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Unread Tue, 8th-Nov-2011, 3:22 AM Who's Who:   Total Posts Made: 124 # 1
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YoonYJ's promised flight canceled.

Admin Note: As you all know, Dox helped hold an extensive series of qualifiers http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft...fic_Qualifiers for Australia on behalf of Witchdoc on the promise that Witchdoc would send the top two Australian players to the Philippines. Dox made them sign official contracts as well. Day 1 of the event is already over and although Rossi was sent, the next in line to go YoonYJ was not given a plane ticket. Every story has two sides and I certainty hope to hear Witchdoc's side in the comments, but these are the facts that I know are true after speaking to several people and can be seen in the screenshots below as well and hence have allowed YoonYJ to share his point of view.

Update: IPL has this to say about the matter "This is a terrible situation that we had no information about until when we read his post. We feel like our part in this has been misrepresented and wanted to clarify that our agreement with the PPSL included a schedule for payments which we were up to date on - PPSL was never waiting for money from us." They have rightfully distanced and disassociated themselves from AZK and handled this mess in the most perfect way they could, so big props to them


to the koreans: http://www.playxp.com/sc2/global/vie...cle_id=3565865

+ [Update from YJY 9/11/2011] +
I have spoken to Gus about the matter and I am glad to say that he has apologised for his actions. He has given me my word that I will be compensated at a sum of $1600AU, which was the estimated cost of the flight by next year February 15th. The reason for this is because he will be dealing with all the other financial issues at hand which is currently happening in the Philippines as you guys probably have heard of share my disappointment.

http://i.imgur.com/bueay.png?4912

I am grateful for all of those that have supported me in the past few days; I remember every one of you that have spoken out, messaged me personally, and have even apologised for something their country has done (which I have replied this matter has nothing to do with the Philippines). To these people I would like to say I am indebted to you, as I have felt the community unite and speak out with and for me.

Gus's actions will tell me if he has accepted responsibility. In the next few days, if Gus keeps his word and attends to those that have been affected by the management, then he has my forgiveness. I have made many mistakes myself and have been grateful for loving friends and family that have constantly forgiven my mistakes. By no means does this mean I have forgiven him now; actions speak louder than words. However, if he does do what a reasonable person does to fix his mistakes, who are we not to forgive? I cannot force you to follow me into accepting Gus back into e-Sports, as you have the right to your opinion. Yet it is my solid belief that if he pays for his wrongs, then we as a community must forgive him.

Kind Regards,

YoonYJ


+ [TLDR version from TL] +
OppsOppsBaby from TL summed up a nice TLDR version of the drama today.

Quote:
On November 08 2011 15:00 OopsOopsBaby wrote:
TLDR

ppsl qualifiers
  • yoonyj was promised a flight and spot as replacement for targa.
  • did not materialise. reason was awaiting funds.
  • ipl states that payments were on schedule.
  • moonglade was asked to represent azk and join azk for 3 months in return for spot and flight but he declined.
  • azksickness joins azk recently and gets a free spot and flight without having to go through the qualifiers.
  • players from filipino team 'Cube' was denied flights.
  • both azk players was given walkovers in group e over rixilius and salt who coincidentally are from 'Cube'

    ppsl
  • audience did not get the vip privileges (interaction with players, autographs, etc) they paid for on day 1 (usd10). ticketing has no clue.
  • stream testing only start 1 hour before event. no sound proofing. not enough ram.
  • players have no idea what is going on and the brackets.
  • hon players that registered for hon tournament arrive and realise there is no hon tournament. s2 funds unaccounted for.

    azk
  • some azk members are known for their notoriety online. zanooku/ziek banned from bnet forums and sc2sea after numerous counts of trolling and racism.
  • negative comments removed from facebook page


My dear friends, supporters, managers, fellow gamers, e-sport lovers and acquaintances. Many of you I have already met, for those of you who I haven't, I am YoonYJ of the SEA, NA and KR servers. I am writing this to share with the gaming community the series of events that has led me to believe the unfair treatment I received from Gus "Witchdoc" Ledesma. Furthermore, I am writing in order to prevent these from occuring in e-sports again, as I who was once a skeptic believer of e-sports as an actual sport have now realised otherwise, and from the bottom of my heart believe that I am experiencing the birth of e-sports into this world; yes, I believe great times are ahead of us. The following text provides some factual documents that I have exchanged and received, and my view of what has happened. I would like to emphasise that the actual clan AZK consist of wonderful people; it was with the training of many of the Koreans involved in this clan (which are involved in clan lof in kr) that I was successful in qualifying to this tournament.

First and foremost, there has been many people that know Gus personally, and others that are directly involved with AZK that I have been speaking to. I would like to give my sincere thanks for your genuine help in working with me to convince Gus to obtain his part of the contract; I will not forget this. I will be keeping these friends anonymous as I believe I do not have a right to meddle in their relationship with Gus.

