[Peleus]

Originally Posted by AsGCHoBo

That doesn't look accurate to me? 6k games in GM? is that even possible? sc2ranks glitch? I know season 6 and stuff shows earliers season... dunno

No it's not a glitch, once you reach GM the only way out is through bonus pool accrual, no matter what your MMR. Are you saying definitively that you never played that many games, clearly you'd remember right?

[SanG]

Originally Posted by AsGCHoBo

That doesn't look accurate to me? 6k games in GM? is that even possible? sc2ranks glitch? I know season 6 and stuff shows earliers season... dunno

looks like portrait farming, it's not a evidence of hacking tho. Tonne of people do it legit, i know few people who i believe are not hackers and have farmed

[TAriiChard]

who's email bombing Chobo?

[Sedz]

Originally Posted by cR.ChadMann

Okay - so I'm confused about one thing. That has been thrown around the TA Skype chat.
http://app03.sc2ranks.com/sea/39803/AsGCHoBo/season/2

Thats 6k games in less than three months.
Season Two: 29 March 2011 - 26 July 2011 (Season two lock began on 5 July 2011).

about 50 games EVERY DAY.. now someone doesn't do that. That is impossible.. Unless you have steel wrists and no life, thats impossible.

So it suggests bot farming?.. using hack programs to farm games for you?.. I'm guessing to unlock some cool in game portraits.. right?

Apparently these Bot Farming programs come from the same sites as the game hacks.. If someone is willing to download bot farming software, they would be exposed to the hack software? - from there its only a short jump - 'I have all the portraits now, why don't I get #1 GM'...

Sure there is assumptions being made here - but it's more pieces to a pretty damning puzzle. Personally I think its clear cut. Unless you are willing to come to a live event and play at this skill level your a hacker in my eyes. There is too much evidence.

Too much evidence? There is a bunch of baseless claims with absolutely no justification or logic then there's a really good claim by Mafia which also has counter arguments just as good.

Also, you're quoting things from a year ago, you cannot be seriously be using that as any kind of evidence for hacking, especially games played.

Also, this has escalated so ******* far, as soon as you get people spamming emails and interfering in personal life it just gets ******* ridiculous. I seriously hope something is being done about this.

EDIT: There's absolutely no reason for me to take this lightly when I am Clan Captain of AsG and I have to read a bunch of retarded stuff by bandwagoner's. Cmon dude, if this was your clan you'd be doing the same.

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	TABiggun:	They arnt bandwagoners, they are making analysis retard

[Kepler]

I'm trying to remain as impartial as possible. I think there's some pretty serious evidence here, but I think the people personally attacking him and spamming his email account have absolutely no class. This is absolutely ridiculous and unfair to come to such a quick judgement of someone.

Some people in this thread need to grow up and not act like a bunch of angry teenagers accusing someone of hacking because they got killed by them.

Just because he portrait farmed in 2011 to get a portrait doesn't mean he's hacking, if anything they're completely irrelevant to each other. Lots of people will purposely tank their rating to bronze in order to farm wins.

[junitor]

well, all i am an amateur, all i can do is

http://i.imgur.com/5u5Ub.gif

well done.

Sarah

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[TAScaramanga]

I thought Rossi had this case closed? How can the evidence given be refuted?
Clear screen lock timings, different viking pathings that manage to directly target 4 overlords (the second example has him hovering his rally OVER 2 OVERLORDS deciding what path to take) and whats been dubbed the pull back of the century. I don't understand how this has been glossed over so easily...........

[TABiggun]

No evidence? Noone has even discussed my claim that he randomly looks into the main and natural on the Shakuras game at 5:30.

Why would you randomly do that? He selected all his scvs then looked into the main and made no actions, then looked over to the natural.

Edit: This is in the replay of chobo vs Mafia on shakuras plateau

[AxSGRiM]

Originally Posted by junitor

well, all i am an amateur, all i can do is

http://i.imgur.com/5u5Ub.gif

well done.

Sarah

I'm not sure If I've seen anything more pointless.

[Peleus]

Originally Posted by Sedz

Too much evidence? There is a bunch of baseless claims with absolutely no justification or logic then there's a really good claim by Mafia which also has counter arguments just as good.

There is plenty of justification and logic, and not really reasonable explanations. Several high level Terrans have said how insane the turn around is on Shak (Rossi, Iaguz etc) yet his response is he just wasn't sure. Pathing changes of units to react to incoming unseen things (lings coming to scout etc) haven't been explained. Sending token scouting units and staring at the just before they scout what you know there (SCV into the lings at the 4th in Mafia's vod) with the only explanation being perhaps there was nothing else to do is a co-incidence to many in the big picture.

Originally Posted by Sedz

Also, you're quoting things from a year ago, you cannot be seriously be using that as any kind of evidence for hacking, especially games played.

I agree that portrait farming hasn't got any real impact on it, I'm just curious as to why Chobo is calling it a bug in sc2ranks, I mean it's not like you forget playing 6000 games?

Originally Posted by Sedz

Also, this has escalated so ******* far, as soon as you get people spamming emails and interfering in personal life it just gets ******* ridiculous. I seriously hope something is being done about this.

