[x5_Bard]

i think alwaysdry is saying that tot always had suspicions that chobo was a smurf from 1 year back. I highly doubt they knew the information that came to light recently

[FaDeHellfyre]

I'm not saying that they knew, that would be too much to assume. Even bringing up a suspicion though would have made the whole process a lot easier and quicker for a lot of people.

considering that as soon as the suspicion and analysis came out, both parties concerned admitted to everything.

[nirvAnA]

I think some of ToT actually knew about it, since I heard one of their star players did help level up his account on ladder, as did another up and comer from another team. I guess they just didn't wanna be involved in it, which brings me to my next point. If thats the case why reveal it now? Not the wisest move, and any anonymous tips like the one i received which lead to us uncovering the evidence would have been very helpful and saved us a lot of time.

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FaDeHellfyre:

for saying what i'm trying to, but much much better :P

[alwaysdryToT]

We didnt know he smurf in tournament，thought only on ladder games. and we tried to expose him before but someone come to stop us.

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	TCPLemminks:	EXTRA DRAMA? WHO?
	nirvAnA:
	FaDeHellfyre:	thanks for clearing that up :)

[Cyanide]

I think we should not press on any further. The case has already been closed.
Just let it be known that if you wanted to stay anonymous, you could always PM the admins. I'm sure they will hold that information as well as your identity with discretion.

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nirvAnA:

Yup, thats exactly what happened with the tip we got :)

[alwaysdryToT]

The only reason I expose it so late is I just know it today. haha, no more extra drama, end of story

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	seminaked:	sb老干
	AlopexToT:

[SmirkToT]

i somehow know it for a long time
but no proof. (what kice was acting before obvious evidence?)
its just rossi too gosu(found he was following seohyoen in twitch account)

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AlopexToT:

[deL]

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Snx.FigJig:

how long did it take to find this one? good work m8!

[breadfan]

Haven't had the chance to talk to CHoBo but given what he's posted, I don't think I need to.

Just wanted to add that I feel really let down personally, as someone who 1) paid for coaching from him, and 2) recommended his coaching to others. Back when this was a question of him hacking, I was ready to jump in and make a post backing him up - I didn't think he was a hacker. Given the outcome though, I'm glad not to have thrown in my support. I mean, cheating is cheating.

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nirvAnA:

[BalloonSPR]

LOL stupid;

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	syfChadMann:
	deL:

[Kepler]

It's still very surreal to know someone personally that was embroiled in so much drama.

I'm glad that Nirvana and Iaguz, among others, took their time with analysis and allowed the actual truth to come to light.

[deL]

I'd like to see CHoBo banned until he refunds all of his coaching students or at least donates the money he made from it to sc2sea to go back into the community.

[breadfan]

Originally Posted by ChesthairMcBiceps

I'd like to see CHoBo banned until he refunds all of his coaching students or at least donates the money he made from it to sc2sea to go back into the community.

That's not really fair. Having a punishment that applies for tournaments for cheating in tournaments is pretty reasonable to me

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nirvAnA:

Yeap, same thing we did for the map hackers caught

[TAminimat]

I agree with del, at least a forum ban.. People like targa get bans for harmless trolling, chobo does this shit and a week after he is on here trolling.

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nirvAnA:

lol @harmless - if it offends masses of people it needs a change from him not them.

[syfChadMann]

Originally Posted by breadfan

That's not really fair. Having a punishment that applies for tournaments for cheating in tournaments is pretty reasonable to me

What is a suitable punishment for cheating coaching students?.. The guy was a lying little worm that took people's money based on a lie!?!!...

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TAavanar:

i agree with chad and del on this

[souljah]

Originally Posted by breadfan

That's not really fair. Having a punishment that applies for tournaments for cheating in tournaments is pretty reasonable to me

Thing is, when Seohyeon smurfed laddering for him, it got him so high in GM ranking that Chobo was actually made a GM Manual coach. In this, he not only "stole" money from tournaments in having seohyeon play for him in Masters Cup, but also in getting money from the community in coaching, when he clearly isn't at said level1

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	AsGNabi:	chobo was gm before seo was laddering him fyi
	syfChadMann:	Counter - yo

[Bash]

Originally Posted by souljah

Thing is, when Seohyeon smurfed laddering for him, it got him so high in GM ranking that Chobo was actually made a GM Manual coach. In this, he not only "stole" money from tournaments in having seohyeon play for him in Masters Cup, but also in getting money from the community in coaching, when he clearly isn't at said level1

People did recommend his coaching to others though, maybe his credentials werent legit, but he did have some happy students that obviously enjoyed the experience, so he must've been coaching alright, and if anyone was displeased with it then i suspect they wouldve come forward and said so,

Not saying he didnt dick everyone around way too much, but he did provide a service to those he coached.

+1 to forum ban though, atleast for a little while.

[CHoBo(kice)]

I will happily take a forum ban if that is what everyone wants.

[TADivinity]

Originally Posted by AsGCHoBo

I will happily take a forum ban if that is what everyone wants.

It doesnt matter if you take the overall punishment happily or not, just know youre obviously being punished.

I came to say that this kid should be IMMEDIATELY banned from forum posts. This thread http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=4962 shows his pure immaturity and I think real attitude towards the matter.

I'd also like to add that I think when smurfing where money is involved - this is far more serious than map hacking on ladder, or even in a tournament. Mafia etc cited the mental elements that go into big games, that simply dont exist when someone smurfs.

Furthermore, it frustrates me that vVvseohyeon enters with broken english and receieves a tonne of sympathy. HE WAS HERE TO UNFAIRLY TAKE MONEY FROM OUR OWN PLAYERS - and we gain ZERO advantage of having some SEA exposure from good Koreans playing.

He would have happily taken our money without a worry, and there is no doubt in my mind Chobo would have seen some of this.

I am in a total burn-the-witch state of mind on this one - please dont become sympathetic when deciding the length of punishment

[NvRossi]

Originally Posted by AsGCHoBo

I will happily take a forum ban if that is what everyone wants.

you act like people give a shit about your opinion

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	Criven:	Take the high road.
	TAEdgE:
	CHoBo(kice):	>.>
	TAavanar:	LOL