I was very skeptical of Gus sending me from the moment that I realised I had qualified as 3rd, because Targa who placed first could not go due to exams. This was because I had been told from a friend who was speaking to Gus that he didn't want to send me. He may try to say that this was not the case, but my actions prove I did hear this from this person; immediately after the qualifiers, I messaged Dox who did the contracts and management of the qualifiers with Gus that I believed there was a chance that he wouldn't send me. I would have never messaged Dox in regards to this if I didn't hear this, there is no reason to especially as I have never met Gus before. Furthermore, there were several more people that had negative impressions of Gus and let me know of this. Once again I wish to keep these people anonymous which I hope the readers will understand this. This is once again proved by my actions; if I were being dishonest about my hearing of these negative impressions, I would have never said to Gus in facebook chat that I was hearing things from different people; once again there is no reason to. Without boring you further with more text, let me provide the contract that was signed by both Dox and Gus Ledesma:

+ [Facebook Chat] +

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If Gus does speak up and express that the contract was only sending two people, I do not believe that this is incorrect. My reasoning behind this is because I had managed to final contact him and he agreed to send me. Please note that Gus NEVER contacted me once, and I had to always chase him up which was significantly difficult. The following highlights the first facebook conversation that was exchanged between Gus and I, which shows my actions which will verify that I actually did hear these things from other people:

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Please note the date of this conversation; the event started on Monday, it was the days right before it. He has been telling me that he is still 'trying', yet anybody can clearly see that there was a low possibility that if he is being honest and funding was the problem after flying everybody but myself, that it was very unlikely that the sponsors who did not pay up to Saturday would pay by Sunday and fly me up.

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It was clear that he did have at least some time to deal with me rather than me constantly trying to chase him up. The following was from his FB page:

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Everything I have stated so far might give the readers some general idea of Gus's real thoughts of sending me up. I can not give actual evidence on my conversations with the people telling me this as I want to protect them. Yet another thought came about to me. A person who knows Gus in real life told me he was ecstatic at acquiring NEXSickness in his team. Now I put myself in Gus's shoes, and thought to myself if I acquired someone with fame, and there were no spots in this tournament, what an opportunity to grab of not sending a player up, tell him false reasons, and insert my newly acquired player into my very own tournament! I asked around to see who took my last spot, and of course; NEXSickness. Once again all players that are affiliated with AZK are awesome people, I do not wish to tarnish their reputation, and am very regrettable for the damage I beset upon them due to what happened between Gus and I.

He has been constantly rude to me in many ways:
  • He never extended any professional courtesy to try contact me once
  • He never gave me any form of apology for not sending me up
  • On SC2SEA chat in front of many well known TA members, when I stated that I would write up upon this to let people know, he rudely typed, 'Good luck with that'. Thank you for the players in SC2SEA chat that defended me and told him off for saying that.
  • Being rude in general:

    Click the image to open in full size.



Many of you that know me know this is the first time speaking out in such disappointment at anything. Many times when we have been side by side as victims of poorly organised events and have often complained. I believe this is a new level that is completely unacceptable. I sincerely wish that what has happened to me NEVER happens in e-sports again. E-sports is a beautiful thing in modern day, and there are no boundaries in its expansion in the future. I ask for my friends, gaming rivals, fans, coaching students, community organisers, passionate e-sports fans and Starcraft 2 gamers for support in my cause to prevent from further occurrences from happening in such events. As for the current situation as per expressed, my girlfriend who is a lawyer is overviewing the contract to see if we can hold Gus liable to the contract even though we are countries apart.

A huge thank you for the many people that have supported me in the past week in regards to this; you know who you are. And to Gus Ledesma: I will not forget the disrespect that you have bestowed upon me, I am not one to forget. You may try to justify yourself and may successfully convince some members of the community to believe that there were other issues such as funding that you were unable to fly me up. But for me the facts that I have mentioned above all line up perfectly, and any reasoning that you attempt upon me is a mere mockery of my intelligence. I hope you truly understand that what you have done is not beneficial to e-sports which is such a shame in what could have been a perfect event in the very promotion of e-sports.

Kind Regards,

YoonYJ

Starcraft 2 player

*edit: more victims of the event: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/view...opic_id=283641
*TL: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/view...rentpage=9#180
*reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/co..._from_the_ipl/
*playxp (korean): http://www.playxp.com/sc2/global/vie...cle_id=3561685 -please help me explain to the players involved what is happening.

Quick Comments
 MooZfY:  
Still love you <3
 ToR.Arnor:  
So sad to see this happen, fight the machine son!
 MskiJaBiTo:  
Disheartening to see this happen to one of my favorite players in SEA. :(
 Zepph:  
 DtorR:  
Really well written Yoon. I am completely disgusted by AZKwitchdoc's actions.
 VoxMSI.Rogue:  
<3
 Champi:  
come down to adelaide on the 26th bro, i'll buy u a beer <3
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y u so gm -.-
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very unfair and witchdoctor should be ashamed
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mate everything was well said from you. <33
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Show them you're not one to be messed with!
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love how you kept your cool all the way through! sick upgrade from yoon 1.0 <3
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This is so BS!
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We are with you <3
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You are a model eSportsman
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You are my ******* hero
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39 to this point ppl save the counting
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<3 38
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I know you
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You're deadset a better man than me, purely because of how you handled this.
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HI GUYS!
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+1 to the smile train!
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C-C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!.................................sorry.... ...
 Halstrom:  
mad props
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giving in to peer pressure.
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Complete manner.
 Dexterique:  
really impressed by the way you handle the situation. Hope all is well :)
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