I agree, whoever is emailing, stop it.

Edit: Seconding this as another example.....

Originally Posted by TABiggun

No evidence? Noone has even discussed my claim that he randomly looks into the main and natural on the Shakuras game at 5:30.

Why would you randomly do that? He selected all his scvs then looked into the main and made no actions, then looked over to the natural.

Edit: This is in the replay of chobo vs Mafia on shakuras plateau

[Sedz]

Originally Posted by TABiggun

No evidence? Noone has even discussed my claim that he randomly looks into the main and natural on the Shakuras game at 5:30.

Why would you randomly do that? He selected all his scvs then looked into the main and made no actions, then looked over to the natural.

Edit: This is in the replay of chobo vs Mafia on shakuras plateau

I had a look at this, he looks briefly into the main for two seconds, and the camera stops on the un-taken gas. As I said before, surely the hack would centre directly onto the Baneling nest, and not so far away from it?

Can someone confirm?

[NvRossi]

who the **** would even email bomb, can we see some proof of this?

[NvRossi]

Originally Posted by Sedz

Too much evidence? There is a bunch of baseless claims with absolutely no justification or logic then there's a really good claim by Mafia which also has counter arguments just as good.

love it when a masters player tells me my claims are baseless and have no logic.

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[syfChadMann]

Originally Posted by Sedz

Too much evidence? There is a bunch of baseless claims with absolutely no justification or logic then there's a really good claim by Mafia which also has counter arguments just as good.

Also, you're quoting things from a year ago, you cannot be seriously be using that as any kind of evidence for hacking, especially games played.

Also, this has escalated so ******* far, as soon as you get people spamming emails and interfering in personal life it just gets ******* ridiculous. I seriously hope something is being done about this.

I have nothing to do with the email spamming - and quite frankly I think it is a stupid thing to be doing to someone.

Evidence - yes.. he's game sense is too good, he doesn't come to LANs, has portrait farmed using and automated bot (link to hacking), has not addressed the accusations, magically finds units on the map.. what I'm saying is - there is so much suggesting it, that it seems so obvious.. but the only true test is if he can perform while streaming or at LAN. He is listed as a streamer - and until he can upload a SpeedTest that shows he can't stream - I'd like to see him stream a bunch of his ladder too.. this is why he needs to do to clear his name.. but for me, the amount of evidence, it seems too much to overlook - imo, the ball is not in his court to clear his name.

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Champi:

i agree with this

[Sedz]

Originally Posted by NvRossi

love it when a masters player tells me my claims are baseless and have no logic.

I love it when you disprove me. Go ahead and tell me where I was blatantly incorrect?
I couldn't care who you are, but some of the shit you said was plain retarded.

@ ChadMann

While I will admit he hasn't really come to LANs, and yeah, he does have a lot to prove off-line wise, I still think people should lay off so aggressively accusing until we actually have an executive decision by people who are in no way related to this community.

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	TABiggun:	Why do people think they can just come in here and say shit to the people who have done extensive analysis, without logi
	mGGAequitas:
	mGGDaedalus:	i respect standing up for your player but theres better ways to go about it
	Synizta:	Diffrence between defending your player and then shit on what other people are saying.
	neKo:	read the thread mate
	Champi:	ur trying so hard to defend a clanny that its blinding your judgement

[NvRossi]

good bloody troll

[CHoBo(kice)]

It just doesn't make sense, I cant explain things that don't make sense.

I spent all afternoon replying all accusations, its really going nowhere but around in a circle. Some believe, some don't. I guarantee otherwise then others guarantee for.

Do you know how time consuming this is? I wasted an entire afternoon because of this crap.

I am officially finished with replying to shit talk.

gl hf sc2sea

PS: ty to all those who supported me and believe in finding the truth, I ensure to you that I was honest and did not hack in games accused off. Really appreciate for you guys put in the effort to analyse the games and had unbiased opinions.

to those who sent childish lowlife emails to me and the person who email bombed my email. GROW UP

[TAriiChard]

Chobo who is emailing you!!! Tell us!!!!

[x5.Revenant]

Originally Posted by Sedz

I love it when you disprove me. Go ahead and tell me where I was blatantly incorrect?
I couldn't care who you are, but some of the shit you said was plain retarded.

Just because you're his clan leader, doesn't entitle you to call another person's writeup "plain retarded". You ask him to "tell you where you were blatantly incorrect", yet you go on to state that "some of the shit (a.k.a. not stating which specific info that he listed out)he said was plain retarded". See the irony?

[Sedz]

Originally Posted by Revenant

Just because you're his clan leader, doesn't entitle you to call another person's writeup "plain retarded". You ask him to "tell you where you were blatantly incorrect", yet you go on to state that "some of the shit (a.k.a. not stating which specific info that he listed out)he said was plain retarded". See the irony?

If you read my write up I did on what Rossi said, I indirectly say this is illogical and stupid, and he has thrown an insult at me, and I'm asking him to back it up now. He starts throwing around leagues like it's supposed to mean something, and if it does, why doesn't he prove it means something by saying where I was wrong in my initial analysis?

Heads up, I didn't call it all plain retarded, in fact, some of the points were well picked out, I said some of the points.

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