[Pandatae]

I'm just a beginner so I wonder something. This morning I got a game with a terran player who is in higher level than me ( I looked at his avatar). I thought it's hard to beat him so I use banshee to harass him very early. I supprised that he has no way to stop my banshee and I killed almost of his SCVs. And he began to talk some bad thing with me during the game. When I finish his base, he said that just a noob like me try to use such a dirty move to defeat him and I was lucky because he didn't even finish building his army. So is it a good strategy or a dirty move and should I use that strategy in my game. I really don't want to make anyone upset when they play with me

[dKiWi]

Depends on how many starports u made, the more starports the more dirty. 3 starports is very very very dity.

[Makra]

Originally Posted by dKiWi

Depends on how many starports u made, the more starports the more dirty. 3 starports is very very very dity.

LMAO, classic!

People will call you a noob for plenty of things, mostly when you're winning, so just don't listen to them and do whatever makes you win ( I might not say that if you were a protoss or zerg player :P)

[ToRDeathsFang]

Using banshee every now and again is fine because its just an effective harrass if your opponents not prepared but dont make the mistake of overdoing it. If you use it in moderation perhaps against people you think you will have trouble with thats fine. But if your using it every game you will get accustomed to it and then people will really rage.

[Pandatae]

Actually I just practised it a few days and I have never used it with people who I think in the same level or worse than me. And some other guys did it with me before.

[Dogsi]

Next time, tell him to not be a noob and get detection.

[ProAnnn]

there are no dirty strats, only dirty players.

[Aean(:]

Really? A dirty strat? I have a tvt and tvp build that revolves around banshees. F that guy :P

[DRFT]

Definitely not dirty

[DRFT]

Originally Posted by DRFT

Definitely not dirty

DAMN U SKY!! U WILL PAY FOR THIS!!!
/Shakes fist violently in the air

[SkyBreaker]

A win is a win; ultimately it had everything to do with his failure to scout you and prepare for what was coming, so he has no-one other than himself to blame =)

[Mukade]

Nothing is true, everything is permitted.

[TAVoices]

Only if ur rubbing ur balls while u do it

[DRFT]

Originally Posted by Voices

Only if ur rubbing ur balls while u do it

Agreed. Case closed

[dKiWi]

Have u been 3-port bansheed before? Sure its permitted but its soooo cheesey it makes me want to rip my hair out

[UncleTom]

its very very dirty

[Hybrid]

Who cares what people think, its a game. I hate it when i don;t scout it as a zerg, but hey its all part of the game whether they are as good worse or better than you. If it is part of early harrass and its 1 or 2 banshees that is strategy. Let the other player deal with it.

[ToRDeathsFang]

The thing is it's also funny when people rage at cheese, unless your the one raging, which is usually me...But if you do it to a phsychopath he will track you down with a chainsaw and a machete, so cheese at your own risk

[noobinater]

The thing about starcraft (specifically 1v1) is that if you loose, there's only one person to blame (unless you're a tipity top level player).

You beat him, he lost. It's the point of the game. A win is always deserved.

[MKP]

1 is ok. mass banshees just stink. mass banshee wif cloak is really really stinky

[HDPhoenix]

3 port banshees with cloak is unbelievably strong because if you're not prepared for 6 banshees at once, you're essentially dead.

The thing is, to get 6 banshees with 3 ports with tech labs, requires a massive amount of gas = no offensive pressure other than pure marines or delayed 3 port banshees = plenty of time to scout it

As a zerg, you can throw up a hydra den really fast and pump out more hydras and queens to effectively stop 3 port banshees if you scout it early enough. Similarly, you can deflect it as the other races too. If the 'cheese' fails, they would be severely behind because banshees are not very good front-line units.

TL: DR

Short form - CHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESE!

[deL]

Yes it is.

[Stroggos]

heh, when i first started playing starcraft i had one practice partner, who was the only other person on battlenet terrible enough to be my opponent. Anyway i did slow-lurker drop every single game against him and won pretty much every time i did it, because they would never get scan on time. looking back on that game, it was definitely a dirty move for me back then. But, it at least gave them alot of time to figure out how to sculpt their build so that it could be safe versus mine as well as every other build they were up against.

To this day i cheese angry nerds on the ladder and it helps them to improve their build order and further the game's progress.

[rezyn8]

Any strategy is legitimate. People are just BM because they did not scout the tactic and have no counter to it.

[Crankenstein]

Originally Posted by rezyn8

Any strategy is legitimate. People are just BM because they did not scout the tactic and have no counter to it.

Have to agree... Sure it's powerful but if it's scouted they have time to prepare and 3 ports on one base doesn't give you much ability to recover from a failed attack.

[dKiWi]

I beat 3-port banshee with baneling bust!

