[VB_Rhuubarb]

'TA rep train' is sc2sea's version of artosis pylon. A term that was coined to a certain group, but is now done by anyone... so to speak. :P

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inFeZa:

11/10

[Zepph]

I don't think negative rep should be removed because some people get so uptight about losing brownie points on a forum. At the end of the day, if you make more quality posts than silly posts you will keep your good rep (and therefore your epeen if it matters that much to you). If you get a lot of negative rep perhaps you should be thinking about the manner in which you express your opinions, or whether or not your posts are actually relevant or accurate instead of getting upset that people seem to have ganged up on you.

I feel negative rep is a good way to signal to people what makes a good post or contribution to a discussion. Similarly, it can indicate a bad post or when someone is out of line in something that they have said when what they have posted doesn't constitute a ban or infraction.

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	syfChadMann:
	Bash:
	Fourby:	+1 for e peens
	TAEdgE:	Good post, be thankful you can't have an e-peen!
	NOM:	Listen to this chick, she knows her shit. :)

[TheGentleman]

Originally Posted by nirvAnA

Feedback during that time is welcome.

Did someone say... Feedback?



Also...

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	Rage:
	syfChadMann:	funny, but not actually relevant.
	VB_Rhuubarb:	Nice meme :D
	nirvAnA:
	Bash:	where art thou relevance
	neKo:	I want negative rep.
	FLuX:

[Rage]

personally i think rep in its entirety is silly and simply having a comment function for posts would suffice

but if we are going to have a rep system i don't see the point in neutering it by having only positive rep

[syfChadMann]

I absolutely agree with Zepph - I think the better option would be to moderate rep.. if the reason behind neg rep or positive rep is silly - then the rep-er should be warned or punished.If the Rep is based on opinion or a comment on the value of the post - then its fine.. if it is simply, 'I don't like you' or 'counter neg rep cause I do like you' they are both stupid reasons for giving any type of rep. They should be moderated, warned about mis-use of rep and penalty of rep being removed for a length of time.

[Bash]

Originally Posted by Zepph

I don't think negative rep should be removed because some people get so uptight about losing brownie points on a forum. At the end of the day, if you make more quality posts than silly posts you will keep your good rep (and therefore your epeen if it matters that much to you). If you get a lot of negative rep perhaps you should be thinking about the manner in which you express your opinions, or whether or not your posts are actually relevant or accurate instead of getting upset that people seem to have ganged up on you.

I feel negative rep is a good way to signal to people what makes a good post or contribution to a discussion. Similarly, it can indicate a bad post or when someone is out of line in something that they have said when what they have posted doesn't constitute a ban or infraction.

This, x1000.

Although i do think it does need to be moderated alot more strictly, some people put outright insults as a comment on their neg-rep, instead of anything useful, (IE "Go die"), i know they dont seriously want someone to die, but there needs to be a bit more concensus on what is acceptable and what is not.

People should rep a Post , because its a positive contribution to a thread, instead of +/- repping a person , because you do/dont like them.

[iMSystem]

Originally Posted by TheGentleman

Did someone say... Feedback?
Images..

This is what I feel Neg rep is needed for, posts like these don't help with the discussion at hand and shouldn't need to be posted. Sure it is funny, and witty, but is completely irrelevant.

Originally Posted by cR.ChadMann

I absolutely agree with Zepph - I think the better option would be to moderate rep...

Moderating rep seems like a huge waste of manpower IMO.

If you are now needed to have moderators go through all rep comments then the whole system has failed.

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	nirvAnA:	System I think thegentleman was just trying to get the topic back on track - the feedback
	Bash:
	Carnifex:	Nirv; It added absolutely nothing of value to the thread.
	neKo:	Nirv, system is right.
	Fourby:	Nirv; my rep comment is pointless
	inFeZa:	agreed
	Dox:	Nirv; i am batman

[Rage]

i dont think anyone expects super thorough moderation. if a mod happens to catch a silly neg rep in his normal course of duties, he can nab it.

[syfChadMann]

Originally Posted by System

Moderating rep seems like a huge waste of manpower IMO.

If you are now needed to have moderators go through all rep comments then the whole system has failed.

indeed, but I think if there was a system where if someone felt they received an in-appropriate rep, they could refer it onto a mod - along with enough notification that miss use of rep will be punished - people will refrain from making stupid rep comments - at the moment I see the moderation of rep seriously missing the point, some users have received forum bans, some for similar or worse rep comments have received nothing. This is the biggest problem with the rep system - Along with people that are too angry about what someone says on the Internet.

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	iMSystem:	Sounds good to me - A report button might be enough then
	Zepph:	yeah

[TASlowHands]

If I were to call out a whole team or clan out on there actions and generalise, I'd expect to incur the scorn of the entire clan. Maybe some people need to start calling out individuals and not 'Teeeeee ayyyyy'

Then you wont have lots of people mad at you and get all sad and shit

[TheGentleman]

Originally Posted by System

This is what I feel Neg rep is needed for, posts like these don't help with the discussion at hand and shouldn't need to be posted. Sure it is funny, and witty, but is completely irrelevant.

