[Dox]

ACL League 3 (Melbourne) Overall Points Earned (15/16 Confirmed)

Player	Team	State	League 2 Points	Career Points	Attendance?
deth	Gamecom Nv	VIC	1420	3107	Confirmed
iaguz	Xeria Gaming	NSW	1074	3286	Confirmed
Dippa	Carnage	NSW	820	1754.8	Confirmed
Mafia	Team Immunity	NSW	750	3978	Confirmed
tgun	It's GoSu	NSW	750	3466	Confirmed
Light	Team Immunity	NSW	750	2239.5	Confirmed
mOOnGLaDe	Gamecom Nv	QLD	750	4950	Confirmed
PiG	Tt eSports	NSW	670	3982.8	Confirmed
Techtron	Eve	VIC	670	2334	Confirmed
YoonYJ	Gamecom Nv	ACT	670	1441.6	Confirmed
TargA	Mindfreak	QLD	670	2840	Confirmed
Rossi	Gamecom Nv	NSW	600	3361.2	Confirmed
Ninja	Sequential	NSW	600	3109.2	Confirmed
BiGBiRd	Teknicity	SA	600	1100	Confirmed
Pox	Time of Rising	VIC	600	600	Confirmed
EdgE	Carnage	SA	550	1641.2	Confirmed

Okay, so here's where we proceed from here:

1) Everyone I've bolded on the list above has 48 hours to confirm their participation at ACL Melbourne. You can do it here, via Skype, or via e-mail (d.reball@aclpro.com.au). Even if we've spoken about it prior to now, I still need you to confirm in writing. Once you confirm participation, it's locked in. Withdrawals will be subject to penalty.

2) Due to Dippa, iaguz & deth competing at multiple regionals, the points are a bit top-heavy, which has opened up availability at the lower end of the top 16. We have a five-way-tie for the 16th slot. Each of these players must confirm/decline their interest in participating in the ACL Melbourne Championship playoffs. Those who express interest will then play off against eachother in Bo3 group stages until a clear victor emerged. These games will most likely be on THIS Tuesday night.

3) In the event that any of the top 15 participants decline their invitations, the aforementioned slots will obviously increase.

4) I mentioned a while ago that the top 8 would be able to select their groups. Since the points are a tad distorted, we'll be allowing the top 11 players to pick their own groups.

If anyone has any questions, please don't hesitate to ask. I'll keep an eye on this thread over the next 48 hours. I'll check my e-mail hourly. I'm not available on Skype between 8:00AM & 8:00PM weekdays, but I'm online, so you can leave me a message and I'll check when I get home.

ACL League 3 (Melbourne) Qualifier Results:
Sydney Regionals
1st: iM.Mafia
2nd: Tt.PiG
3rd: SQL.Ninja

Melbourne Regionals
1st: Nv.deth
2nd: Eve.Techtron
3rd: ToR.Pox

Adelaide Regionals
1st: iM.Light
2nd: Nv.deth
3rd: Tek.BiGbiRd

Online Round
1st: GoSu.tgun
2nd: Nv.YoonYJ
3rd: Nv.Rossi

Brisbane Regionals
1st: Nv.mOOnGLaDe
2nd: Mf.TargA
3rd: xGKing.iaguz

Quick Comments

	Maynarde:	Nice! See ya theerrreee
	Sunset:	errmagerdd ayceeerrl perrrrnts ^_^

[BAD.BiGbiRd]

Comfirmedddddddddddddd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!

[nGenLight]

Bring.
It.
On.

[aLtNinja]

confirmed
asdasdasdasd

[dippa]

I'm coming 100%!~

[TAEdgE]

Confirmed for thingy !!!

[inFeZa]

WOOOOOOOOO THIS looks so SICK!
LEGIONNAIRE TOO WOWOWOW

[ROOT`iaguz]

Confirmed.

Quick Comments

	inFeZa:	YOU HAVE MY WORD....
	Champi:	AND MY AXE!!!

[NOM]

Would do the 1st seeded player, 11/10

Quick Comments

	TAEdgE:	godamnitnom
	inFeZa:	already did
	Dox:	mmmm yeh
	dippa:	2/10, lack of enthusiasm
	Maynarde:	elboys too pointy 2/10

[PiG]

I'll be there!

[syfMiley]

Confirmed 103%

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inFeZa:

not good enough

[Pox]

Confirmy-wormy.

[Dox]

Can someone please direct kez to this thread? I don't have him on Skype.

[HuT]

Confirmed.

[EveTechtron]

when do top 11 pick there groups for acl? does anyone know how that will work?
And how are the people who are attending GESC, attending ACL on the same Saturday? can anyone help me get to ACL after GESC ? Thanks!

