[Frogmite]

Originally Posted by xGKingLight

Unfortunately, I did get offended by this statement. As you started being rude to me, I don't feel like holding back about the statements I am about to make. How am I wasting time "making drama" when this was an issue that was obviously not resolved to satisfaction, felt by a large proportion of the community. I enjoy posting and debating politics moreso than I enjoy playing StarCraft II. What is it to you?

Yeah sorry to have posted that, i was a bit stressed with work and posted that without really thinking twice. That was not really smart from me sincere apologies to all i offended.

And as i said in my post too, this thread is a very good material for us to help us make a better SEACL season 3.

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	nGenLight:	Apologies accepted, sorry for being rude myself. You are a good man and done so much for this community.
	nirvAnA:	w0w0w0w group hug santa frog!

[nGenLight]

I do less than 0.01% of what you do and I criticize so harshly, which is a pretty rude thing to do. Sorry. I know your intentions are in the best interest of the community. It's easy to sit on the sidelanes, critize and take the great things for granted, and I always forget that. I always feel bad afterwards after remembering the work you guys put in, I do appreciate you guys alot.

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P.S: I think of what I'm gonna write in my post whilst I'm getting iT on, I think I have an issue.

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	FaDeBadger:	We still love you
	syfChadMann:	So manner! :)
	dippa:	i too approve of thoughts about gaming forums while mid-coitus

[nirvAnA]

I just wanna talk about this particular point

"(2) Continued SC2SEA.com activity across 2-3 seasons"

A lot of SEA residents do not even use this forum actively in the first place. They just like to "lurk" so to be fair to these guys the "non-sea" players shouldn't be punished for this, although it certainly HELPS ALOT if they are active on sc2sea.com. I guess what i'm saying is it shouldn't be a requirement but it can be one of the good indications of activity. Another measurement of activeness might be if people are familiar with them like how everyone knows Soulman etc cause he ladders so much and is active in our tournaments. And clearly alot of SPR guys hang out together and chat / idle with each other on SEA but stuff like that is so hard to measure.

Anyway thanks for sharing that light I know you always have good intentions at heart that's why you're an MVP and I hope to see more of that Mr. Manner Protoss Hero around!

Edit: Opps I should have read all of it was just skimming through the posts lol

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nGenLight:

I meant either of the three components Bryan, one or the other or both or thrice it doesn't matter.

[foxmeep]

100 wins or 100 games? You can ladder 100 games in 2 days, no sweat. The criteria should be based on what would classify someone as ACTIVE in the community.

My suggestion would be x number of games in the previous AND x number of games in the current season (pro rata depending on how far in). This would stop people simply grinding out sufficient games when they decide they want to join an upcoming tournament.

Edit: Though really, the best solution is to simply run tournaments on SEA (anyone with a SEA account can join), and for SEA (anyone with residency in a SEA country can join)

[Nemo]

If they want to play, they must play drunkcraft, even if calling from the Moon. Period.

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Frogmite:

You really have a microphone problem nemo <3

[NvJazBas]

imo just see how the thing goes. Like, if BalloonSPR becomes inactive(without a good reason) from SEA and shows no interest in future SEA events or community events(some even without prize pool such as race wars or KOTH that happened some time ago) after this SEACL, then we can say "BalloonSPR only played 100ladder games quickly just to participate and get money from SEACL".

But if he actually is still active on SEA and our community, (which also helps in promoting our region too imo) we can say "BalloonSPR played 100 ladder games so quickly because he was so passionate to join our community".

IMO

[nGenLight]

Originally Posted by xGKingJazBas

imo just see how the thing goes. Like, if BalloonSPR becomes inactive(without a good reason) from SEA and shows no interest in future SEA events or community events(some even without prize pool such as race wars or KOTH that happened some time ago) after this SEACL, then we can say "BalloonSPR only played 100ladder games quickly just to participate and get money from SEACL".

But if he actually is still active on SEA and our community, (which also helps in promoting our region too imo) we can say "BalloonSPR played 100 ladder games so quickly because he was so passionate to join our community".

IMO

Obviously this is what is going to happen this season since the ruling is final. As I have said, we should rule based on their previous commitment rather than "interest" or "potential commitment". All foreigners has the potential to join SEA tournies for one shot, without commitment, if this is the rule that we will set.

[dippa]

either force it so comps are SEA residents only or require other participants to have showed a consistent level of activity in the SEA scene over the last three seasons (so s3, s4 and s5 would be valid in this case).

level of activity could be defined by an mixture of x amount of ladder games (150-200), participation in x number of open tournaments (community opens should be open to all for this reason, otherwise there is no actual way to "prove" your activity beyond ******* about on ladder) and some credits for contributions towards the forums.

(just an idea, ofc)

(also, i miss you ray ray)

[Dox]

After tonight's Masters Cup results?

BRING ON THE WORLD.

[dippa]

Originally Posted by Dox

After tonight's Masters Cup results?

BRING ON THE WORLD.

settle down icarus

[Peleus]

Originally Posted by Dox

After tonight's Masters Cup results?

BRING ON THE WORLD.

Who would have thought after so much negativity about Korean's they could ever be beaten.

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	EveMassacrisM:	Dont like the tone of this.
	ROOTPetraeus:	counter rep!

[AxSGRiM]

with moonglade as final boss

[Strafe]

I just bumped into this thread and I skimmed through, so I apologize if I repeat a thing or two that someone already posted.

Personally I feel that SEA is a somewhat unique server compared to all others. Reason being that the general skill level on SEA is a lot lower than KR/NA/EU and most of the SEA residents cannot play on those other servers due to latency issues. Therefore some of us are limited to competition on this server only. When foreigners invade to scoop some easy to be won tournaments that can be frustrating.

However if you are in favor of stronger competition it seems counter intuitive to ban strong players from tournaments, because they are too strong. In fact we should welcome stronger players on the server in general.

You can achieve higher skill levels on SEA by forcing strong Korean players to be active on our servers. This will greatly help players from SEA to get practice vs players a lot stronger than themselves, which they otherwise would never be able to play. So when we force Koreans to play at least 500 or even a thousand ladder games before they can enter the tournament we actually increased the skill level on our ladder and therefore of our players and at the same time we prevented Koreans from coming in and scooping 'our' only chance of competing with each other in tournaments for $$$.

If you think 1000 games is a lot than you must think again. I played 1600 ladder games last season alone and MKP is said to play 3k-4k ladder games per season. Also these Koreans that are really good easily get this number. I know it seems like a high number, but you must realize we want these players to contribute to our competition on the ladder.

So I feel we should even invite Koreans for our tournaments and encourage them to become active on our ladder. This will make us SEA players stronger and eventually boost stronger players we can send to competition internationally. Just my 2 cents.

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nirvAnA:

1600 ladder games strafe you are a beast!!!