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Cute · Fri, 11th-Mar-2011, 2:34 PM

Yesterday heralded the Australian release of the latest installments in the Pokémon franchise, Black and White. To my shock and horror (disgust even?), sc2sea had no appropriate thread to discuss everyones favorite little critters, so here it is:

THE (COMPLETELY UN-)OFFICIAL SC2SEA POKEMON DISCUSSION THREAD

Discuss the games, manga, collectibles, hell, all things Pokémon here! (Except the anime, let's not go there)

Who's got the new games? Favorite Pokémon/generation? Anyone played competitively?

In case you've been living under a rock for the past decade or so here's a link to the wiki page
Pokémon wiki

Also good sites for detailed information about the games/competitive scene
Serebii
Smogon University

More awesome related material:

You will never, ever be this happy

Pokémon, What Happened To You?

Happy posting!

EDIT: If you can think of anything Pokemon related that needs to be added to the OP (good videos/links) let me know and I'll update it!

PROTIP: To get the badass é used in the word 'Pokémon', hold down the alt key and press 1,3,0 (in that order) on the numpad

EveJeonSa · Fri, 11th-Mar-2011, 7:33 PM

gotta catch em' all

**cure** · Sat, 12th-Mar-2011, 5:12 AM

Omg, brings back so much memories !

**JacziE** · Sat, 12th-Mar-2011, 5:48 AM

I only played one Pokemon (on a emulator no less on my PC) so I can't contribute as much to the thread :<

UncleTom · Sat, 12th-Mar-2011, 8:13 AM

Pokemon yellow is the best of the games because you start with a pikachu and compare that to the repetitive starters kind of silly but also cause the elite four was like lvl 76 and now the games elite four is like level 50 max, modern games makes you wounder and you could catch all the starting pokemon before the 3rd gym, that is kind of bad ass, not going to lie.

Cute · Sat, 12th-Mar-2011, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by UncleTom

Pokemon yellow is the best of the games because you start with a pikachu and compare that to the repetitive starters kind of silly but also cause the elite four was like lvl 76 and now the games elite four is like level 50 max, modern games makes you wounder and you could catch all the starting pokemon before the 3rd gym, that is kind of bad ass, not going to lie.

Pokemon Yellow was incredible, except that stupid Pikachu refused to evolve. Still, Gold/Silver are the best yet. I'll see if I still think that way after Black, which is supposed to be the hardest yet.

Tell you who was badass?

Alakazam. Used this guy in pretty much every game.

**cure** · Sat, 12th-Mar-2011, 10:29 AM

Imo, Red/Blue/Green were the best versions, you could do the rare candy cheat and get everything to 99 xD

Cute · Sat, 12th-Mar-2011, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaz

Imo, Red/Blue/Green were the best versions, you could do the rare candy cheat and get everything to 99 xD

But that's no fun :P
Yeah, lot's of people like the first generation best. I guess it's just for nostalgia sake, cause Gold/Silver/Crystal improved upon them in every way

**cure** · Sat, 12th-Mar-2011, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Cute

But that's no fun :P
Yeah, lot's of people like the first generation best. I guess it's just for nostalgia sake, cause Gold/Silver/Crystal improved upon them in every way

As if ! Gold/Silver destroyed pokemon! I remember the good ol' days , playing red/blue. Yellow was fine, but i didn't like the fact that i pikachu never evolves. Also, i don't think you can do the missingno cheat , or clone pokemons in yellow. Red/Blue was where the fun was at ! Rare candy your pokemons to 99, then battle with other players

Paroxysm · Sat, 12th-Mar-2011, 10:42 AM

My favourites would have to be Gold/Silver/Crystal, closely followed by Yellow version. Gotta love that pikachu!

mustapusta · Sat, 12th-Mar-2011, 1:39 PM

i'm not sure if i'll be going off-topic, but here's some pokemon horror stories.

You Tube

and i'm probably gonna get black/white to play when it comes out soon. leaning more to black.

Cute · Sat, 12th-Mar-2011, 4:49 PM

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Originally Posted by mustapusta

i'm not sure if i'll be going off-topic, but here's some pokemon horror stories.
horror stories

and i'm probably gonna get black/white to play when it comes out soon. leaning more to black.

I'm going to have nightmares now

I got Black version. Pretty damn awesome so far!

