[Maxi0wnz]

So after much help from Aequitas i decided to focus on a more macro orientated style of ZVZ, and I'm having troubles but not sure what they are. Would be much appreciated if someone could analyse the replay below. Also a ZVZ build would help alot, have been using
http://imbabuilds.com/hots-zerg/hots...ngbane-opener/
( I'm thinking the unit comp he had was just better, but i had 2-2 and he had 1-1, so not sure)
http://ggtracker.com/matches/4013351
Thanks in advance
P.S Currently in High Silver
Also could someone change the title of this post, feel so silly D:

[Malice]

http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=202

[syfChase]

Originally Posted by Maxi0wnz

So after much help from Aequitas

Well there's your first problem

Standard ling bane opener is generally all you need up to diamond league, it can be quite unpredictable in silver though, but the main difference between lower leagues and higher is mechanics, so work on your macro and injecting through practice and you will definitely break silver in to gold, then gold into plat and so on!

[SLCN.Kez]

OK, so since im pretty much the king of zvz heres what ya need to do. This build beats everything but also loses to everything if you have shit micro and mechanics, so welcome to the world of zvz.

15 Pool
16 Hatch
15 gas
14 overlord.

At this point in the game is where you will see if he has gone for an early pool or not with your overlord. If yes, make lings, if not, make 2 drones, then make queen (this will give you slightly later first round of drones but otherwise you wont have money for drones anyway.)

Get speed, Inject hatchery with queen, walk queen to nat, start queen in main, throw down baneling nest when you have 50 gas.

After you've seen his nat hatchery with your ovie you scout your lings into his main to check his gas timings. As your lings hit his base make 1 set of lings to morph defensive banes for the possibility of aggression. If his gas is any great than 50 more than yours he has taken a very early as and is probably speedling all-inning you or going for a bigger ling/bane attack and you need to be worried (any less than 50 gas he won't really have a substantial higher baneling count and his nest wont be much quicker than yours and you are pretty safe).

So, assuming he hasn't done a pressure, you're both just droning, with those 2 lings before we made send them to his base (should be just about as speed is finishing) to scout if hes doing a late ling/bane/roach pressure but this will also see what tech hes usually going (if theres a roach warren/2/evos/early lair). At this point you should be putting down your third hatchery and react to what he's doing, and have full saturation on 2 bases (~32 drones minerals, 12 on 4 gases).

GENERALLY my rule of thumb is to constantly make lings until i know either My third hatch is safe, or his has been cancelled. But i like to open mutas about 100% of the time so im naturally going to be a bit ling heavy.

And thats it. Those are really the only timings you need to be aware of with this opener. Now the hard part of this opener is you have to micro incredibly ******* well and be REALLY sharp about the decision to make drones or lings. You'll always have 2 defensive set of lings to morph into banes, but other than that you need to micro them around perfectly to buy you enough time for your lings and extra morphing banes to pop. Sometimes you might even lose a queen but thats ok, he pressured you first and needs to get a decent amount of damage done to make it worthwhile.

The two rounds of larvae after your first is when you should have some form of information about whether you need to drone. Ie. you should have a set of lings in his base telling showing you either: he made lings, so i need to, or: He made drones so I can.

And those are the basics of how you'll always 100% get into a safe macro game. After that theres so many different theories and mechanics and strategies and styles that make zvz the wonderful orgasmic match up that it is, but those take thousands of games to understand and get good at.

If you **** something up with this build and die to an early pressure you either didnt have enough scouting info, or fucked up micro, chances are its the latter. GL HF

[NairX.Totodile]

Originally Posted by SLCN.Kez

OK, so since im pretty much the king of zvz heres what ya need to do. This build beats everything but also loses to everything if you have shit micro and mechanics, so welcome to the world of zvz.

the king of zvz is life...

and i think kingkong would be ahead of youi :P

[Satu]

Originally Posted by Totodile

the king of zvz is life...

and i think kingkong would be ahead of youi :P

Excuse me, jaedong would like to have a word with you.

[SLCN.Kez]

I'll smash em all

[NairX.Totodile]

Originally Posted by xGKingSatu

Excuse me, jaedong would like to have a word with you

why bother ill get roro onto his ass.

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"One does not simply Hook like Dendi"

[Matt93]

Originally Posted by Totodile

why bother ill get roro onto his ass.

Roro is almost as washed up as Sniper, almost joining the ranks of forgotten champions

PS: Why is your sig written instead of in the sig area? I don't like accidentally quoting things.

[Melord]

how do u stop those people who go ling upgrades just rapes people who muta