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Unread Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 8:50 PM Who's Who:   BnetId: NvRossi.155  Race: Clan: TA  Location: Sydney  Total Posts Made: 647 # 1
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AsgChobo - The Mystery Unravelled

Introduction

A little history regarding Chobo is the well known fact that he has come out of absolutely nowhere to have a very impressive win rate on SEA with a very unique playstyle. Despite this, chobo has continually failed to represent in specifically LAN environments(losing to masters players at LAN) and online tournaments. Furthermore he even denied offers to join team Carnage(stating he doesn't have the time for a pro team).
The fact that he can be a top tier player capable of defeating the best of the best in both our scene and the NA ladder from being gold 3 months ago is fairly self explanatory imo.

Altogether this leads to players becoming suspicious about his playstyle and even for many to assume he hacks.

+ [Comments from Strafe during a ladder game with Chobo] +
00:39:47 - GnSPrime to ALL: wpoulnd tbe surprised
00:39:50 - GnSPrime to ALL: if you maphacked
00:39:52 - GnSPrime to ALL: !


+ [Comments From Tgun in Skype post MC] +

[5/06/2012 4:10:07 PM] Bradley Seymour: but seriously
[5/06/2012 4:10:09 PM] Bradley Seymour: the night he won the mc
[5/06/2012 4:10:11 PM] Bradley Seymour: when i was playing yang
[5/06/2012 4:10:16 PM] Bradley Seymour: i told him he would play on even if i won
[5/06/2012 4:10:21 PM] Bradley Seymour: because i just had no intention of playing a cheater


+ [Comments from Jazbas from the previous thread] +

"I once suspected that AsGChobo might be smurfed by a Korean pro or something but I thought it might be because I was frustrated after losing to him multiple times and I had no proof (except he couldn't speak English at the time I was getting owned).. but never suspected this..(I havn't watched the replay I'm not judging anything!)

If its true, I'll be pretty shocked..


I show these merely to point out the fact that people were already suspicious of his play.

What happens next is very surprising to most... Chobo clean sweeps a field comprising of Enderr, Targa, Yang, Mafia in what can be considered a very one-sided manner.
This is personally what made me look into this situation and made me so convinced that things just didn't add up with this guy and that we had to get to the end of it!


The Path to the Truth
So the path begins when Nirvana comes to me mentioning the fact that i'm looking at the wrong path... that Chobo may actually be having people smurfing on his account.

Exhibit 1
+ Show +

[5/06/2012 9:15:02 PM] Bryan Choo (nirvAnA): and some1 now came to me with this theory
[5/06/2012 9:15:09 PM] Rossi: im sure he could put in a fine response
[5/06/2012 9:15:11 PM] Bryan Choo (nirvAnA): that he paid some1 to smmurf for him
[5/06/2012 9:15:14 PM] Bryan Choo (nirvAnA): and get gm
[5/06/2012 9:15:19 PM] Rossi: but each post looks like its taken very little time
[5/06/2012 9:15:28 PM] Rossi: yea jazbas had that theory
[5/06/2012 9:15:34 PM] Bryan Choo (nirvAnA): because
[5/06/2012 9:15:38 PM] Bryan Choo (nirvAnA): i once played him asking game on skype
[5/06/2012 9:15:44 PM] Bryan Choo (nirvAnA): and rolled him so hard
[5/06/2012 9:15:46 PM] Bryan Choo (nirvAnA): when just the week b4
[5/06/2012 9:15:48 PM] Bryan Choo (nirvAnA): i got raped
[5/06/2012 9:15:48 PM] Bryan Choo (nirvAnA): so bad
[5/06/2012 9:15:54 PM] Bryan Choo (nirvAnA): the skill difference was enormous
[5/06/2012 9:16:00 PM] Bryan Choo (nirvAnA): and on ladder he hardly talks at all
[5/06/2012 9:16:10 PM] Bryan Choo (nirvAnA): like he doesnt know me
[5/06/2012 9:16:16 PM] Bryan Choo (nirvAnA): so i thoguth that was suspicious
[5/06/2012 9:16:29 PM] Bryan Choo (nirvAnA): but his style is so unique/cheesy
[5/06/2012 9:16:35 PM] Rossi: well
[5/06/2012 9:16:40 PM] Bryan Choo (nirvAnA): and he also sucked in a lot of toruanments


So now the case widens... Chobo may not even be playing on these accounts at all. How can we prove this?

Well after some searching around we have fairly damning evidence:

Chobo's many Hotkeys setups

Hotkey Setup 1 (BIG THANKS TO MAFIA FOR SHOWING ME THIS VIDEO WHICH LEAD TO THIS)
http://www.twitch.tv/hybridslipper/b/306878207
1-4 Units
5: All Production Facilities
6: Orbital commands
7: Engineering Bay
These hotkeys remain consistent throughout both games in this VOD, big thanks to Navi for having this up!
http://imgur.com/Pdcjm

Hotkey Setup 2
http://www.twitch.tv/asgchobo/b/308023407

1-3: Units
4: Baracks Production
5: Orbital Commands
6: Starport production
This is apparently footage of Chobo streaming
http://imgur.com/XMCTd

Hotkey Setup 3
1. Orbital Commands
2. Expansion
3. Production Facilities
4. Units
http://imgur.com/rGuWG
This is the hotkey setup from the account when it was named Yamama
http://drop.sc/191955

Hotkey Setup 4
1. Baracks Production
2. Factory Production
3. Starport Production
4. Units
7. Expansion 3
8. Expansion 2
9. Expansion 1
0. Oribtal Command
http://imgur.com/NcCCe
http://drop.sc/193167

Most recent hotkey setup found for AsgChobo.

