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Unread Mon, 23rd-Jan-2012, 9:25 PM BnetId: Vyderac.703  Race: Total Posts Made: 5 # 1
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Looking for Ways to Improve TvZ

Hey Guys,

I've been playing a few games of TvZ and have been pretty successful lately as far as pushing out and such. I'm a bit confused as to how the Zerg was able to get so far ahead. I realize my scv production isn't constant constant but I feel it has improved a considerable amount from my last submission. I know my micro is non-existent but keep in mind that my latency is around 200-250, so the best I can do is stim and the other way while my tanks do the damage.

Thanks =)
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Unread Tue, 24th-Jan-2012, 8:04 AM Who's Who:   BnetId: EU.Nemo #368  Race: Location: Paris, France  Total Posts Made: 752 # 2
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Hey Guys,

I've been playing a few games of TvZ and have been pretty successful lately as far as pushing out and such. I'm a bit confused as to how the Zerg was able to get so far ahead. I realize my scv production isn't constant constant but I feel it has improved a considerable amount from my last submission. I know my micro is non-existent but keep in mind that my latency is around 200-250, so the best I can do is stim and the other way while my tanks do the damage.

Thanks =)
Vyderac vs kornbeaner

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Map : Tal'darim Altar LE
Length : 27:42
Version 1.4.2

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  • 6:02 : You're doing a special build 1 rax Expand 2 more rax and 2 gaz with only 2 SCV on them. I would not recommend making weird builds like that, even if they are correct (found on TL or on streams). If you want to learn, you must be perfect first with the standard build Expand into Hellions into 3 tank push at 10. The problem of this build is you're not harassing the . he was ahead and droning even if he pooled first. Imagine if he had hatch first ...
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  • 6:02 : That's why I don't like this too much. You have 3 nude rax not doing anything and 100 gas in bank not used. If going heavy bio, rush the infantry upgrade, shield, steam, +1 attack or defense + rush medivac too.
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  • 6 :31 : Bad placed bunker. He must protect the route to your nat.
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  • 10:22 : You had an awful supply block for 9:36 to 10:22 at 70 supply. Watch that point. You're teching hard now but took only 3 gas. You need to take more gas quickly. Put reactors on your barracks to pump marines more quickly.
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  • 13:29 : You come out of the first fight largelly ahead, but because you didn't had enough gas to make medivacs, your marines are badly hurt.
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  • 15:34 : What are you waiting for ? You must send that command center, you must push with that scary army. You're far too passive at the moment. You're lucky he had no muta to harass you.
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  • 16:21 :You're pushing in the wrong timing. You should have installed your 3rd with a PF before and then pushed with all your units while it was morphing. Now your 3rd is in great danger.
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  • 16:54 : Now your isolated groups and expand are in danger. You must secure place by place and then push with all your units. Push with scouts in front of your army and siege when arriving near the creep, not in the middle of nowhere like that.
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  • 17:09 : Lift ...
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  • 17:52 : Now he has too much mutas, you're in big trouble now.Time to begin making Thors. Since you lost your third, you should have lost the game from that point.
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  • 25:01 : You're playing well and you are back in business. Pushing and disturbing him. You just need to finish the job with ALL your combat units. let the produced forces defend your base.
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  • 25:26 : Nice save. You clearly have more than silver level.
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  • 26: 29 : Not the best place to take a 4rth. Too exposed. Make PF for each exposed expansion. With some turrets it's unbreakable until you actually loose. Especially since your OC is not in your hotkey to call down mules ...
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  • 26:53 : You're broke because you have a lot of idle SCV's. Be sure to make them work.
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  • 27:32 : take ALL your units when pushing. protect with static defenses, Bunker, Sim City, PF, units under production.
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  • 27:39 : That's why ...
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Strong points

  • Quite good macro and precise build order even if I don't like it.
  • Quite good micro.

What could be improved

  • Consider that if you haven't harassed or pressured a by a mean or another before the 10 minute mark you have lost the game. You were far too passive before the 15 minutes. A must put the on his heels before that point.
  • You make too many gas buildings without producing enough with them and not enough Barracks. Marines are the best mineral dump of the game and your best damage dealing units. Make tons of them. other units are here only to allow them to live.
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  • You need to push with all your forces, Your base can defend itself and when you push with all what you have the will have to concentrate all his forces on your army so you're quite safe behind.
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"If you're not attacking you're probably losing" - QXC
- EU.Nemo.#368

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Unread Tue, 24th-Jan-2012, 12:06 PM BnetId: Vyderac.703  Race: Total Posts Made: 5 # 3
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Awesome

Very cool! I was feeling that since I can't harass to much with hellions alone, I should just skip them completely. I'll see about doing a marine hellion medivac drop into expand (fact react barracks reactor into nude starport). Was feeling that if I can't do a good harass at the beginning I'll have a strong push later on. For some reason the list of points and screenshot doesn't show up in the post. I clicked reply with quote on your post and was able to view all of the links and screenshots I can copy paste into the browser. No biggie, just want to let you know. I'll definitely to sim city a lot better and bring all my stuff when I attack since reinforcements will be coming really soon.

Thanks for the tips, I'll put these into practice
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