[|Erasmus|]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Thanks heaps Nemo appreciate it Yeah I'm terribad with Terran, but believe it or not that was a platinum zerg I was playing... I don't really do a build order with them because I don't know any, and I just basically do things like "get stim and push" then just do whatever I feel the need to do... That game I wanted to go rauder heavy because banes just shred marines and I didn't want to get tanks straight away..

I can understand your shock and horror at my complete and utter lack of doing anything normal hahaha. Thanks once again I'll open reactor with 4 hellions then go marine tank from now on. Thanks

The worst part is that banes would still have destroyed you because you stimmed right up the zergs ramp with the marines in front of the marauders. If the point is not to die to 3 banes, then you need to pre-split those units a bit, and have the marauders in the front to tank damage.

[PulseSPR]

Wow. Absolutely Amazing Analysis.

MrFool perfectly picks out my mistakes and what I should do better, and it's an amazing advice.

Huge thanks for the analysis, and you have all my regard and respect, MrFool.

(p.s. btw change your name coz I don't want to call you MrFool! Your a MrGenius! LOL"

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Apth

IMO, scouting is the biggest hole in your gameplay at the moment.

cheers man, appreciate the effort. I kinda got into the habit of not scouting because I came to the conclusion that unless I scouted cheese, it didn't ever change what I was doing.

[Apth]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

cheers man, appreciate the effort. I kinda got into the habit of not scouting because I came to the conclusion that unless I scouted cheese, it didn't ever change what I was doing.

Anytime, submit as many replays as you like.

If you don't feel comfortable changing your build order or unit composition when you scout your opponent, that's cool.

Being aware of things like if your opponent is being greedy and taking extra expansions, or rushing DTs, or has his army out of position are all valuable, and don't require you to change your gameplan. Start scouting a bit more, keep up those baller upgrades, and you'll probably find your ladder matches a bit easier.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Apth

Anytime, submit as many replays as you like.

If you don't feel comfortable changing your build order or unit composition when you scout your opponent, that's cool.

Being aware of things like if your opponent is being greedy and taking extra expansions, or rushing DTs, or has his army out of position are all valuable, and don't require you to change your gameplan. Start scouting a bit more, keep up those baller upgrades, and you'll probably find your ladder matches a bit easier.

NYE resolution is to scout more

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Apth:

This man has his priorities straight.

[Nemo]

Excellent work again MrFool. Thanks a lot for helping me with that work.

[Bugalugs McScruffin]

Finally caught up. o_O'

That was a lot of replays that were analysed over the break. Welcome back to Apth, and welcome to MrFool and delete as well. More people doing these analyses is only a good thing.

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	Apth:	Awesomeness appears in a puff of green smoke.
	ToRPandarine:	^ wht he said :)

[Nemo]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Thanks heaps Nemo appreciate it Yeah I'm terribad with Terran, but believe it or not that was a platinum zerg I was playing...

Oo You would think that a would have more than 14 drones at 6 minutes.

Originally Posted by Rockstar

I don't really do a build order with them because I don't know any, and I just basically do things like "get stim and push" then just do whatever I feel the need to do... That game I wanted to go rauder heavy because banes just shred marines and I didn't want to get tanks straight away..

I can understand your shock and horror at my complete and utter lack of doing anything normal hahaha. Thanks once again I'll open reactor with 4 hellions then go marine tank from now on. Thanks

It's OK to make 3 barracks like that. It's a old build, but it can be done. The real problem is making gas first as you are rushing gas in expense of a lot of minerals (late OC) without using it totally.

Hellion opening into marine tank is good for you not because it's the better opening (it is but that's not the problem), but because you will learn a lot in using it. It's very solid and not gimmicky.

Originally Posted by Bugalugs McScruffin

Finally caught up. o_O'

That was a lot of replays that were analysed over the break. Welcome back to Apth, and welcome to MrFool and delete as well. More people doing these analyses is only a good thing.

Indeed ^^

Want to try ? Begin with The Pandarine game to postulate for the "Analysor Team".