[Dox]

At this stage we're looking at Wednesday night. I needed confirmation from people before I could go ahead and schedule it - and right now my biggest priority is locking in the 16th slot.

I seem to recall Tony mentioning that Immunity were going to try and arrange a bus to take people to ACL after GESC or something. Ideally, I'd really like to see everyone besides GLaDe/Mafia make their way over to ACL as soon as possible so we can get started on the Group Stages. Some people might not have to play until Sunday morning, but with such a hectic weekend, some mutual flexibility is going to be necessary.

See here for my proposed schedule:
http://www.aclpro.com.au/2012/events...-melb-schedule

[Dox]

Speaking of which, let's lock in the tiebreaker.

Tomorrow (Tuesday) night, 7:30PM AEST. Channel ACLPro.
EdgE, yang, HuT. I'll stream it.

Legionnaire and kez have until tomorrow afternoon to confirm whether or not they'll also be participating in this tie-breaker.

[syfChadMann]

In the schedule - what is meant by the 'Wild Card'...?

[Dox]

Ah. It means if we're horrifically behind schedule for some unexpected reason, we'll start at 9:15 on Sunday. Otherwise we'll kick off at 10:00AM as planned.

[SLCN.Kez]

I promote we implement a new tiebreaker rule, Player with highest career points gets the spot But if this rule fails indeed i shall be playing tomoz night!

[Dox]

Thanks for the swift reply.

Legionnaire has declined the slot, so it's just the four of you! See you tomorrow night!

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inFeZa:

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[TCPLemminks]

Awwwwwwwww

[syfChadMann]

how does this play off for the last spot work?..

Round Robin competition I'm guessing?..
a Bo3 each?.. or just Bo1? - and if it is Bo3 does it just count as a win or does the map score come into play also?

I'm sure you'll have all these details soon.. but just curious.

[Dox]

It says in the OP - Bo3 Group.

Map score & head-to-head results will be factored if absolutely necessary, but it shouldn't be. We'll play it out the same way ACL* does their groups.

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syfChadMann:

ohh.. I missed that.. >.>

[Dox]

Oh and to assist with transparency in future - I'll be converting my points spreadsheet to a google document so you guys can keep tabs on your progress any time you like, rather than getting updates at the end of each league.

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Dingobloo:

I like it!

[syfChadMann]

Originally Posted by Dox

We'll play it out the same way GSL does their groups.

but two get thru from GSL groups.. two games, then winner v winner/ loser v loser - would only need to play the Winner v Winner match to get the player going 2-0...? but then it comes down to the luck of the play your against 1st game... wouldn't a Round Robin > game then Map score to rank the top player...? with each set a Bo3?..

sorry just a bit confused..

[Dox]

I've begun contacting the players who will be selecting their groups. It'll go down like this:

• The bottom 4 (16, 15, 14, 13) have been placed in separate groups.
• The top seed (1) will determine where the 12th person will go.
• The last seed (11) will pick his own group.
• 10th, 9th and 8th will do the same.
• We continue up the list until everyone (7-1) has been slotted.
• Even though 16th hasn't been established yet, they have already been allocated a group. Be careful!

Originally Posted by cR.ChadMann

but two get thru from GSL groups.. two games, then winner v winner/ loser v loser - would only need to play the Winner v Winner match to get the player going 2-0...? but then it comes down to the luck of the play your against 1st game... wouldn't a Round Robin > game then Map score to rank the top player...? with each set a Bo3?..

sorry just a bit confused..

Oops, I meant to write "ACL", not "GSL", haha. Awkward. Reading a thread about GSL whilst writing a post about ACL = bad.

Here's a hypothetical scenario:

HuT 1-2 kez
yang 2-1 EdgE

kez 1-2 yang
HuT 0-2 EdgE

HuT 2-1 yang
kez 2-1 EdgE

In the above example, both kez & yang are tied 2-1 on matches (and 5-4 on map score), but since yang beat kez 2-1, he's awarded the 16th slot.

[iM yang]

gg thanks for playing guys, good to get the 16th spot

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TAEdgE:

you got me good T_T

[iM tgun]

How do you determine who is seed 4 from the 5-way tie?

[Dox]

Originally Posted by tgun

How do you determine who is seed 4 from the 5-way tie?

Read the thread!

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by Dox

Read the thread!

I meant the tie between myself, ray, glade, mafia -- how do you determine who is first out of us four (thus, fourth seed) as wouldn't they get an advantage over the others?