Moderating rep seems like a huge waste of manpower IMO.

If you are now needed to have moderators go through all rep comments then the whole system has failed.

Whilst I agree that my previous post was a little off topic, it is sometimes the off topic posts that make a forum a more enjoyable place. But I disagree that neg-rep is required for that post.

As for the rep system itself. I don't believe that the rep system is necessarily flawed... it has benefits and the comments that are made regarding some posts through the "rep" system are often helpful.

I propose an alternative:

Don't remove the ability to like/dislike/neutral rep BUT don't have these values shown to the public. In this way the "reps" refer to single posts only and can still be used by mods and admins to identify helpful members of the community.

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	nirvAnA:	This is really interesting!
	inFeZa:	nah i like the funny comments
	neKo:	But that means you are taking away the original reason for rep comments.

[ToR.Arnor]

Just get rid of the system entirely imo, itll just become a circle jerk (pretty much there already), I dont see why we need a system like this? Sure its cute and fun, but like all rep systems it gets abused, and eventually does more harm than good.

People who continually post good content will still have a big epeen regardless of their rep score because people will see them do it, the people who post brainless dribble may actually have their epeen reduced because they wont have their mates up voting it, sure I dont care about epeen and perhaps many others here do not either, but there are obviously some who do.

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	Carnifex:	This. If anything just keep the comment system open and change the image for it.
	Zepph:	valid points :3
	TAEdgE:	agreed

[iMSystem]

Originally Posted by TheGentleman

Don't remove the ability to like/dislike/neutral rep BUT don't have these values shown to the public. In this way the "reps" refer to single posts only and can still be used by mods and admins to identify helpful members of the community.

I think this was brought up before, but like you said, I rekon we ditch the entire numbers thing and just have the ability to comment on a post, and that is it.

Use this badboy for everything and have no +/- reputations anymore.

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FLuX:

I like this one.

[nirvAnA]

Certain stuff I can limit are

Number of reps given per day (Might make people spend it carefully)
Number of reps given before given to the same person again

The idea of the rep system initially was to encourage people to post valuable stuff, and collect brownie points which isn't really worth a lot but its at least tangible and I know it spurred on a lot of people to spend more time to make good posts. I think the problem here is with the neg rep.

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Zealo:

[syfChadMann]

Originally Posted by nirvAnA

Certain stuff I can limit are

Number of reps given per day (Might make people spend it carefully)
Number of reps given before given to the same person again

The idea of the rep system initially was to encourage people to post valuable stuff, and collect brownie points which isn't really worth a lot but its at least tangible and I know it spurred on a lot of people to spend more time to make good posts. I think the problem here is with the neg rep.

how about limiting the number of neg reps given to a post/ or up reps.. sure there are some posts that everyone loves to content of and should be celebrated - like when dox announces another huge event supporting the community - that guy deserves it..

but if circle jerks and rep trains are an issue.. limit the number of +/- reps available - after all, I think people get the idea that their post was stupid with 2 or so neg reps.. then a bunch of neutral reps saying - 'bad post big boy'..

[Fourby]

Originally Posted by TheGentleman

I propose an alternative:

Don't remove the ability to like/dislike/neutral rep BUT don't have these values shown to the public. In this way the "reps" refer to single posts only and can still be used by mods and admins to identify helpful members of the community.

Wow, This is actually pretty smart.. So basically leave comments and take away the faces?

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TheGentleman:

More or less.

[TheGentleman]

Originally Posted by TheGentleman

Don't remove the ability to like/dislike/neutral rep BUT don't have these values shown to the public. In this way the "reps" refer to single posts only and can still be used by mods and admins to identify helpful members of the community.

For clarity... this is my suggestion:

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	nirvAnA:	hmmmmm so it becomes like a mini forum discussion
	iMSystem:	To be honest, it's obvious which comments are + and which ones are - :: Still an interesting idea
	TAavanar:	love the idea
	dippa:	sick idea
	Zepph:	I like this
	Zealo:	yay i get to be an example! :)
	BaKaiNu:	But I like the faces!

[Zealo]

i get neg repped as much as anyone, usually it's because i've actually posted something retarded without thinking. i've edited or removed posts pretty quickly based on rep comments more than once.

sometimes it's bullshit like chadmann saying "because you neg repped me!!!" but i'm not going to get upset about that, the ability to neg rep is still a good thing i think, if someone doesn't like me/what i post i'd rather know about it. anyone who get's upset about a downvote they feel they didn't deserve is probably sensitive enough to get upset about something else stupid anyway.

[mGGDaedalus]

Whenever I'm about to post a rep comment I look at myself in the mirror and try to pick the face that closest resembles mine.

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RicocheT:

There's no smiley face for an ugly person like you though...that's why you never post rep comments

[Shieldz]

no neg rep is better but yeah rep system isnt that useful