MY CHEESE IS STRONGER THAN YOUR CHEESE

[AvPoker]

Light's 4 gate into dts is dirty.

[Stroggos]

Originally Posted by pokerface

Light's 4 gate into dts is dirty.

not really, cause if you lose to Dt's its usually because you tried to cut corners by not building a lair.

[Maro]

Well it sucks that their moms never told them how dirty this game gonna get, but essentially, there's no such thing as a 'dirty tactic', which can be likened to a low-blow per se, because if it's dirty and immoral and disgusting, why is it packaged into a game and sold on store shelves globally? Eh?

If a tactic wins you games, go ahead, refine and polish and keep using it, because you'll soon come across another build that counters your build, and the cycle goes on.

Don't worry, and remember, never change a winning formula.

[TAXanT]

I don't play as terran but dealing with banshee's is pretty easy, I haven't encountered a 3-star bashee harass yet but I never give the opponent the benefit of the doubt and as protoss pretty much always have cannons at my mineral line to defend my income. Also have an obs with my army to see them so I don't see how it's that dirty, blame the other player for not seeing it coming.

The build surely takes awhile to get running, and even if you do get it quick you won't have much ground forces so there isn't really an excuse for not detecting it.

Speaking of people raging, I pretty much never use DT's but I did the other day to his mineral line and the dude went nuts with abuse saying how lame of a player I was. However I got to admit nothing irritates me more than muta harass but now I scout as frequent as possible and when I see them I just get blink

Long story short: May be a hard thing to counter if you didn't see it coming but there are plenty of weaknesses in the build that can be exploited.

[StitcH]

That guy is silly. Calling you a noob is akin as calling SlayerSBoxeR & NaDa noobs. They have been using it like crazy in GSL. I've always believed that you do anything to win. =)

[dKiWi]

fyi i saw a replay where IdrA lost to 2-port banshee, so even tho its legitimate its still dirty in my eyes! ^^

Not as bad as 3-port banshee tho. And its hell difficult to scout 3-port banshee coz usually the cheeser will be extra vigilant in killing overlords that go in to have a peek. The only way i found out was after i busted his depot and did a ling run-by and saw 3 starports with tech labs did i noe that he was going 3-port banshee.

So you can say that cheese can be scouted, but probably you should provide advice on how to scout it with proper timings thrown in

[noobinater]

Originally Posted by dKiWi

fyi i saw a replay where IdrA lost to 2-port banshee, so even tho its legitimate its still dirty in my eyes! ^^

Anything that Idra looses to is dirty?

Originally Posted by dKiWi

So you can say that cheese can be scouted, but probably you should provide advice on how to scout it with proper timings thrown in

Personally, I find indirect scouting to be pretty damn useful. Generally if you see a bunker at the front wall of a terran's base, they're up to some sort of secret tech. The get the bunker to reinforce their wall as they don't have the normal army to do it (since that money is spent on tech).

You can then either prepare for what you expect to meet based on past experience/other scouting or try and kill them then and there

[cure]

A win is a win, chuck him on ignore

[ke_ivan]

I get six-pooled and four warp gate rushed. I rage for a bit, but then, a strategy is a strategy. Winning is winning. If they didn't scout it, tough. If they let you get six banshees, they deserve to lose.

3-port banshee? off one base? That's like friggin 6 x 150 minerals + 150 gas + cost of three starports (3 x 150 minerals and 100 gas) + (mining time + production time + travel time) about 10 mins into the game. You should be very suspicious if he doesn't attack in like seven minutes.

If you suspect that he is teching you should just pressure him. No way for him to hold his front. So basically in 4:30 mins you can produce your first banshee. if you straight up tech. If he takes an early expand, that banshee rush will be a lot more deadly. I tend to build a reactor barracks followed by barracks tech lab, and follow up with a strong stim-marine-banshee timing push. If you see a reactor, strong chances are that he's looking to spend his minerals. So there will probably some gas heavy units waiting in the back like a thor or banshee.

[StitcH]

Erm, noob question. But how do you afford to get 3 port banshee off 1 base?

[dKiWi]

Originally Posted by StitcH

Erm, noob question. But how do you afford to get 3 port banshee off 1 base?

You can't, that's why its cheesy! There's no way u can support 3 port off 1 base. The strategy here is to make 2-3 marines to keep overlords out of your base (heck the cheeser sent his initial marine all over the place looking for my overlords) and then u save up resources to make 6 banshees at once and go and all-in your opponent, usually with your initial 3 marines and a fuckload of SCVs.

[ke_ivan]

Yeah, 3-port 1 base banshee happens for only those with bad macro. You can barely support 2-port banshee on 1 base. As dKiWi said, marine production would just stop that from happening.

[ke_ivan]

lol, i don't think you can. Not a noob question btw. A lot of people, mostly bronze players, think they can support anything off one base.