[TABiggun]

Originally Posted by Sedz

I love it when you disprove me. Go ahead and tell me where I was blatantly incorrect?
I couldn't care who you are, but some of the shit you said was plain retarded.

@ ChadMann

While I will admit he hasn't really come to LANs, and yeah, he does have a lot to prove off-line wise, I still think people should lay off so aggressively accusing until we actually have an executive decision by people who are in no way related to this community.

You were blatantly incorrect by saying there were "baseless claims with absolutely no justification or logic" from rossi, myself and others when you yourself have not provided any logical support / proof to your argument.

[TAScaramanga]

Originally Posted by Sedz

If you read my write up I did on what Rossi said, I indirectly say this is illogical and stupid, and he has thrown an insult at me, and I'm asking him to back it up now. He starts throwing around leagues like it's supposed to mean something, and if it does, why doesn't he prove it means something by saying where I was wrong in my initial analysis?

Heads up, I didn't call it all plain retarded, in fact, some of the points were well picked out, I said some of the points.

Go away troll

[dippa]

Originally Posted by Sedz

I still think people should lay off so aggressively accusing until we actually have an executive decision by people who are in no way related to this community.

People who aren't related to the community shouldn't be within a bee's dick of making "executive decisions" for that community.

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[Kepler]

Originally Posted by dippa

People who aren't related to the community shouldn't be within a bee's dick of making "executive decisions" for that community.

Why are you implying Sedz wants to make that executive decision? His argument is that a bunch of TA guys shouldn't be the one to make decisions. There's far too much bias and emotion on both sides of this argument.

Edit: My bad, I misread.

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	TAriiChard:	LOL he's not implying that sedz wants to make the executive decision.......
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[Rage]

nirvana, can I make a request that this thread be locked for 48 hours? That gives people time to think, it gives CatZ time to respond in the affirmative and negative, and in general will put the brakes on this utter stupidity that has been the last 1-2 pages.

It is doing nobody any good remaining open right now.

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	EveVendetta:	He has not been posting 'stupid crap'.

[NvRossi]

Originally Posted by Sedz

If you read my write up I did on what Rossi said, I indirectly say this is illogical and stupid, and he has thrown an insult at me, and I'm asking him to back it up now. He starts throwing around leagues like it's supposed to mean something, and if it does, why doesn't he prove it means something by saying where I was wrong in my initial analysis?

Heads up, I didn't call it all plain retarded, in fact, some of the points were well picked out, I said some of the points.

when you waste hours on something and then get told its baseless and lacks logic by someone who has little to no weight to their word and is obviously ignoring your evidence. I can understandably be taken aback. Nonetheless your analysis consisted of one replay, your points remain invalid.

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[dippa]

Originally Posted by Kepler

Why are you implying Sedz wants to make that executive decision? His argument is that a bunch of TA guys shouldn't be the one to make decisions. There's far too much bias and emotion on both sides of this argument.

What? Are you out of your mind?

Where on earth did I say or imply that Sedz wanted to make the executive decision? I'm simply saying that communities should deal with shit in-house. What does it say about SEA if we have to call on pros from North America - who aren't as good as some of our players, to be frank - or anyone else, to make decisions for us?

[syfChadMann]

OKAY ENOUGH OF THE HE SAID THIS YOU SAID THAT BULLSHIT

If you are not going to add to the discussion or bring into light new evidence or prove some sort of defence.
DON'T
FKING
POST.

The end.

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[x5.Revenant]

Originally Posted by Sedz

If you read my write up I did on what Rossi said, I indirectly say this is illogical and stupid, and he has thrown an insult at me, and I'm asking him to back it up now. He starts throwing around leagues like it's supposed to mean something, and if it does, why doesn't he prove it means something by saying where I was wrong in my initial analysis?

Heads up, I didn't call it all plain retarded, in fact, some of the points were well picked out, I said some of the points.

Him throwing around leagues is just an indirect indication of how much a player generally knows and generally mean his valid a person's analysis is. It does mean something. Imagine if 100 people from Bronze all the way to GM analyzed, whose analysis will hold a higher value?

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People don't want to admit it, but higher leagues is better analyses, especially when it's one of the best terran in sea

[Sedz]

Originally Posted by dippa

People who aren't related to the community shouldn't be within a bee's dick of making "executive decisions" for that community.

Then why are people wanting to get Catz involved? I was kind of implying that it shouldn't be left up to anyone who's big in this community because obviously their opinion is biased as demonstrated in this thread.

Anyways, I'm out for arguing for one night. Just going to wait and see what ends up happening.

And if CHobo is proven to be a hacker I will gladly eat my words and apologise to all those who I may have offended, and if he isn't, well, we'll see how mature this community is.

[UHF]

I noticed a few people talking about Vikings and their flight paths, so i rewatched the games on Ohana (again) and took caps and notes.



I took note of all the flight nodes that were taken or intended to be taken for Vikings (sometimes they changed course or were killed). I also took note of the Medivac drop paths (pink), in case there was some kind of 'muscle memory' thing going on.

