[syfIce]

Hey all i know this isnt a new idea but after talking to a few people i think it could happen again. Im talking a Nation wars tournament or a State of Origin if you would call it that with teams made up from QLD, NSW, Vic, SA, All Stars (rest of the states), NZ and last but not least Greater SEA eg: Singapore Malaysia etc..

Also instead of it just being the best players from each of the teams. we could sort of go along the line of clan war type divisions so you would have say DMGM GPD and BSG. Each team could say have 5 or 7 players per div (im unsure on numbers) have a round robin tournament which leads to a finals series.

Again i know this isnt a new idea, nothing official has been set up this is more a thread to see if we could actually make this happen..

I await your feedback

[Elusory]

The thing about making tournaments or whatever is, just do it. You don't need a pre-feedback thread to ask if people want it going or not. If you have the passion for it, just plan and then post the thread. Whoever wants to join will just follow the way you've set up the sign ups and sign up. Whoever doesn't want will just ignore it.

I would suggest doing away with , and focus all your admin energy into just the people who matter (objective is to see which state is the best).

I'll be transparent and show you what I have planned so far for this project, and if you want you can just go ahead and use my idea.

3-4 people per team, people form their own team
Must be from the same state
Philippines, Singapore and New Zealand all count as one individual state
Bo7 format, similar to current Nation Wars format
TI4 format, top 10 advances and then we do the playoffs thing
Games to be played throughout the week
One game each round to be streamed on a weekend, time depending on availability of players

I intended to do this after GPDL playoffs start because now my hands are still tied down. If someone does it earlier, I'm happy for that to happen.

Quick Comments

	mGGNemesis:	gogo work together!!
	ThatGuyDoMo:	i like the cut of your gib

[x5_Namakaye]

also ACT (canberra) has enough players to be their own team, dont need to gorup them with NT/TAS/WA however would probably need to group WA with another state seeing as frust is only player from those 3

[deL]

Clearly I have no idea of the activity or strength of the SC2 scene any more but I imagine you'd be best off leaning towards a NW rather than SoO - the previous ones had attendance issues and that was nearer the peak of SC2 in Aus.

With that in mind I'd be looking to make attendance as easy as possible and avoid walkovers. Round robins by nature have a higher risk of no-shows so perhaps a funky elimination style tournament would suit. It doesn't have to be your standard single-elim but double eliminations usually run on too long and can go overtime. Would you want the event to go over a month, a weekend, etc?

To make up for the fact that there is no round robin, you could use things like ladder ranks to help you determine seeds.

Smaller teams would also help (so try for a bo5 or 3x bo3s rather than bo7 ~ or even throw in something fun like 2v2?) and I like the inclusion of lower leagues because often they hold the most committed players.

Also I think a preliminary interest thread like this is a good idea so you can assess the strengths and numbers for each nation or state (and also their representation on sc2sea - if they aren't active here they are going to miss half the reminders to play).

EDIT: Oh if you're tossing up about whether to include lower leagues or not, I always had a B-Team competition for SoO running adjacent. The A-Teams were pretty much invites because it was obvious who the best players were for each state, but the B-Team was different and involved a lot of input for the captain picking a team. There was also tryouts and internal competitions to see who gets to be in the lineup. Although we probably wouldn't have the scope to field BSG or even plat players in B-Teams it would let a bunch of people who aren't "the usuals" join in!

Quick Comments

	mGGNemesis:	^_^
	syfIce:	Love it deL :D
	TAminimat:	love it too
	breadfan:	holy shit del lives!!

[SLCN.Kez]

Make it a single or double elim bracket tournament style that is ran over a weekend or MAX two weekends. The problem with these types of events is that people just aren't as dedicated to sc2 as they used to be and don't really give a **** over a period of 8 weeks, so attendance drops off then people stop being hyped and caring about it and the league won't even finish (see SEACL).

Do bo7 or bo9, have an A and B team with the best players and then the other randoms who want to play to have fun, seed it based on a few peoples discretions of which state is the strongest (this is possible if the people u speak to about who the best state is aren't retarded or 12 years old)

Personally I like to see all kill styles as it creates the best story lines (OMG I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT DUDE BEAT ALL OF X STATE' but i can see validity in having proleague style format where u send in a lineup.

Go vic

Quick Comments

	syfIce:	nice nice i like the idea of it not going for ever aswell all kill is more fun and such
	mGGNemesis:	this important point :)

[Matt93]

Victoria wins, thanks for playing.

[syfIce]

Maybe with all kill we could have a set roster from teams A and B and captains can choose from that on the night so everyone knows nothing fishy or w/e is going on

[deL]

The issue with all-kill is where you tell X player that the game starts at 5pm and he/she is waiting while it is 3-3 at 7pm and goes off to have dinner or whatever. It's hard to work around because you have to decide the order well in advance when really the format lends itself to on-the-fly tactical decisions, or the case is one where you tell the player to be there at 7pm and there are a bunch of cheese games and you're ready for them at 6pm.

Obviously the format works well in Korean events and whatnot but that's because they can justify waiting around for 2 hours because there's prize money to compensate that. Where that is not offered people have their lives to attend to!

Some formats include:

- 2 players per team, they each play the two players from the other team once and then play a 2v2 as a decider.
- the reduced 3 player all-kill so it doesn't take as long.
- 4 sets of 1v1 and if it ends up at 2:2 you have an "ace match" to decide, any combination of the games could be Bo1 or Bo3 so that the ace might be Bo3 while the other matches are Bo1, or vice versa. You can play the games simultaneously then if you aren't streaming that match. This rewards teams with depth but also weaker teams with one very good player still have a chance of taking an upset win, much like with all-kill.

