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**Maynarde** · Thu, 29th-Dec-2011, 3:14 AM

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Originally Posted by zealous

whats the diff between gold player with 100 wins with a gold player with 1500 wins?

1400 wins!

... Honestly though I'm not sure what you're asking here.

zealous · Thu, 29th-Dec-2011, 9:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Maynarde

1400 wins!

... Honestly though I'm not sure what you're asking here.

lol

i mean i have a friend who has much more ladder games than i am, but were both gold, can I say hes better because he has more ladder experience?

**nirvAnA** · Thu, 29th-Dec-2011, 3:45 AM

the difference would be learning attitude, the person with 1,500 games doesn't have the right one, or probably just doesnt know any better. For e.g he probably doesn't know of sc2sea or gsl or tl or youtube VODs, forums, or anything that could improve his game. hes just cut off in his own world doing everything wrong or learning at a very slow rate.

or perhaps he was previously a portrait farmer!

dippa · Thu, 29th-Dec-2011, 5:44 AM

The dreaded skill cap.

I hit a plateau about four or so months ago around the Masters level so I bought some coaching in a bid to try and help me breach the gap. I've never been particularly good at analysis; I watch replays, but I'm poor at learning from my mistakes. On top of that, my mechanics are good up to a certain point, but my SCV production slips in fights (although my unit production has improved a little) and my army movement is non-existent.

Still, I managed to scrounge some wins here and there and after taking a week off work, I got into GM around Grandmaster. I reached about 130th, which was good, but then I went on a losing streak, which kind of pissed me off.

That streak ended up damaging my MMR to a point where I couldn't recover it until towards the end of season 4, where GM was full and I couldn't get back in anyway. I played 460 ladder games in season 4 (not including customs) - that's nearly 8 games on average a day - but I couldn't tell you where exactly I improved.

Sure, I was able to pick up some wins here and there: I got a couple of good wins in the CO's, won some games in practice against Pinder and picked off a game against Deth (

proxy rax/factory), but this was more down to their mistakes than mine if I'm being brutally honest.

I'd hit as big a brick wall as you could possibly imagine. I had no capacity to beat Zerg in a standard game, let alone how to play out a standard game in my head (despite watching replays upon replays upon replays). Protoss I felt comfortable against - thanks largely to Pinder, Light and Champi, who were happy enough to smash me repeatedly in practice - and Terran was, well, mixed; some weeks I'd have a 60-75% win ratio, other weeks it would drop to 30% or less.

Still, I'm keeping my spirits up. My record's looking GM worthy for season 5, partially thanks to a couple of people bombing their MMR and a little win streak of my own. I beat Jerry the other day, which I'm really proud of: not only because he's a decent Zerg, but because he's someone who I lost to before in the Masters Cup (a series that I thought to myself, how on earth can I possibly win) and because I used a style that was completely out of the norm for me.

I've gotten other wins, but the reason why I'm highlighting Jerry is because it's those little battles that you have to identify and target to keep yourself going. Everything isn't going to just suddenly come together. SC2 requires a long, hard slog. It's always going to be a difficult game if you're always looking to improve.

Rather than picturing a wall and breaking it down, perhaps a more apt metaphor would be to imagine climbing over the wall instead, moving up one step at a time, occasionally losing your grip on the coarse bricks before finally reaching the summit.

iM yang · Thu, 29th-Dec-2011, 7:07 AM

As people on TS can confirm I often have bouts of great confusion in a certain matchup, having no idea how I am supposed to take wins off people. It just rotates around for me, used to be PvZ then PvT and now phoenix is PvP.
You just have to know what you want to learn whether it be standard TvZ or ZvP and just obsess over what you want to learn. Read teamliquid, watch stream VODs, ask people you know, bug random people who are better than you (I bug pig and glade a LOT over pvz).

What is especially helpful is if you can find somebody of your race who streams and commentates, pig is a great example. I'm constantly surprised how much I learn from Axslav's stream.

Not sure if that helps anyone but hopefully so.

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Eldrid:

you deserve +10 rep points just for articulating "obsess over what you want to learn" +1

studmuffin · Tue, 13th-Mar-2012, 1:57 AM

I just decided to start playing SC2 after owning it for a year, and i got the manual you have here. I'd like to be G1, but having to work all day, plus having other hobbies (like guitar), don't know if can be anything other than g2; however, hopefully with enough effort I can get good enough to not embarrassing

Rage · Wed, 6th-Jun-2012, 4:06 PM

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Originally Posted by studmuffin

I just decided to start playing SC2 after owning it for a year, and i got the manual you have here. I'd like to be G1, but having to work all day, plus having other hobbies (like guitar), don't know if can be anything other than g2; however, hopefully with enough effort I can get good enough to not embarrassing

Group 1 learning as Nirvana described it actually takes less actual time than Group 2 - you can play 5 games a day, spend 10 mins on the replay of each game, and get more benefit than playing 20 games for 5 hours without close analysis.

MazEi · Thu, 29th-Dec-2011, 11:02 AM

Well if he played those extra games by 6 pooling/canon rushing/6 rax, then maybe not. But regardless, I think he would be more comfortable with the game compared to someone who's just played 5 games.

ToRXypha · Thu, 29th-Dec-2011, 11:52 AM

Forgot all about this thread made it so long ago, back when i was in gold. yesterday i was promoted to Masters

so i'd be safe to say i have come along way in improvement. next goal is GM

framtidenskrig · Sat, 3rd-Mar-2012, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ToRXypha

Forgot all about this thread made it so long ago, back when i was in gold. yesterday i was promoted to Masters

so i'd be safe to say i have come along way in improvement. next goal is GM

Congratz man! Good luck with GM!

Kairobot · Sat, 24th-Mar-2012, 10:22 PM

My brother doesn't play often, only like 2 ladder games each day and maybe a couple more on weekends but he got his 100 wins in 1v1 quite quickly and am already promoted from Silver to Bronze in a short time. I play less 1v1 and more team games and my learning is much slower compared to my brother who just mainly play 1v1, so all in all more laddering in 1v1 is a must if want to improve quicker.

jtxgaming · Sat, 24th-Mar-2012, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Kairobot

he got his 100 wins in 1v1 quite quickly and am already promoted from Silver to Bronze in a short time.

Just wanted to say, silver to bronze is demotion <

But 1v1 seems to be the best way to improve imo, custom games help if you want to practise new builds and ladder for implementing those builds.