EveJeonSa · Sun, 13th-Mar-2011, 12:15 AM

Moment of silence for yet another creator of pokemon has died. This one because of the Earthquake

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/1219...ok-twitter.htm

I cant catch them all now

Cute · Sun, 13th-Mar-2011, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by derpy

Moment of silence for yet another creator of pokemon has died. This one because of the Earthquake

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/1219...ok-twitter.htm

I cant catch them all now

Don't scare me like that!
And even if he did die, Pokemon will live on forever in our hearts

LennX · Sun, 13th-Mar-2011, 12:19 AM

Uhmm it has already been proven to be a hoax.

EveJeonSa · Sun, 13th-Mar-2011, 10:20 AM

aw dam false info

Cute · Sun, 18th-Dec-2011, 2:39 AM

You Tube

Pokemon set in feudal Japan........

WHY HAS NO ONE THOUGHT OF THIS ALREADY?!?!?!?

Honestly, I'm pretty skeptical. Crossover games are rarely any good.

crAzerk · Sun, 18th-Dec-2011, 10:17 AM

There is a competitive scene for Pokemon ???

I agree with Cure! Red/blue were the best for sure, the later versions tried too hard. And perhaps the novelty at the beginning helped too.
Love the music when you're cycling! Lolol

Cute · Sun, 18th-Dec-2011, 4:07 PM

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Originally Posted by crAzerk

There is a competitive scene for Pokemon ???

I agree with Cure! Red/blue were the best for sure, the later versions tried too hard. And perhaps the novelty at the beginning helped too.
Love the music when you're cycling! Lolol

The competitive Pokemon scene is huuuuuuuuuuuge! It's actually quite complex to play at a high level. Check out http://www.smogon.com. Very interesting stuff haha.

Gold/Silver still the best!

Stallion · Sun, 18th-Dec-2011, 12:16 PM

red blue and yellow were amazing as the orginals i think silver gold were good as used kanto too all the rest that didnt add on annoyed me as it wouldve been awesome being able to travel through all the regions getting only the pokemon of the region. thats what i wish they did anyway then pokemon would be 10x as good

and id still play it

x5_Potter · Sun, 18th-Dec-2011, 1:43 PM

I used to want to be the very best, then I took an arrow in the knee.

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sR.Kumo:

You know, the arrow to the knee line is nordic slang for getting married :o

**inFeZa** · Sun, 18th-Dec-2011, 2:00 PM

You Tube

I wanna be the very best.....

asdfSchnitzel · Sun, 18th-Dec-2011, 2:36 PM

Why is noone mentioning the good ol' Gameboy Advance versions! My favourite Pokemon game of all time has to be Pokemon Emerald, followed closely by Yellow. I just loved capturing Rayquaza and owning the Elite 4 with just 2 pokemon =D

TCPLemminks · Sun, 18th-Dec-2011, 7:03 PM

COmpetitive pokemon seems pretty time-consuming though. You have to breed a pokemon for the right nature, then EV train it. EV (Effort Value, which is something like the extra stat points that your pokemon get when they level up) training being training your pokemon against a specific pokemon because each pokemon has an EV value.

Cute · Sun, 18th-Dec-2011, 7:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Lemminks

COmpetitive pokemon seems pretty time-consuming though. You have to breed a pokemon for the right nature, then EV train it. EV (Effort Value, which is something like the extra stat points that your pokemon get when they level up) training being training your pokemon against a specific pokemon because each pokemon has an EV value.

Oh god, that would be ridiculous haha. Competetive Pokemon is played over the Internet using simulator programs for PC, where you can just have max level/perfect EV/IV Pokemon and pick what moves they have without to actually level them up

TCPLemminks · Sun, 18th-Dec-2011, 7:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Cute

Oh god, that would be ridiculous haha. Competetive Pokemon is played over the Internet using simulator programs for PC, where you can just have max level/perfect EV/IV Pokemon and pick what moves they have without to actually level them up

Oh then yeah that makes a lot more sense. Still the way I played pokemon was have nothing but high dmg attack moves.

That being said:

Brultze · Sun, 18th-Dec-2011, 8:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Lemminks

Still the way I played pokemon was have nothing but high dmg attack moves.

Hi-Five!

Btw, this thread makes me wanna play my pokemon yellow on my gameboy light/advance!

neon · Mon, 19th-Dec-2011, 1:06 AM

EV training with the right items doesn't take that long, IV breeding takes ages.

Fun game, love it, still play on my night shifts occasionally, I never actually played Ruby or that Gen, but I have played every other Gen including black/white, can't say I haven't had fun and put many hours into it

TARane · Mon, 19th-Dec-2011, 6:57 AM

i never knew there was a whole world of competative pokemon with stats and stuff. - wonder if people are/were complaining about balance there lol.