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inFeZa:

A wet shirt contest

[Dox]

Originally Posted by tgun

I meant the tie between myself, ray, glade, mafia -- how do you determine who is first out of us four (thus, fourth seed) as wouldn't they get an advantage over the others?

Ohh, right! Career points~

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by Dox

Ohh, right! Career points~

Why aren't career points then used to determine the tiebreak between the lower ranks? The difference between 4th and 7th is pretty big imo.

[Dox]

Originally Posted by tgun

Why aren't career points then used to determine the tiebreak between the lower ranks? The difference between 4th and 7th is pretty big imo.

They're used for all tiebreakers except 16th.

[iM MaFia]

Originally Posted by Dox

The bottom 4 (16, 15, 14, 13) have been placed in separate groups.
The top seed (1) will determine where the 12th person will go.
The last seed (11) will pick his own group.
10th, 9th and 8th will do the same.
We continue up the list until everyone (7-1) has been slotted.
Even though 16th hasn't been established yet, they have already been allocated a group. Be careful!

I thought the way GSL does it, they have the top 4 seeds in 4 different groups, then each one picks a player to go inside their group - then the next person in that group who got picked does the same, and so on?

Wouldn't this way be harsh for like say the top 2 seeds ultimately not getting to choose their groups but end up with the last 2 remaining spots? (Assuming its 4 players in 4 groups by the end of it )

[Dox]

I was originally gonna go with that, but the whole 11/5 & Open Bracket dynamic makes it pretty clunky. The groups won't necessarily be 4 in each once everyone is finished picking - Group C for example already has 6 people!

[iM MaFia]

6 people? ahh ill just wait till its announced or something kinda confused atm

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by iM Mafia

6 people? ahh ill just wait till its announced or something kinda confused atm

Count me in for the confused group.

[Pox]

wow, the confused group is stacked already

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TAEaeron:

Lol this is great

[Dox]

Originally Posted by iM Mafia

6 people? ahh ill just wait till its announced or something kinda confused atm

Remember at Gold Coast & Sydney? There were 6 people in each group.

[iM MaFia]

yeah i know theres going to be a total of 6 ppl in each group, i just didn't think one of them would be filled already?

[Dox]

I'm as surprised as you man. These people are brave/crazy!

[iM MaFia]

so there has already been at least 5 ppl who have picked their groups already?

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Dox:

Yep!

[mOOnGLaDe]

:O do i get to pick a group!

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Dox:

Yep!

[iM MaFia]

prob by the time we get to pick 2 groups would be full already

[dippa]

hang on a second.

i thought all the groups had two open slots for people qualifying from the open bracket - is this still the case, or is group c filled entirely with the people who were choosing their groups?

[BAD.BiGbiRd]

So we will find out about our groups with a few days to spare or the day before the event?? Also im gonna go out on a limb and say that everyone was eager to get into whatever group im in lol

[Pox]

Originally Posted by TekBiGbiRd

So we will find out about our groups with a few days to spare or the day before the event?? Also im gonna go out on a limb and say that everyone was eager to get into whatever group im in lol

I think the bigger incentive is to avoid all the scary names with the high seeds.

[ACL VaNzR]

I hate to come in here and be the bad guy, but I'd just like to make fully known this about the tournament:

IF WE ARE BEHIND TIME, GAMES ON SATURDAY WILL GO UNTIL 10PM.
IF WE ARE BEHIND TIME STILL ON SATURDAY, GAMES WILL START BY 9.15am SUNDAY.

NO GAMES WILL CONTINUE PAST 9PM ON SUNDAY.

We will do all we can to make sure everything is ready for a smooth schedule and changeovers between matches. You need to do your part and stick to the rules of the tournament set in place for you. Enjoy the competition and take in the social atmosphere, but if you are late for a scheduled game you will face forfeits.

Sorry folks, but we're not repeating Sydney

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inFeZa:

woooooooooooo

[x5_dot]

Originally Posted by ACL VaNzR

Sorry folks, but we're not repeating Sydney

Hallelujah!

[dippa]

Originally Posted by ToRPox

I think the bigger incentive is to avoid all the scary names with the high seeds.

you won't get a chance to avoid the scary names with the high seeds since the lower seeds that get to choose groups have to make their group selection first

also, hurrah @ putting a stopper on how much overtime there can be.

[Pox]

Originally Posted by dippa

you won't get a chance to avoid the scary names with the high seeds since the lower seeds that get to choose groups have to make their group selection first

They can't choose your group if it's already full.

