on NA and yet reside in SEA somewhere.

I hope this is actually the case and not just the impression I get from finding their ladder really easy to deal with lately! You could be right though Pezza so if I'll keep in mind that there may be a big skill gap between our top top players and the rest of SEA. Thnx for sharing your view as a heavy NA ladder player.

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AxSGRiM:

+1

[iM yang]

Originally Posted by pezzaperry

This is a brilliant post, but I have to disagree on one thing.
SEA is not even close to NA in terms of average skill level, it took me one day and 20 games to get GM on SEA where-as on NA I haven't even gotten GM after 3 seasons of 800 games played a season...
I will however admit that Australia's "elite" are fearsome, I was so damn impressed at ACL, I knew you guys were good but heck I got pounded by some of you.

People aren't saying that low GMs on SEA are equal to NA players, they're saying that TOP SEA players like glade, mafia, targa, tgun, pig, rossi can compete with the top of NA.

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	AxSGRiM:	like yang
	Dox:	the top SEA players dont even play on SEA ladder

[MezjE]

Originally Posted by iM yang

People aren't saying that low GMs on SEA are equal to NA players, they're saying that TOP SEA players like glade, mafia, targa, tgun, pig, rossi can compete with the top of NA.

This.

Greater population = more pros
Smaller population = less pros

In general though the 'pro' level of skill remains consistent just the amount of people at the skill level varies, we see this in almost all sports Australia competes in. Also explains how you can be Silver SEA and Platinum NA as it works in reverse with lesser skilled players.

[UHF]

Originally Posted by PiG

Oh btw just googled "teamliquid acl melbourne" and this was the only thread I found: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/view...opic_id=351205 was there no thread being updated during the event?

You are correct. I actually talked about this in my blog videos, but had to cut it out as i went WAY too long. Basically ACL (especially Melbourne) hasn't been presented in a manner that leads into hype very well. A couple of searches on Reddit and TL lead you with some pretty un-inspiring results (top result on Reddit is Red Bull Battlegrounds).

The TL thread on ACL Melbourne was created on Sunday the weekend was on and contains no information at all about the event, had zero replies and a total of 80 views. If they don't have time to do it themselves I'll gladly help out, but last time I offered help I got ignored and they never got back to me.

I'm not having a go at ACL, just pointing out an example of where we can improve!

[iMSystem]

Looks like ACL need to hire someone to do PR? Oh you already have Takiah as PR? She needs some training...

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Dox:

big man

[NvRossi]

Originally Posted by iMSystem

Looks like ACL need to hire someone to do PR? Oh you already have Takiah as PR? She needs some training...

^thats some good PR for IM right there, how was your gigabyte tournament PR? oh....you need some training too buddy.


not the right way to go about being constructive buddy

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iMSystem:

;)