[ToRPandarine]

Hi there Need a replay analysis for a friend He has recently run into problems with which I find a little bit strange since he plays (). Both of us are in the same league though he's Top 8 whereas I'm climbing my way to Top 25 one game a day I decided to play him to see what's up.

http://www.sc2sea.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=686

Anyways, a quick recap of what happened on my end is that I decided to do my usual TvP opening (which I think most of my clanmates would recognise) but with a twist as I decided I wanted to play a little bit more safer this time around. Please ignore the blatant !@#$ed up macro, lack of buildings and lack of drops (which is something he has a problem with too)

It was a constant to-and-fro battle with me almost losing if it weren't for upgrades kicking in and some luck on my side.

So, yeah. Looking forward for the analysis. I'm sure he would like get past this recent block

GLHF and Thanks

[ToRMaverick]

Originally Posted by ThePandarine

Hi there Need a replay analysis for a friend He has recently run into problems with which I find a little bit strange since he plays (). Both of us are in the same league though he's Top 8 whereas I'm climbing my way to Top 25 one game a day I decided to play him to see what's up.

http://www.sc2sea.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=686

Anyways, a quick recap of what happened on my end is that I decided to do my usual TvP opening (which I think most of my clanmates would recognise) but with a twist as I decided I wanted to play a little bit more safer this time around. Please ignore the blatant !@#$ed up macro, lack of buildings and lack of drops (which is something he has a problem with too)

It was a constant to-and-fro battle with me almost losing if it weren't for upgrades kicking in and some luck on my side.

So, yeah. Looking forward for the analysis. I'm sure he would like get past this recent block

GLHF and Thanks

Panda.... you posted this game? Ohhhh noooooo

To be honest it was very bad on my part.... there were so many mistakes made (ones I am aware of anyways) that I’m not sure if an analysis will actually help. No dramas if you would like the analysis for yourself but to be honest I didn’t end this game wondering why I lost. I really know I had bad macro / bad build / no scouting / no aggression / no micro... was pretty lazy on my part actually. No disrespect to you of course, I love you man!

I would rather have a game analysed where I have asked myself "HOW DID I LOOSE THAT?" If you know what I mean...

I am happy to see my own clan genuinely trying to help! Thanks man….

[nonsequitur]

ZvP

Lost to a FFE into 7 gate +2 blink stalkers on Tal'Darim that I knew was coming but still couldn't hold.

http://drop.sc/89012/d

Couple of things that may have been mistakes:

- Roach Warren & Evo Chamber before Lair. I had too much excess minerals waiting for the rocks to go down on my 3rd. Should I have built a macro hatch instead?

- I defended with Roach/Ling. Should I have gone for infestors as well? Watching the replay, there doesn't seem to be enough time to get them. Should I have gone Lair quicker?

Been losing to this lately and I'm having problems seeing what I'm doing wrong. If anyone can help that would be great.

Thanks!

[Apth]

Originally Posted by nonsequitur

ZvP

Lost to a FFE into 7 gate +2 blink stalkers on Tal'Darim that I knew was coming but still couldn't hold.

http://drop.sc/89012/d

Protoss 2base timings are brutal, but thankfully there are a couple of tweaks - IMO - you could make that would make things a bit more comfortable.

Expansion Timing
Your expansions should go down when you are sure your opponent is unable to attack you - most commonly you expand behind an attack, or when your opponent is taking an expansion themselves.

You took a third knowing his timing push was imminent - personally I would have put down a macro hatch, rather than a third, which would have made your base more defensible.

Map Awareness
You had no vision of his incoming units at 11min - it's worth taking all the watchtowers for this reason, not just the ones closest to his base.

This will also allow you to spot probes moving out to place pylons and hiddin expansions.

Positioning
You had all your Lings and Roaches on one control group, as far as I could see. Lings are incredibly mobile - make use of this.

Split your lings off into a different control group, and run them around behind his army. From here, you can

• Pick off his warp-in pylon
• Pick off reinforcements
• Attack from behind if he engages your Roaches

I've actually started splitting my army into two groups of Lings, and one group of Roaches, and using the minimap to position my units to attack from three different angles.

For Zerg to trade cost-efficiently, you need superior surface area.

Committing To Engagements
IMO, this is what lost you the game.