Bugalugs McScruffin · Mon, 19th-Dec-2011, 7:33 AM

Balance in Pokémon hasn't been a problem for a while. There are now, as of Black/White, 649 Pokémon, and you can have a 'deck' of six Pokémon. There are top tier Pokémon and top tier teams, as in everything else, but there are enough options that most people don't care that Bidoof isn't competitive.

PS. Someone please correct me if Bidoof is actually a competitive Pokémon.

Cute · Mon, 19th-Dec-2011, 7:38 AM

From what I can piece together, competitive play is broken into tiers. The top tier is for Pokemon that the community considers OP. So the only time these are used is against tiers of other OP Pokemon (think teams of legendaries vs legendaries)

The tier below that is for Pokemon with good stats and whatever, but is not clearly imbalanced. This is the most played and competitive tier. There are actually enough options within this tier, that seeing the same team twice is a rarity.

Below this are a few more tiers of weaker Pokemon.

So basically, teams only play against teams from the same tier.

I think, I haven't read about this stuff in ages (and I've never actually played lolol)

**Mayo** · Mon, 19th-Dec-2011, 7:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Cute

PROTIP: To get the badass é used in the word 'Pokémon', hold down the alt key and press 1,3,0 (in that order) on the numpad

Or you can do alt + 0,2,3,3

Pokemon Yellow, still my favourite out of them all.

Starcyph3r · Mon, 19th-Dec-2011, 11:16 AM

Pokemon gold and silver were probably my favourites. I really enjoyed the fact you could visit the kanto region. I really hope one day game freak makes a pokemon game that allows you to visit all the regions, If two were possible on the gameboy colour surely the ds could handle them all. Its also those key moments in G/S that remain so vivid in my mind. That strange tree that I had no idea how to get past. Endless nights at the casino trying to get myself an abra. The kimono girls. Getting mad at the bitch in the lighthouse that wouldnt battle me until I finally found surf and could get the medicine. And the glorious feeling of capturing a HoHo, then feeling guilty as the exp points of my whole team sufffered while I abused hoho all the way up to and including the pokemon league

Nobunaga · Mon, 19th-Dec-2011, 12:49 PM

I think you know when shit got real is when they announced:

Pokemon: Nobunaga's Ambition.

**ToRSpartaz** · Mon, 19th-Dec-2011, 1:52 PM

I remember those days xD 450 hours on my diamond mostly from breeding the perfect natures and then EV training the hell out of them ^^

**ToRSpartaz** · Mon, 19th-Dec-2011, 1:54 PM

Kingdra is a baller amongst pokemon, Swift Swim DD imba as anything

ToRSmotPokingFish · Mon, 19th-Dec-2011, 2:07 PM

i think gold/silver and before were the best pokemons

charmander was the best

DeekZ · Tue, 20th-Dec-2011, 4:35 AM

I love Pokemon, huge fan as a kid, huge nerdy fan as an adult, over the past year or so I've played through most of the games on Emulator and Soul Silver/White on a DSi, I played some competitive Pokemon for a bit and it was pretty fun, haven't played in ages. Can't wait for the next game, defs want to re-play Black/White when I can find some time as well.

MooZfY · Tue, 20th-Dec-2011, 8:27 AM

I'm now playing Pokemon Black OwO

TABottles · Tue, 20th-Dec-2011, 9:54 AM

Finally this thread exists!

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Cute · Tue, 8th-Jan-2013, 8:13 PM

Just announced - Pokemon X and Y

Gen 6, fully 3d/3rd person, new pokemon

edit: Trailer

You Tube

October Worldwide release

syfChase · Tue, 8th-Jan-2013, 8:17 PM

OMFG Keen as a Jelly bean yo!

I bet 3DS sales will go up just because of people wanting this game haha

mGGDrGooSe · Tue, 8th-Jan-2013, 8:28 PM

so whats the deal with these games now. is it still a case of gotta catch all 600 of them? how friggin many are there now? Is it evenly remotely balanced? I remember the first couple of generations was basically just ghost and phsychic, nothing else required except from TMs for travel.

Cute · Tue, 8th-Jan-2013, 8:43 PM

Yeah, I've been holding off on a 3ds for this hahah.

I think there are about 650ish at the moment. Honestly, the games stick to a pretty rigid formula, but generally get better with each installment (excludin R/S for me, those ones were boring).

The competitive scene is entirely community ran. This is a good thing. Pokemon are classified into different tiers, so it keeps things pretty balanced. I don't play competitively, but it's actually very in depth, far more than most people would think before looking into it.