LEFT MINIMAP - Northern position
- Scout to own 3rd then to top right
- To Expo outside main
- Scout across front of base
- Behind 3rd base
- Up Left side

MIDDLE MINIMAP - Southern position
- Scout to own 3rd then to bottom left
- To Expo outside main
- Scout across front of base
- Behind 3rd base
- Down right side

RIGHT MINIMAP - Northern position
- Scout across own 3rd
- To Expo outside main
- Back up then across map to own expo
- Down behind 3rd base
- Back up, then to top right
- Down right side

All 3 games had REDICUOUSLY similar flight 'plans'. Scout out his own 3rd base, go to the corner, go to the opponents expo/main, then scout the other side of the map. The only difference between the 3 games, is in 2 of them he scouts across the front of his opponents base. The game where he DOESN'T do this is when he encounters units at the opponents expo (2nd step), and instead of cutting across the map he goes back up and around the long way to complete the 'plan'. Whether he knows it or not, he has a routine for his Vikings.

Also, his Medivac drops were quite similar - one at an expo and one at the main. TAKE NOTE - many of these medivac drops were sent through overlord sight.

I know it doesn't totally prove he is innocent, but I would suggest it's a pretty good counter arguement.

Proof I capped all this rubbish is below - but not terribly interesting.

+ [Flight Path image 01] +

+ [Flight Path Image 02] +

+ [Flight Path Image 03] +

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	nirvAnA:	This is amazing. You are amazing sir. We need more posts LIKE this.
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	iVnStinger:	Contributing a lot. Good work sir!
	Kepler:	This would've taken some serious effort. Nice job.
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[TABiggun]

I just don't know how on shakuras vs mafia at 5:30 chobo randomly looks at the main and natural for no reason, how this is not evidence.

[SanG]

Originally Posted by Sedz

Then why are people wanting to get Catz involved? I was kind of implying that it shouldn't be left up to anyone who's big in this community because obviously their opinion is biased as demonstrated in this thread.

Anyways, I'm out for arguing for one night. Just going to wait and see what ends up happening.

And if CHobo is proven to be a hacker I will gladly eat my words and apologise to all those who I may have offended, and if he isn't, well, we'll see how mature this community is.

He's just one guy, who's not from this community.

Besides, someone has already sent in the replays.

Also, you're like um spastic -_- Chill bro

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lol

[NvRossi]

only the initial flight plans are relevant imo as the rest could simply be a guise to distract observers.

The accuracy of the initial attack paths, especially the 3rd game is irrefutable. All overlords are taken out with the first attack path.

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Kepler:

So he's damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't? How does that make sense?

[NvRossi]

@Kepler: So he's damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't? How does that make sense?

my point is the initial paths are damning...

[MooZfY]

Originally Posted by Aequitas

can't we all just get along
heres a cat to make everyone feel good

I clicked and this is what I got..

+ Show +

[Kepler]

Originally Posted by NvRossi

@Kepler: So he's damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't? How does that make sense?

my point is the initial paths are damning...

They're exactly the same pattern though. I'm not refuting your point, I just don't see why they're damning if someone follows a similar pattern each game.

[syfChadMann]

Originally Posted by UHF

+ [UHF Post] +

I noticed a few people talking about Vikings and their flight paths, so i rewatched the games on Ohana (again) and took caps and notes.



I took note of all the flight nodes that were taken or intended to be taken for Vikings (sometimes they changed course or were killed). I also took note of the Medivac drop paths (pink), in case there was some kind of 'muscle memory' thing going on.

LEFT MINIMAP - Northern position
- Scout to own 3rd then to top right
- To Expo outside main
- Scout across front of base
- Behind 3rd base
- Up Left side

MIDDLE MINIMAP - Southern position
- Scout to own 3rd then to bottom left
- To Expo outside main
- Scout across front of base
- Behind 3rd base
- Down right side

RIGHT MINIMAP - Northern position
- Scout across own 3rd
- To Expo outside main
- Back up then across map to own expo
- Down behind 3rd base
- Back up, then to top right
- Down right side

All 3 games had REDICUOUSLY similar flight 'plans'. Scout out his own 3rd base, go to the corner, go to the opponents expo/main, then scout the other side of the map. The only difference between the 3 games, is in 2 of them he scouts across the front of his opponents base. The game where he DOESN'T do this is when he encounters units at the opponents expo (2nd step), and instead of cutting across the map he goes back up and around the long way to complete the 'plan'. Whether he knows it or not, he has a routine for his Vikings.

Also, his Medivac drops were quite similar - one at an expo and one at the main. TAKE NOTE - many of these medivac drops were sent through overlord sight.

I know it doesn't totally prove he is innocent, but I would suggest it's a pretty good counter arguement.

Proof I capped all this rubbish is below - but not terribly interesting.

+ [Flight Path image 01] +

+ [Flight Path Image 02] +

+ [Flight Path Image 03] +

Great effort -
However, the pathing is actually significantly different - screens worth of different locations and the pathing is very, very close to alot of overlords. This does as much to disprove he is a hacker as prove it tho.. In the replays - are there always Overlords in those locations? does the similarity in play from the zergs explain the similar flight paths of the viking?.. knowing there are Ovies there.

But this evidence does help..

[NvRossi]

Originally Posted by Kepler

They're exactly the same pattern though. I'm not refuting your point, I just don't see why they're damning if someone follows a similar pattern each game.

http://www.sc2sea.com/showpost.php?p...&postcount=621

[ROOT`iaguz]

His initial viking path in the metropolis game against ender completely misses an overlord. Your argument is invalid. In fact absolutely nothing in the metropolis game suggests he's hacking at all, he plays a completely normal legit game.