[NoObHuNtEr]

in zvp ive been playing around with some early upgrades but it always seems to end with me haveing too much or too little gas to use after... and atm it just feels .. wrong ... anyone got a actul build for quick +2+2 roaches?

[VB_Rhuubarb]

I don't know any fast upgrade builds for roaches, but doesn't ling/infestor go for quick double upgrades?

[Fenner]

You could try fast double ups ling infestor style, then get yourself to broods asap. It's pretty strong and there should be a lot of reps of destiny doing this for you to learn from. Stephano does it from time to time now too, you need to go very heavy on the spines though and make sure you watch out for colo as you will need to corruptors to clean them up.

gl hf

edit: Also if you're specifically looking for roach heavy styles make sure you check out this day9 daily of ret playing a heavy 3 base roach hydra style with lots of juicy upgrades, might just be right up your alley!

http://blip.tv/day9tv/day-9-daily-42...et-zvp-5969774

[mGGDrGooSe]

tgun will use a fast upgrade infestor ling style in ZvT from time to time, so be sure to check out his stream. My first thought on fast 2/2 roaches is what does it give you? Maybe define for us better when and why you want them and is this ZvZ or ZvP?

[ToRRedemption]

Originally Posted by Drgoose

Maybe define for us better when and why you want them and is this ZvZ or ZvP?

he has got a point a heavy roach composition with fast 2 2 is more of a zvz style
If you want builds with fast upgrades watch this day 9 daily with destinys build order, it gives you an extremely fast 3 3 and hive tech at around the 15 minute mark while still maintaining a strong unit composition even able to take out the protoss deathball

You Tube

You Tube

Here is another link to destiny trying a fast pluz one attack build to hold off that first zealot push or even 6 gate timings

You Tube

You Tube

if you get interested in these videos watch the other parts they are really good

[Aights]

I don't think 2/2 roaches will be effective, by then you'll have a lair and hive coming close and roaches are specifically only good during early to mid game
You could try get double upgrades before lair with all 4 gases or 3, but in the end I don't think the 2/2 roaches will pay off
Have you seen their dps?! Kim Kardashians wedding is like the speed of light in comparison

BUT if you really love roaches, I advise incorporate nydus into your strategy, not sneaky ones but faster reinforcements
Because the main goal of mass roaches is to be consistent due to their 2 supply and if you keep on popping them from your base you'll end up spreading too thin

[SLCN.Kez]

2/2 is kinda unnecessary but 2/0 roaches rape shit and can come out pretty quick if you start +1 early enough, a good timing to hit is lair around 7 30, grab a few gases, make a 2nd roach warren, when lair pops start +2, speed, burrow, burrow movement, then make maass roach of like 60 drones, works pretty well against most shit if you got good macro.

If you are finding you have too much gas either:
Take the gases later
Take less Geysers,
Play around with when you take ur 3/4 geyser,
Take guys off geysers when you got the gas you need.
Generally a good timing is 2 gases at 6:00, ling speed with first 100 gas, roach warren/evo down round 7:30, start lair with next 100 gas, take 3rd gas, start +1 attack, take 4th/5th gas depending.

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