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	eCKo`Tazerenix:	Tiers are bullshit. Noobs just too bad to beat my Arceus, Arceus, Arceus, Arceus, Arceus, Arceus team
	NOM:	its s stupid tournie if they let legindaries in the party ^^^
	x5_dot:	i want a 3ds just for this too! :D

SLCN.NXZ · Tue, 8th-Jan-2013, 9:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Cute

Yeah, I've been holding off on a 3ds for this hahah.

I think there are about 650ish at the moment. Honestly, the games stick to a pretty rigid formula, but generally get better with each installment (excludin R/S for me, those ones were boring).

The competitive scene is entirely community ran. This is a good thing. Pokemon are classified into different tiers, so it keeps things pretty balanced. I don't play competitively, but it's actually very in depth, far more than most people would think before looking into it.

I was a competitive player in 4th gen, it's actually really hard, the top players are really strong, perhaps the greatest part was Oceania always would win the "nation wars", I unfortunately didn't make the team the year I tried out. But it was great seeing the Aussies and Kiwis dominate.

I personally haven't played Black and White and still haven't finished heart gold. Perhaps I might get the new game for my brother when it comes out and borrow it now and then.

FaDeBadger · Wed, 9th-Jan-2013, 1:12 PM

~Edit: nvm, ninja delete by Chris

ToRDarKnoob · Tue, 8th-Jan-2013, 9:15 PM

midnight release whos coming.

NOM · Wed, 9th-Jan-2013, 1:00 PM

i was a shiny collector for awhile, have tonnes of shinys on my pearl& heart gold
soo happy that nintendo has listened with the new 3ds version

AuXCoolpuff · Wed, 9th-Jan-2013, 3:11 PM

FFF Yes, I will become the next pokemon master!

Meatex · Wed, 9th-Jan-2013, 3:16 PM

I don't get pokemon - I played it out on the original gameboy
The sequels were all pretty much the same as far as I could see

Seffy · Wed, 9th-Jan-2013, 3:25 PM

Well, now I have a reason to buy a 3DS.

But like B/B2/W/W2 I doubt I'll get into it like I used to, and leave the game hanging around the 3rd badge or something again. But it looks really great.

**syfSoundwave** · Wed, 9th-Jan-2013, 3:47 PM

You Tube

Hey guys, I dunno if you're familiar with Game Grumps, but it's basically two best friends, Egoraptor (creator of the Awesome series) and Jontron (Game reviewer) playing games and laughing about stuff together. Kind of like a let's play, except a lot funnier.

I'm currently going through their playthrough of Pokemon Emerald. Really funny stuff.

FvRelimzkE · Wed, 9th-Jan-2013, 3:55 PM

I was a competitive player during 4th gen as well. Got pretty far in OSL/SPL (lol, what are the odds) beating the likes of FrostiePixie, TheKillerNacho and even Xerxes at times. Once Black/White came out though the competitive scene went to shit

Will probably still get a 3DS just for these titles, though. Glad to see something fresh! 3DS consoles are pretty cheap these days (in comparison) so hopefully by the time X/Y come out I'll be able to pick one up for under $200

Thoth · Thu, 10th-Jan-2013, 10:55 AM

I used to play semi-competitively in diamond and pearl, but a while after heart gold came out I lost interest in it, I only recently got to play black and white but I don't think I will get competitively involved this time.

But given X/Y being 3D and my history with the series, Nintendo might as well take my wallet for its next release.

Also as a side note, does anyone else think the X/Y names are a reference to the X/Y chromosomes? :S

Cute · Thu, 10th-Jan-2013, 11:01 AM

Pretty sure they are. If you look at the Japanese logo, there is a double helix. Hopefully like Black and White, the names are actually relevant to the plot. Maybe nature vs nurture? Hmm

Thoth · Thu, 10th-Jan-2013, 11:08 AM

That would be good, I noticed black and white had a (slightly) more interesting plot, bringing up the idea of different people and different perspectives, so if they could touch on genetics and the nature/nurture argument it would add a lot of depth (for me at least) to the game

faithHunter · Fri, 11th-Jan-2013, 8:00 PM

I would really love it if, for the first time in a Pokemon game, they don't touch things that have ANYTHING to do with FRIENDSHIP, LOVE, BEING THE BEST OF THE BEST etc.

Also, more player-to-NPC interaction would be awesome, as in, Persona-esque player to NPC interaction.

Cute · Wed, 15th-May-2013, 3:54 PM

You Tube

Day one.

ToRsupapower · Sat, 18th-May-2013, 6:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Cute

Day one.

Starting to look like a console game, i kinda like it.