[Turkle]

Hi there,

My name is Adam Gray, I have been managing teams in the e Sports industry for about 3 years now, I come from a FPS background and have managed organisations called TeamREFIANCE, and most recently Auxiliary which also had a Starcraft Division. I am doing a little bit of work with Qlimax Crew at the moment but that is just a bit of a helping out job when ever they need. The reason for this thread is that I have been involved with the Sc2 scene for about 6 months now and I see a big future in the game for Australian professionals and would like to give an opportunity for a player to go all the way. The offer that I am putting forward is to take a player under my belt and manage them. This involves getting sponsors for the player, motivate the player to train by offering certain intensives, helping the player get around the country (and maybe the world) for LAN tournaments.

There are more offers that I have which I will discuss in a more private environment with the keen players.

What I am looking for:
Grand master on Sea/Na or at least Masters on Korean.
I would really love to work with a Terran or Protoss player. But Zerg is fine.
Able to train at least 3 hours a day.
Streaming ability would be great for sponsorship exposure and getting your own name out there.

Basically my goal for the next year or two is to be overseas at a major championship. I think that If you join forces with me, we can achieve that.

If you would like to contact me to talk about further offers and if you have any questions, give me an add on Skype
mrturkle123

Quick Comments

	Pandan:	Should we just lock this? One every week from people who lie about their experience...
	x5.Arrival:	^lol
	nirvAnA:	poor form pandan

[syfMiley]

G'day mate, good to see a familiar face around here!

[Paroxysm]

I think proof of your experience would make this thread go a lot further.

[SLCN.NXZ]

Well this guy was the manager for aux in tier 2 initially. That's all I know, maybe look up the aux thread for mor details?

[UHF]

Let's not go down this road again - enough people have already been driven away in similar situations. He has posted his contact details, people are free to add the OP and ask for relevant information.

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SLCN.NXZ:

Well yeah, simply saying who you've worked with prior would give more feedback but then again can just ask on skype

[TAminimat]

Originally Posted by UHF

Let's not go down this road again - enough people have already been driven away in similar situations. He has posted his contact details, people are free to add the OP and ask for relevant information.

It's not like its hard for him to post his experience in the OP. Saves him from individually telling people over and over and will make the OP better.

[Turkle]

Originally Posted by Paroxysm

I think proof of your experience would make this thread go a lot further.

Oh sorry, I come from a FPS background and managed organisations called TeamREFIANCE, and most recently Auxiliary which also had a Starcraft Division. I am doing a little bit of work with Qlimax Crew at the moment but that is just a bit of a helping out job when ever they need.

[Stallion]

welcome Turkle always good to see someone new trying to add to the community all the best hope it works out

[MezjE]

Good bloke, very dedicated, the AUX boys performed well under his command and I no doubt he can achieve great things given the chance.

[FStitanium]

photos of ur certs/proof of experiences together with your username on a paper would do the job

[syfChadMann]

I'll be a bit more constructive with the concerns, Turkle.

1) detailed information about your experience is needed if your going to gain someone's trust. What have your involvements with the aforementioned teams involved?
2) How do you plan on gaining sponsorships or fund domestic and international travel? - do you have connections with sponsors? Do you have deep pockets yourself?
3) What kind of incentives can you offer (quantify them)?

Basically, support your claims.

[AxS.pinealan]

From your posts, it appears that you are talking about serious business here. And you know what people like when it comes to this kind of thing? Proofs. Especially on the internet. I hope you understand, its not that we think you are criminal of any sort, but I guess everyone wants to play safe. Unfortunately you aren't providing enough to let us feel secured.

[Turkle]

As I stated in my original post, interested players can contact me regarding more about what I can offer. You of all people should know that chadman. Sometimes information about these things shouldn't be made public.

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SLCN.Kez:

Any reason why? I can't imagine hiding any information, especially helpful stuff, would be good

[VoxMSI.Rogue]

No need to be snippy mate. The reality is that our community is 90% trust based and believe me we have been screwed over, lied to, messed around, trolled and the rest so if you think people wanting you to back up your claims of "managing teams in the eSports industry for about 3 years" or your ability to land sponsorship don't take it to heart, provide the information and there is no issue.