[Dox]

Originally Posted by TekBiGbiRd

So we will find out about our groups with a few days to spare or the day before the event?? Also im gonna go out on a limb and say that everyone was eager to get into whatever group im in lol

I've been telling everyone that we'll broadcasting the group selection on Wednesday night, but some people are seriously taking forever to pick their groups. Like 8+ hours for some people. So hopefully they hurry up soon...

Originally Posted by dippa

hang on a second.

i thought all the groups had two open slots for people qualifying from the open bracket - is this still the case, or is group c filled entirely with the people who were choosing their groups?

I've reserved 1 slot in each group for the Open Bracket top 4 to pick from, the lower 4 are slotted in at random.

Originally Posted by ToRPox

They can't choose your group if it's already full.

That's pretty much the logic everyone went for. They wanted to stay away from the highest seeds, so they crammed themselves into the "low-seed" group, which includes some team kills.

[Maynarde]

Originally Posted by ACL VaNzR

IF WE ARE BEHIND TIME, GAMES ON SATURDAY WILL GO UNTIL 10PM.
IF WE ARE BEHIND TIME STILL ON SATURDAY, GAMES WILL START BY 9.15am SUNDAY.

NO GAMES WILL CONTINUE PAST 9PM ON SUNDAY.

Sorry folks, but we're not repeating Sydney

Does that mean ... I don't have to cast an all Zerg Ro8 @ 2am??

Quick Comments

	Dingobloo:	Only and all zerg Ro8 until 9pm!
	inFeZa:	(✌ﾟ∀ﾟ)☞

[Dox]

Originally Posted by Dox

Speaking of which, let's lock in the tiebreaker.

Tomorrow (Tuesday) night, 7:30PM AEST. Channel ACLPro.
EdgE, yang, HuT. kez. I'll stream it.

20 minutes to go!

[NDG.Stitch]

What legionnaire declined? :'(

[Dox]

Congratulations to cR.EdgE on taking the 16th seed by a single point. Here's the results:

HuT < kez
yang < EdgE
kez < yang
HuT < EdgE
HuT < yang
kez > EdgE

Map Scores
EdgE: 5-3
kez: 4-3
yang: 4-3
HuT: 2-6

Quick Comments

syfChadMann:

yay grats Cam.. close matches!! <3

[SLCN.Kez]

gg's yo gl edge!

[Dox]

Here's the groups revelation VOD if anyone is keen to watch it. Apologies for some of the audio during the player interviews, Skype is a PRICK.

http://www.twitch.tv/dox_au/b/323639976

+ [Show Groups] +

Group A: EdgE, tgun, mOOnGLaDe
Group B: Pox, Light, Mafia, Dippa
Group C: BiGbiRd, Rossi, TargA, YoonYJ, Techtron
Group D: Ninja, PiG, iaguz, deth

Groups with less than 6 players will be filled by Open Bracket Participants. 1 slot has been reserved in each group for 4 Open Bracket players to pick their groups. The rest will be allocated at random.

[inFeZa]

Oh My Each group looks imba....

My picks:

A: Glade / Tgun
B: Pox / Mafia
C: Targa/Techtron
D: Ninja / Pig

C what i did there ?

Quick Comments

	TAEdgE:	yeh, didn't include me ******
	SLCN.Kez:	i dun get it :(
	Maynarde:	ALL ZERGS NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[iMSystem]

C & D are nuts

Quick Comments

SLCN.Kez:

so A and B are boobs..? hehe

[Dox]

One last reminder that unless your name is mOOnGLaDe or Mafia, you should be making your way over to ACL on Saturday afternoon in order to play your group matches! As soon as the open bracket starts to empty out, we'll be seating people for their matches, so once you've finished with GESC please make your way over. I'll be in touch with the Nv guys throughout the day to update them on the progress of the open bracket, so you guys will know when you're needed at ACL.

[iMSystem]

Do the players need to be in the ACL venue to play their groups?

If time overlaps we can accommodate the players to play group games from GESC

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EveTechtron:

is there any transport being provided by gesc?

[Dox]

Originally Posted by iMSystem

Do the players need to be in the ACL venue to play their groups?

yeeeeeeeep

[iMSystem]

There will be no transport being organized by the GESC crew to transport players to ACL on the Saturday.

[x5_dot]

Originally Posted by iMSystem

There will be no transport being organized by the GESC crew to transport players to ACL on the Saturday.

LOL this is going to go well
Can I ask why not?

[Maynarde]

Google is your friend! http://www.melbournemaxitaxis.com.au/

How many people going? What time approx do you need pick up? There are specials and such and with that information can call for a quote and organize something here. I was under the impression GESC were organizing a bus but guess not, oh well.