The good thing with the B-Team is that you can have an expanded roster if enough people want to join. For the B-Team you could have a Bo7 or Bo9 format like this:

1v1 - Diamond players x2
1v1 - Plat players x2
1v1 - Gold players x2
1v1 - Silver players x1
1v1 - Bronze players x1
1v1 - Plat players x1

Sub any of those matches for a 2v2 or whatever if desired. Also you could include masters players if there is enough depth in the A-Teams. Another cool thing about the B-Teams is that if you want to keep the A-division league "pure" with single-states only (or countries) then the ones that don't make the cut can still participate in the B-Team. For example if Tasmania can't field a competitive A-Team they might still dominate the B-division.

Really it depends on how many players there are in each team and how reliably they can make the time! If it's a one or two weekend thing then it might not be an issue and they can put aside 4-5 hours for that day to make sure they will be around for their game.

Quick Comments

TAminimat:

love it

[eCKoa`ProzeR]

Sounds like a great idea! Just thinking about how it might sort of hard to arrange time for all the players who will come from different timezones Just saying hehe

Still great

[TtSYF.tRoy]

Would be cool to see, When i was thinking about this a while ago i considered this format
1. Australia
2. New Zealand
3. Singapore
4. Philippines
Each team has a roster of 5 players (determined from community voting from a pool of preselected players)
Best of 9 all kill.
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Double elimination played and streamed over one weekend.

Also considered;
1. Taiwan
2. Australia
3. New Zealand
4. Singapore
5. Philippines
6. Malaysia

Quick Comments

ThatGuyDoMo:

"Would be cool to SEA" hohohohoh

[syfIce]

I like the idea of having 2 players from each team (same state) if we could get like 8 teams in Say Group A (the best players from each state region) and then say 8 or even more in the B group with is being an elimination style tourny over one weekend

And from that make a show match which could say be a Bo9 so the 5 best players from each group A and B and make say an allstar show match

[syfChase]

can i rep antarctica since im not good enough to rep australia

me pox schnitzel antarctica represent

Quick Comments

	asdfSchnitzel:	yes antarctica is all random players, we rek you
	Pox:	antarctica tries so little that it's not even a state. get rekt tryhards

[SLCN.Petrify]

Victorias team is pretty legit depth wise, I think it'd have every other place covered in proleague format.

Deth (if he wants to, he's been streaming lately!)
Pezz
Rival
FIGHTO
Probe
Petrify
Chobosniper
Pox (he might be canberra i guess...)

and heaps more.

Quick Comments

	SLCN.Kez:	wow
	syfSoundwave:	Canberra needs Pox more than you do ^^

[SLCN.NXZ]

Originally Posted by SLCN.Petrify

Victorias team is pretty legit depth wise, I think it'd have every other place covered in proleague format.

Pezz
Rival
FIGHTO
Probe
Petrify
Chobosniper
Pox (he might be canberra i guess...)
and heaps more.

Was talking to Lawrence about this, no one can touch Victoria.

Quick Comments

syfChase:

mostly because i live there

[SLCN.Kez]

Don't lose sight of what you're trying to accomplish. State of Origin tournaments have always been about pride and who has the best team, not a bunch of people playing in a tournament who happen to be representing the same state. If you have too many teams its just gonna be 'this particularly vic team won' not VICTORIA won, which (for me anyway) kills the hype and makes it much less interesting.

However, if you have pezz vs iaguz for the grandfinal and winner gets to say suck my balls our state is the best? Now that shit would be cray cray.

Here's how you should do it

Have a VIC, NSW, QLD, SEA, MISC and NZ team, have two groups of 3, round robin bo7 groups, Round Robin being played saturday, top 1 from each group play Sunday in bo9. Get zephhnarde or whoever to cast it, pump sc2sea for some donations so u can put it on TL calender, pm a few twitters people + reddit to get ~200+ viewers, EZPZ we all have something fun to do in a few weekends time.

Quick Comments

FLuX:

didn't know California was allowed in the state of origin

[nGenLight]

Sydney has Pig.

[SLCN.Kez]

depending when they run it pig may not be back and have playable ping, but who knows

[SLCN.Petrify]

Originally Posted by iM Light

Sydney has Pig.

Which is why I said depth and proleague format, not all kill!

[syfChadMann]

Originally Posted by x5_NXZ

Was talking to Lawrence about this, no one can touch Victoria.

Brisbane:
KingkOng
mOOnGLaDe
NXZ.

Victoria Plz.

Quick Comments

	Pox:	was going to get mad but then i remembered schnitzel moved to antarctica
	asdfSchnitzel:	yes antarctica top tier
	syfChase:	Antarctica undefeated so fasr get on our lvl victoria and qld
	deL:	Gay Team: ChadMann LOL AMIRITE

[SLCNPezz]

I think proleague format over all kill, if we wanna see what state has the deepest skill rather than which state has the star players. Obviously players like Iaguz/Pig could all kill but I don't think that'd show anything new.

EDIT:

Also wanna mention how underrated Melbourne players are. Rival gets not nearly as much attention as he deserves, he destroyed groups at ACL sydney, and Fighto gets no credit either despite being one of the best protosses outside of LAN results. Probe and Petrify get lots of attention already, as do I, but there are lots of forgotten Melbourne players