This is a forum. People are allowed to question and ask for proof or evidence of claims, we should always be questioning and making sure what is being said is actually correct. There are a hell of a lot of young people on this forum who have or will be taken for a ride by false promises because they are naive and think that because you promise them the world you will deliver. Don't attack other managers and those who work hard or make snide remarks because in the end it just makes you look like a dick.

Quick Comments

	Flamga:	Im sorry but this IS snippy :/
	UHF:	what Flamga said.
	syfChadMann:	it's not at all..
	FLuX:	Valid points made
	Pandan:	I don't see that as snippy at all?
	Malice:	No need to be snippy mate.
	ROOTPetraeus:	shut up malice
	Zepph:	I think people are confusing "snippy" with "honest".

[Flamga]

Welcome man!

I hope everything does go well for you and the community! Its good for players to have the opportunity like this and the more the merrier. Of course I do agree with the others that we have had our share of farces, however you have taken the feedback from others and updated appropriately.

I cant wait too see what players have to look forward to!

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	VoxMSI.Rogue:	Im sorry but really?
	RuineD:	No need to be snippy, mate.

[nirvAnA]

its good you edited in the OP

yea I agree with chadmann, with more clarification you will get better and more serious applicants, all the more reason for transparency

[syfChadMann]

Yeah thats fine Turkle.. I'm not sure what you mean by keeping things secret, I'd still like to see more info on your history. What did you do at Refiance etc?...

I understand you wanting to keep your sponsor contacts under wraps, but the fact that you're not confident revealing them suggests you're far from landing them. I don't want to burst your bubble, but the eSports scene isn't as easy as > Get Player > Get sponsors > ??? > Profit!...

[Apth]

Hi Turkle.

I am neither your target market nor your peer, so please take this as friendly, unbiased advice.

• Get yourself a website
• Put together a quick bio
• Describe what you're offering
• List all the organisations you've worked for

There is a big difference between offering someone your services, and someone approaching you. The former can make people naturally suspicious.

Unless you're careful with your tone, it may come off as a sales pitch, which implies that we may not want or need what you're offering - which of course isn't the case here.

Understand that this is a community of intelligent folks familiar with the interwebs, and all the associated scams and bullshit that periodically float around, and people are entitled to be suspicious.

It's your job to assure us what you're offering is genuine, not ours to take your offer on faith.

Keep doing your thing man.

Quick Comments

	syfChadMann:	This.
	Stallion:	well said
	Reere:	gg wp~
	Pandan:	Second last line is the perfect statement
	nirvAnA:	The legendary MVP returns!

[Ryan]

Welcome to sc2sea! Best of luck on your goals man.

[Pandan]

What exactly were your duties in qmx and auxiliary?
Some of my good friends of 10+ years are on both of those teams and they seem completely unsure of what you do/who you are?

Perhaps you could enlighten us as to your duties and experience? For example;

1. Is taking the full responsibilities of a team a new thing, or were you doing 100% of the management duties?

2. How have you worked with sponsors in the past to achieve results, do you have any examples of that?

3. Your goals are quite lofty (on the level of Nv, iM); have you mapped out a business plan to achieve them? You're likely going to need to acquire $4000+ for just a single player+manager combo to go anywhere of note, ON TOP of your internal Australia costs and overheads like uniforms, travel, accommodation, peripherals (or even salary) etc

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AuxActive:

you know people on Aux? and never heard of Turkle?

[Turkle]

Thanks for all of your feedback, Pretty much what I am looking to do here is start from the ground up, hence why I am only looking to work with one player. obviously my goals are set very high, maybe too high for the first year or two from when I begin. But I just want to show the community how keen I am to see it expand and I really want to be a part of it.