[NvRossi]

Originally Posted by iMSystem

There will be no transport being organized by the GESC crew to transport players to ACL on the Saturday.

what about this post from sentinel?

http://www.sc2sea.com/showpost.php?p=102274&postcount=9

Originally Posted by Sent1nel

Organising some transport from GESC to ACL won't be a problem - we can cover that for players that require it.

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Maynarde:

Guess that's where I got that impression from!

[Mayo]

Maxi Taxi!

I have a car that can fit 5 people.. if all else fails I'll make a trip for free to get PiG/Dot (leaves 2 spots).
GESC is @ Monash yeah?

Quick Comments

	Maynarde:	Yep @ Monash
	inFeZa:	+1 Invisible rep point

[Dox]

Yep, Clayton. If the players co-ordinate and get a maxi taxi, it'll cost like $5 each, worst case scenario.

Quick Comments

inFeZa:

that's a good idea! Maybe need 2 of them or so~

[iMSystem]

We were initially going to organize transport for the players that are stuck in GESC finishing up their matches as the ACL starts Group play, therefore ACL won't be delayed and we can finish up here.

Originally Posted by Dox

Yeah, it's groups, so there's no strict structure. As soon enough people have been eliminated from the Open Bracket, we ask the seeded players to take a seat and started playing their Group matches. We'll work around the people who can't necessarily be there, no biggie.

Dox stated here that having a few guys in GESC that are still finishing up could play their ACL groups from our venue. In return for the favor we will transport the players to ACL once they are done with GESC.

Unfortunately due to Dox now saying that players have to be at the ACL venue to play the ACL group games, regardless of where they are in the GESC tournament we will not be offering the transport service.

Sorry if it stuffs up some of your plans, but plenty of guys will be going from GESC to ACL so I'm sure you can all organize sharing a ride / cab or something

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Maynarde:

Doesn't say anywhere that players could play groups from GESC?

[Dox]

Originally Posted by iMSystem

regardless of where they are in the GESC tournament

i don't remember saying that

[iMSystem]

Originally Posted by Dox

i don't remember saying that

You're right on that one, but I assumed that was the case.

So if we have players still in GESC and ACL groups start, will you allow them to play from the GESC Venue?

[inFeZa]

2 Protoss - REPRESENT.

[Dox]

I already answered that question with a no. I clearly said:

Originally Posted by Dox

once you've finished with GESC

[iMSystem]

So what if they aren't finished with GESC ?

[Dox]

Originally Posted by iMSystem

So what if they aren't finished with GESC ?

...then they'll stick around until they are finished? I don't understand where this sudden confusion is coming from.

[Dox]

Originally Posted by iMSystem

Dox stated here that having a few guys in GESC that are still finishing up could play their ACL groups from our venue.

Can you please link me to this statement? I can't seem to find it

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iMSystem:

Sad above that I assumed this was the case.

[iMSystem]

I get confused quite easily :S

To confirm;

Players who are still playing in the GESC Event the same time as the ACL group stage kicks off won't play their games (For ACL) until after they are finished in GESC and make their way over to ACL?

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Maynarde:

Correct!

[Dox]

Winner.

Quick Comments

	iMSystem:	Chicken dinner? :D
	inFeZa:	i'll have a chicken dinner

[EveTechtron]

cool cool, id be up for a maxi. just needed to clarify things

[Sent1nel]

At this stage no transport has been arranged based off discussions in a previous thread both myself and Dox posted in. Having said that, for players remaining until the conclusion of GESC I'll see what I can come up with.

Previous Discussion:

http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php...439#post102439

In relation to players needing to attend on Saturday night, I specifically asked this:

Myself:

So does that mean you don't run a fixed Pro-Bracket on the Saturday night? For example if player X, Y and Z are AFK they can still be playing on the Sunday morning?

Dox:

Yeah, it's groups, so there's no strict structure. As soon enough people have been eliminated from the Open Bracket, we ask the seeded players to take a seat and started playing their Group matches. We'll work around the people who can't necessarily be there, no biggie.

A Previous post by Dox:

As for the questions about group stages being postponed to Sunday, we have absolutely no reason to do this. There will be more than enough players at ACL who aren't participating in GESC to get games running after the open bracket starts to dwindle. Just like Gold Coast and Sydney - no changes whatsoever.

[Dox]

SundeR PM'd me a good question, so I'll post the answer up in here. For those of you who missed the schedule I posted earlier in the thread, this is the objective for Saturday morning:

10:00AM - I want to have most of the Open Bracket Registrations sorted
10:30AM - Last chance for Registration
10:40AM - Brackets published
10:45AM - Players seated
11:00AM - First broadcasted match will be live on stream, the rest should also be underway.