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**Frogmite** · Tue, 13th-Dec-2011, 11:02 AM

Actually i don't think we have more smurfs this season than last one. It's just that we found more of them in season 2. Making league-restricted competition will always involve smurfing. We cannot stop it, but we can reduce the impact of it.

It's very hard today to determine who is a smurf or who's not, because we're drawing a subjective line of skills to not cross. However, if we want to organize competitions, we have to deal with it. There will always be smurfing, voluntary or not. What we clearly don't want is to make players ladder on other servers/account and not on their SEA one.

There will be a new clan league system coming early 2012, and there will be a BSG division attached to it. Even if we have a lot of problems with smurfing, we will still organize competitions for the BSG players because we love them more than anyone else. The format will be different, and made to reduce smurfing, so be all prepared for a few changes.

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	rezyn8:	Keep up the good work! Would be happy to help out next season as well
	EXCL:	looking forward to!

TAEdarus · Tue, 13th-Dec-2011, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Frogmite

...we will still organize competitions for the BSG players because we love them more than anyone else.

I used to be a happy person like you, then I took an arrow in the knee

**Maynarde** · Tue, 13th-Dec-2011, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by TAEdarus

I used to be a happy person like you, then I took an arrow in the knee

I've taken arrows to the knee AND shoulder, I've been stuck by swords and set on fire by an angry mage who thinks I stole from him. But I still love the community T_T

**syfChadMann** · Tue, 13th-Dec-2011, 11:20 AM

Sounds good.... very excited for the next season..
As for my teams NA accounts, I'll be collecting them all and editing this post to display everyone's NA account.

Many of the Clanless bunch don't use their NA accounts - but I will be posting details of everyone as I recieve them:
Myself,

on NA I don't think I've done placement this season - but feel free to look up my account (ChadMann.754) (http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2730319/1/ChadMann/)
Avenger:
UpWaiting:

on NA (http://sc2ranks.com/us/3161074/UpWaiting)
EvilSWAT:
Lorzy:
Hydro:
Incognito:
SmokyMcPot: As far as I am aware - Smoky is the only player to worry about. However I firmly believe he is not a smurf - he placed in

on NA in Season 2.. after playing 1 solid day and winning his 5 placement matches (straight placement into diamond)- I believe he has not played any other matches - and No offence to smoky, but if he did ladder hard on that account... I believe he would be demoted into a more suitable league - at this stage he is not

skill level... but I have spoken to smoky and if it is request he be removed from the league this is acceptable... However his BSGCL record isn't outstanding and does not suggest he is smurf.
Random:
spaZzNx:
Bash:
suman: Inactive on NA - previous season 2 placement

(http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2424948/1/EGIdrA/) - Do laugh at his player name.. XD

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Bash:

Bash 635 (I'm in plat too) +rep for the collection of details.

FaDeZerO · Tue, 13th-Dec-2011, 11:54 AM

In my opinion Chad you shouldn't really have to publicize your team's NA accounts... You can check them for sure but maybe in private and deal with them accordingly. I believe this because everyone trusts you Chad, you have an amazing reputation and credibility.

Also for those who think I am a smurf... and I know you're out there.
http://sc2ranks.com/us/2133988/FreedomWing
FreedomWing.408 - Add me if you don't believe it's me.

EDIT: Apologies Edarus for coming off "overly defensive" but my post is purely precautionary, should someone be suspicious of me the next time I play and win. Also, I HAVE heard the rumours... so it really wasn't fair to rep me and say that no one is attacking me. It may not have publicly or to my face but I have heard them.

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	TAEdarus:	You seem overly defensive, nobody is attacking you =(
	syfChadMann:	+1 to balance and for being open and honest..

**syfChadMann** · Tue, 13th-Dec-2011, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by FaDeZerO

In my opinion Chad you shouldn't really have to publicize your team's NA accounts... You can check them for sure but maybe in private and deal with them accordingly. I believe this because everyone trusts you Chad, you have an amazing reputation and credibility.

While this may or may not be true... (I don't know for sure what everyone's opinion of me is..)
full disclosure and complete translucency legitimises this league even further.

While it might seem unnecessary to post the teams NA accounts I firmly believe that if you have nothing to hide - it doesn't matter if you show it to everyone.

