[syfPhoenix]

ok guys... i cananot beat zvz and ill give replays soon but for the moment ive tried speedlings expands and i loose to roachs i try muta i loose to roach, i try roach i loose to speedling... is there any advice any1 can give me on how to play zvz

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nirvAnA:

Please be more specific and put more effort into the OP

[Uglymutt]

In the meantime i highly suggest you check out the following link http://raa-media.nl/blog/starcraft2/zvz-alpha-omega for a great breakdown of ZvZ, hopefully it'll help you.

[ToRDjvillian]

Originally Posted by PhoenixA

ok guys... i cananot beat zvz and ill give replays soon but for the moment ive tried speedlings expands and i loose to roachs i try muta i loose to roach, i try roach i loose to speedling... is there any advice any1 can give me on how to play zvz

scout what he's doing and maybe throw down some spines to deal with lings.

i find that with ZvZ whoever has the most roaches or most infestors wins.

[syfPhoenix]

yes but generally my games end before then :/

[AvPoker]

You lose to roach with speedlings? Are you kidding me?

[aLtShortizz]

+1 speedlings maybe? Roach isnt a MUST in ZvZ.

[Meatex]

Search, I wrote a good guide a while back

[PiG]

If you're below diamond go 14 gas, 14 pool. stop droning at 15. Get banes nest ASAP. Morph 4-6 banelings and kill all his workers. This should give you about a 60-70% win ratio up to diamond atleast.

Once you PERFECT this add in a drone scout. If you see a roach warren going up before your bane nest then you can just expand, add some drone, and then mass ling to deny your opponents expo if he tries to take it.

From there head for +1 roaches and hit a timing attack as +1 finishes and rally speeds after.

I can't give more specific advice without reps. Though 95% the above advice is the best advice.

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	Satu:	And thats how I win while smurfing in gold league
	syfPhoenix:	much love <3

[syfPhoenix]

thanks alot pig... i tried this a few times and it works a treat gotta love your work bro +1

[Meatex]

14,14 works till low-mid masters level if played well and actually i think its perfectly valid at the highest levels too (moonglade loves his 14,14)
I would say no need to drone scout as your first lings will be able to scout and you'll have just enough time to cancel bane nest

[syfPhoenix]

ok thank you all for the advice continue on with the advice is you wish would be good for all who read (and play zerg)

[biogenie]

for me i have been testing with hatch expand on the big maps Tal Darim
9 scout
9 OL
15 hatch
14 pool
13 vespene
drone to 15
OL
Queen x 1
lings / spine at expo if you see a rush coming...

The extra larvae should be able to fend off early pressure and hold you long enough to push with more units. If he goes banes.. its up to ur micro and spine placements

[Snx`Azz]

all the way till high grandmaster you can simply hide lings in your main till you have like 50 and then pretend to take an expansion and cancel it and attack your opponent gg.