[TADivinity]

Does anyone know a good supply & timing (for reference) that you should be hitting if the Protoss get a pylon down at the Nat?

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ROCCAT_Savior:

1 pylon and you can still hit 75+ at 8 mins. double and you can just about hit 70

[mGGDrGooSe]

Originally Posted by TADivinity

Does anyone know a good supply & timing (for reference) that you should be hitting if the Protoss get a pylon down at the Nat?

I just wanna say that the specific opening you go doesn't actually matter, all of them can get to 80 supply at 8 minutes if you 100% concentrate on spending larva and getting overlords exactly when needed (ie not early or late). The safest way I have found --and I know it isn't the most efficient, just safest IME-- is 14p16h dragging two drones down to the natural at 150 minerals on 16 supply. I micro one against the probe, trying to keep the drone centred pretty centrally to where they wanna put their pylon/your hatch. At 300-350 minerals I get an overlord so that I can still get my queen and lings on time. At high plat and below there is a 50/50 chance they will screw up and lose the probe altogether, sometimes without even getting the pylon out. With this, I can still kill the pylon (4 lings), get my 2nd queen before 3rd hatch and have the 3rd starting at 4.30. Did this last night and hit 77 supply at 8 minutes (6 min dble gas, 3rd gas when other 2 have finished).

Now obviously many of the people here are much higher level than me, but I feel personally that Savior's opening is a little greedy and unsafe for low league people, especially considering that it actually doesn't matter too much what the specific opening is, a gold level player can still hit near to 80 supply with any comfortable opening. I would definetely encourage lower league players to get up those 2 queens and 4 lings early enough to stop cannon at 3rd or some early zealot+stalker pressure.