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Pandan:

It's an admirable goal, but maybe that should be your first post instead of the 'alternative' material you supplied

[UHF]

I personally don't think he needs to supply anything more than he has. I've just spent 5 minutes googling and found enough information to know that he isn't being shady. Besides, if I was a player I'd also be on the buzzer chatting with him for more info to figure out if the situation was right for me.

Surely we don't need to spoon-feed players - I mean, is there no self-initiative anymore!?

I also think it's a dangerous road to expect all the inner workings of new faces to be made public so that the greater community can judge whether their plan will work or not. I would hazard to guess that 99% of the time that person would be shot down for setting goals higher than the community perceives attainable at the time.

Quick Comments

	Stallion:	well said
	Pandan:	My statement was on the incessant need the new people have to lie/piggyback on others work to get 'credit'. Need to stop
	syfChadMann:	His post isn't enticing tho. Any Joe can make these claims and goals.
	nirvAnA:	lovely post UHF!

[Turkle]

I think you guys got the wrong understanding of big claims, My goal for the first few months is to recruit a player who is willing to train. For me to be able to bring sponsorship and other incentives in for the player, the player needs to have tournament wins under his belt. It is the same for anything eSports related
This is why I have said I am starting from the ground up and this will be a year + project.

[|Erasmus|]

Originally Posted by fray`ChadMann:

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His post isn't enticing tho. Any Joe can make these claims and goals.

And if you spent the 5 minutes a player should make before leaping on the offer you'd have a clear idea of whether those claims were legitimate...

[syfChadMann]

Originally Posted by |Erasmus|

And if you spent the 5 minutes a player should make before leaping on the offer you'd have a clear idea of whether those claims were legitimate...

But what is enticing a player to spend that 5 mins? or more. Gamers are notoriously lazy.

Also, I've dealt with numerous applications for organisations I've been involved with from many mysterious characters. I have little trust for such propositions. Sure, I may be jaded, but I just feel if he wants to represent as a professional he needs to do just that. There is enough hot air in eSports. Nevertheless, all that said - I'm not putting the guy down, just suggesting that if he wants the best talent he can get, which in result will help him secure the best sponsorship deals, he needs to be enticing.

Circle jerking anyone that wants to put effort into the scene aside, this is marketing 101. If he can't sell himself, how in the world do you expect him to sell any 'sponsored' player to establish sponsorship deals and achieve his lofty goals.

I'm sure this post isn't going to be popular, but note the people that will likely agree with me, are all experienced vets of the eSports scene. I'm no long term vet, but when someone like Pandan says the past is elusive, you listen.

Quick Comments

	Reere:	I'm on the Chadtrain~
	Stallion:	we are lazy

[TADivinity]

I think the standard sc2sea grilling is a good thing.

The ones that are serious and legitimate will survive.

The ones that are full of ideals and good intentions, but no real backbone or support will fall through.

It isn't rude, nor will it drive away anyone legit. In fact, anyone legit will be able to provide the answers with ease - and it is likely that they would be happy to do this as well.

[Malice]

http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=4370

Perfect example of a well written recruitment thread, whether it be single player or for a team.

[SLCN.CautioN]

Goodluck big man!

[RuineD]

posting in a fray circlejerk thread.

just kidding, but seriously as a player rather than a manager what you've stated in the OP isn't enough to give me incentive to follow it up. for example, i dont want to have to go digging around on the internet to work out if this is legit or not - if i question the legitimacy of it then i don't think it's worth following up if that makes sense.

gl hf with your endeavors;;

Quick Comments

	syfChadMann:	Feel free to edit out that first line.
	Malice:	^No need to be snippy mate.

[Fairyking]

GL with your goals man hope you achieve you wildest dreams.
The comments made me lol.

[PulSe]

Good luck with finding a player. It's good to see that previously unknown people are making a name for themselves in out little corner of the globe.

Quick Comments

	RuineD:	No need to be snippy, mate.
	Malice:	No need to be snippy, mate.
	syfChadMann:	enjoying this IXL Circle Jerk.
	Snx.FigJig:	^Feel free to edit out that line.

[gwartney]

good luck hope you go far