Now i want to focus specifically on hotkey setup number 4 at the moment -remember, there is 4 different hotkey setups all apparently Chobo's- as due to my detective work i have found out who this player actually corresponds to.

You may be wondering to yourself: "how on earth did he find another player who's hotkeys these correspond to?" and lucky for you im going to show you!

To be honest this was a bit of a Hail Mary. Upon looking at www.twitch.tv/asgchobo i noticed something. He was following someones stream....
This person can be seen here http://imgur.com/3Scgk

Now i'm thinking to myself... why on earth would he follow such an obscure player... For those who may not know vvvseohyeon aka lofseohyeon is a high rated Korean GM player who has very little interaction with our community but has laddered on SEA and NA.

So i throw that Hail Mary and check out one of my replays vs VVVSeohyeonfrom NA ladder and notice something very interesting!

Lets just take a look at his hotkeys shall we?
http://i.imgur.com/dgvme.jpg
http://drop.sc/193166

1. Baracks Production
2. Factory Production
3. Starport Production
4. Units
0. Oribtal Command

If you're still skeptical i would love for you to take a look at these replays and compare the initial 4 minutes of game time to compare the habit and tendency for the way that seohyeon rotates through his hotkeys.... for example at the beginning of the game he sets CC to 1-4 and 0, then continues to rotate the 1-4 hotkeys.

Sc2gears Analysis

This picture details 3 games of VVVseohyeon and his standard hotkey graph
http://imgur.com/dsnOl

This picture details 3 games of AsgChobo and his standard hotkey graph compaerd to vvvseohyeons from the previous image

http://imgur.com/DiOQg

I simply grabbed random replays for this test and found it to be pretty dam accurate...

I would like to make the claim that it was seohyeon playing on Chobo's account on Sunday in the masters cup.

OK YOU STILL WANT MORE PROOF?

http://challonge.com/mc15 VVVseohyeon plays in this masters cup, Chobo does not ( THIS IS THE INTERNATIONAL MASTERS CUP)

http://challonge.com/mc16
http://challonge.com/mc17

Chobo plays in these 2 cups that are SEA only... Worth thinking about. These are the only masters cups that these 2 players play in.


More?

Chobo and Seohyeon both love a good 2 racks... One thing i noticed both these players do where they both already have the exact same hotkey setup is that they actually both hotkey the 2 baracks seperately!

Heres some more exhibits...

http://www.twitch.tv/limjinsutpz/b/320262962?t=76m0s An example of his proxy 2 racks and bunker wallin as exhibited vs enderr in the masters cup

http://www.twitch.tv/limjinsutpz/b/320262962?t=83m0s and another!

and a replay pack of chobo's 2 rackses

http://www.mediafire.com/?8c54p4t5spp9q03

Too similar to dispute.

Mafia wanted me to just keep it simple so heres 2 examples of 2 racks in which the hotkeys follow the exact same path

http://drop.sc/193171
http://drop.sc/193172


Conclusion

I think its finally safe to say that AsgChobo has not been honest with us and thus everything he has said to us so far has to be treated with a grain of salt.

lets take a trip down memory lane and have a look at some of the bullshit he has tried to feed us...

starting with my personal favourite

AsgChobo: "I dont have anything to hide"

+ Show +


AsgChobo: "It's the only thing I can really do, because those games I was actually not hacking in so yeah...."

AsgChobo: "chad. I am sure YOU deep down know I don't need to stream cheat/hack/be a boss or which ever your trying to make calls on atm... to win because I am already skilled enough to take the win. You did have interest in me for this reason did you not? sigh... glad never went down that path I would never be part of that syndicate."

Chobo's GF: "I don't know what all the fuss is about? This mafia guy chobo didnt even flinch at, he smashed his keyboard when he lost to ender. Ender truly must be the stronger player here."

AsgChobo: "YES, that is exactly right, my very first win. after not doing so well in previous mc, seasl etc. it just aligned for me. I have been receiving additional coaching and have improved quite a lot since last season."

AsgChobo: "offline WELL- I do have a very "risky" play style, I did do well only lost to GM player mostly. The circumstances were I lost to a lower player were lucky instances where have cought double scvs going to build dual port banshee or similar dicey circumstances. "

AsgChobo: "Dude I appreciate the fact that people make the decision after they here both sides of stories. But this could go on forever. I know I am innocent, my girlfriend knows I am innocent... This is all I need to really be at peace with myself. The fact a few others are neutral and cant come to a conclusion and I know I have support others is enough for me to say its inconclusive.

AsgChobo: "I really do not have the time to sit here and argue every single situation and position. Sorry. I am sure admins including nirvana and others will watch replays and post their views because this is a massive accusation and give their conclusions."



Lastly i want to take a look at Chobo's path up until this point and my interpretation of it.
Chobo starts out with some harmless portrait farming in season 2(indicated by http://www.sc2sea.com/showpost.php?p...&postcount=753 yet hilariously denied by chobo). He then provides or pays multiple people to smurf on his account for him to achieve significantly high win ratios and rankings on the SEA ladder. As his confidence grows so is his willingess to risk it all. this is simply my opinion in regards to the hacks as i still find there were so many signifcant signs of hacking.

I want to end on this note that i feel most of us would share... (thanks to NvPinder for the video)

You Tube
You Tube


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hardy evidence
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gg. ******* disgusting
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Seeya mate..
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looks pretty damning imo
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Amazing detective work lol
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Holy shit
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good detective work hard-on boys =)
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This the type of stuff that was needed to be brought forward. Well done, mr holmes
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Rossi you rule
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This babe needs a Pizza for all his hard work!
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***** got fucked
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OP
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You deserve credit for this work
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for the effort
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bye bye
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these gave me raging clues
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good work
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detective rossi !
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