In the three engagements near the ramp to your third, each time you would move forward with your Roaches, then pull back after a few seconds of fighting. Each time, his Stalkers would get free shots off on your Roaches as you retreated.

When you engage, commit. Only back off if you're 100% sure you're going to lose all of your units for little to no damage dealt.

As your reinforcements were fairly even, he had the advantage because he was getting all that free damage every time you ran away.

Summary
Splitting your control groups and establishing flanks will win you games. Lots of games. That game in particular would have been a lot more even had you committed to your engagements.

I didn't really have any problems with your build order, timings or macro - there were no obvious deficits compared to your opponent - but if you aren't sure about any of those three things, I'd recommend some coaching. Eldrid is doing free coaching twice a week at the moment, and PiG offers a comprehensive coaching package for pocket change.

Cheers yo

[Nemo]

Originally Posted by ThePandarine

Hi there Need a replay analysis for a friend He has recently run into problems with which I find a little bit strange since he plays (). Both of us are in the same league though he's Top 8 whereas I'm climbing my way to Top 25 one game a day I decided to play him to see what's up.

http://www.sc2sea.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=686

Anyways, a quick recap of what happened on my end is that I decided to do my usual TvP opening (which I think most of my clanmates would recognise) but with a twist as I decided I wanted to play a little bit more safer this time around. Please ignore the blatant !@#$ed up macro, lack of buildings and lack of drops (which is something he has a problem with too)

It was a constant to-and-fro battle with me almost losing if it weren't for upgrades kicking in and some luck on my side.

So, yeah. Looking forward for the analysis. I'm sure he would like get past this recent block

GLHF and Thanks

After passing the week battling to fix my stream. I hoped it will work, but it's still awfully bad sound quality. There what I have done nonetheless if you can hear it : http://www.twitch.tv/nemoulysses/b/305378443. I might have seen this game 3 or 4 times now trying to do it so I won't do more on it, sorry. I think you can't get the message even if it's painful to hear.

To make it short:

• Maverick:
  • Very good economy
  • You don't build enough army (warp and Robo)
  • Not teching enough( Templar for storm and upgrades)
• Panda:
  • Better econ now but still not perfect
  • Still very good army management but no drops
  • Very good upgrade and bio Medivac, double starport
  • Forgot the Ghosts that are usefull even without templar

If anyone has a good idea for my sound tell me, I'm desesperate now. When pausing the game it's better.

[ToRPandarine]

http://www.twitch.tv/nemoulysses/b/305378443

I CANT WATCH IT T_T

yea, my econ is still pretty bad plus no drops :/ didnt get ghost cause i saw no templars or archons in his army.

[Nemo]

Originally Posted by ThePandarine

I CANT WATCH IT T_T

yea, my econ is still pretty bad plus no drops :/ didnt get ghost cause i saw no templars or archons in his army.

Panda. Sorry then. Post a defeat when you don't really see why you lost, I will analyze it.

[Bugalugs McScruffin]

What? Me try an analysis?!? Hahaha. My game knowledge is average. Analysis is probably alright, but it would end up being more general stuff than specifics like you guys can do.

[Nemo]

Originally Posted by Bugalugs McScruffin

What? Me try an analysis?!? Hahaha. My game knowledge is average. Analysis is probably alright, but it would end up being more general stuff than specifics like you guys can do.

Just try, you will see that you will indeed increase your game knowledge doing it.

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ROOTPetraeus:

gooooooooo Bugs!

[Bugalugs McScruffin]

Haha. Okay, you won me over. I'll give Pandarine's game a try. Though it would be good if someone analysed my analysis.

[iMSystem]

http://www.sc2sea.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=690

TvP against a masters Protoss and I am Diamond, felt way ahead the entire game, only to lose to shitty positioning.

Need someone else to look at this because all I see is me losing to bad army positioning.

[asdfSchnitzel]

Im having EXTREME trouble with zergs going muta ling in pvz. I just cant find a way to deal with it effectivaly.

Here are a few replays of myself playing on a platnium level on SEA.

(NOTE: Could only find 2 main ones because i forgot to save them lol)