Anyway - perhaps future provisions should be considered in sign ups for preceding seasons, where players (competing in any BSG League) post both their NA and SEA account leagues.

**rezyn8** · Tue, 13th-Dec-2011, 12:12 PM

It would actually be good if sc2ranks was able to link NA/SEA accounts automatically.

**rezyn8** · Tue, 13th-Dec-2011, 12:15 PM

The only way to verify a players NA account is to add them in game and talk to them on the NA server. Anyone can post a NA account and say it is them - it still needs verification.

ZCPooSmear · Tue, 13th-Dec-2011, 12:19 PM

Yeah I agree with rezyn8, add the email of the account in SEA. That would eliminate over 90% of smurfing in my pov. However it is a little tedious.

**rezyn8** · Tue, 13th-Dec-2011, 12:36 PM

I think it may get to a point that the Clan Leaders have a listing of all relevant details for their players which can be requested by the admins of the leagues to verify a players' league if a complaint rises. It adds a hell of a lot of overhead but if we are serious about ruling out smurfs then it may be a necessary evil.

The weird thing is, I never got an opportunity to change my game ID on the NA server - it automatically set me as rezyn#772 (which I don't mind) - it might have been done through the battle.net web site.

As for transparency, I have updated my sig with my NA account. Its platinum but I only ranked up on the day that Dox Cup #2 was running and have only played my 5 placement matches. My SEA account is quite obviously my main. Does this mean I am breaking the rules?

**Maynarde** · Tue, 13th-Dec-2011, 1:18 PM

Thanks guys for the suggestions, don't stress over the possibility of smurfing next season though. It won't really be necessary to link your NA account as (what Frogmite said in his post) there will most likely be a new clan league system that will remove the need to smurf. More details coming in in 2012.

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rezyn8:

Can't wait!

KAshadowz · Tue, 13th-Dec-2011, 5:42 PM

I want to take this chance to personally apologise to everyone that has been affect by what has happened. Personally when I requested details from all the players at signup everyone was well within the BSG range levels. I have been unaware that FantasyBoy has reached diamond over the course of this season and I apologise once again to FaDe A for this.

As for the fate of Kelvin's Army after today, at least in the BSGCL we may have to pull out of the league due to the removal of certain players combined with many of our players being overseas on holidays. I will have to contact some players to find out when they can return but if they are unable to, best wishes to the remaining teams in the competition

♥ Shadowz

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	syfChadMann:	Not your fault - pity it came to this.. T_T
	Maynarde:	Thank you for taking it so well, sorry it came to this
	TAEdarus:	Its a shame it happened but i'm glad you took it well

ToRSpookToR · Tue, 13th-Dec-2011, 6:49 PM

Hey KA you guys need a slut?
I don't think i can slut though i wason ToR throughout this season and idk how bringing in a new play works this season :P but if its ohk with the admins if you need me just let me know

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KAshadowz:

I'll come to you if we dont have enough :)

ZC.EvilSWAT · Tue, 13th-Dec-2011, 7:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Spo0k

Hey KA you guys need a slut?

I'll pay you ten bucks. Now get in the car.

Goldie · Wed, 14th-Dec-2011, 3:12 PM

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Originally Posted by EvilSWAT

I'll pay you ten bucks. Now get in the car.

ill pay 20 ^^

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ToRSpookToR:

for you its free

sRFullstop · Tue, 13th-Dec-2011, 7:10 PM

Slut?...

10char

ToRSpookToR · Tue, 13th-Dec-2011, 7:29 PM

Slut is a term for someone to play on a team they are not part of the used it in CoD 1,2,4 and bf3 communitys i guess not sc2 :P

ToRSpookToR · Tue, 13th-Dec-2011, 8:08 PM

Nothing around my ass and no kissing

ZCPooSmear · Tue, 13th-Dec-2011, 9:58 PM

whore-ing thread ...

**syfChadMann** · Tue, 13th-Dec-2011, 10:04 PM

HAHAHAAA... yeah Slut was a term used in CS too...
but it does mean people not part of the team - filling in so that team had a full roster of 5 or so....

Have to see if admins would permit this tho... and I think these 'sluts' would (if permitted) be announced long before any matches...

It also wouldn't be fair for KA to go and pick an all-stars team out of the teams that have finished their season...