Moka removed from team at his request 17/01 DarkPhoenix left team 28/01 Buffalo left team 16/02 Zen removed from team due to other commitments 18/02
DuSt --> 27/02
When: Thursday nights, starting January 24th, plus two double rounds, extra game to be played on Mondays if no time on Thursdays.
Check rules below for info on rearranging game times/days
5pm SG, 7pm QLD, 8pm NSW/Vic, 10pm NZ
Where: bnet channel SEACLT5
What: GSTL All-Kill Bo7 Format
GSL Abyssal City • GSL Antiga Shipyard • WCS Ohana • GSL Cloud Kingdom • GSL Daybreak • GSL Entombed Valley • GSL Whirlwind
Starting maps for each round are listed above the brackets.
How: There will be no playoffs for Tier 5. The winner will be decided on points:
Major Win (4-0, 4-1, 4-2) - 3 Points
Minor Win (4-3) - 2 Points
Minor Loss (3-4) - 1 Point
Major Loss (2-4, 1-4, 0-4) - 0 Points
The 'Promotions' section below forms part of the rules, and must be read and adhered to.
Teams must play only players listed on their submitted rosters.
Teams must be ready to play their first game at the scheduled time. Not showing up or being later than 15 minutes will result in forfeit.
If a submitted starting player does not show up or is more than 15 mins late, the affected team will start 1-0 down. The specified starting map will still be used.
Team captains must submit the name of their starting player to the admins 24 hours before the match time. Teams failing to do this will start the match 1-0 down. The non-submitting team must still start with a bronze or silver player if they have one. Their opposing captain also has the right to change their starting player after seeing who the non-submitting team has chosen.
Where possible, starting players should be Bronze or Silver. If you are unable to start with a Bronze or Silver player, the opposing captain will be informed so that they may sufficiently prepare (opposing captains may adjust their starting player if needed).
Players must be active on ladder during the league, to ensure they are placed in the correct tier for their skill level. 'Active' will be defined as playing AT LEAST 8 legitimate ladder games per week.
Teams may add three players to their roster during the league (allowable roster changes).
Replacement of players who move up due to promotion is not counted towards your allowable roster changes (ie, two players reach diamond and move up to Tier 4, and you have 3 new bronze players you wish to add. Only one of those players will be counted as a roster change, the others will be replacements.)
Captains wishing to add players to their roster must submit the players' details to admins at least 24 hours before a match. New players will not be approved on the day of a match.
Team captains are advised to check the opposition's players against the submitted line-up to ensure they are the correct rank and race.
Players must play as the race submitted in the line-up, ie. their ladder race. Players may only race switch if they have laddered their new race long enough that the new race is listed as ladder race on their in-game profile.
Admins, casters and team managers (captains) are always allowed to observe games. No other spectators will be allowed. Starting a game with other spectators present is a cause for restarting the game.
BM will NOT be tolerated. Players will get one warning, and then be disqualified from the league. Captains, please remind your players of this.
Match days/times may be rearranged if need be. Captains must discuss this AT LEAST 24 hours in advance of the default match time, and the captain proposing the change must give at least two alternative days/times when they will be available to play the match.
Rearranged matches must be played within the dates given below in the Results section.
Admins must be informed of any matches that have been rearranged.
Teams who are not able to come to an agreement must contact admins. Matches that are not played may be awarded to one team or the other, or given a 'no result', depending on the circumstances. This is at the admins' discretion.
Admins, casters and team managers are always allowed to spectate games. They are the only ones allowed to spectate.
If a player disconnects before 2.00 game time, the game MUST be replayed.
If a player disconnects between 2.00 and 9.59 game time, the game can be replayed if the other player agrees.
If a player disconnects after 10.00 game time, the game will NOT be replayed and will be counted as a loss. Blame your internet connection, not the admins.
If a player disconnects, either during a game or between games, the managers must wait a minimum of 10 minutes for the player to reconnect. If the player's manager cannot contact them by another means, the game will then be forfeited, and the match will proceed as if the disconnected player had lost a game.
This Tier of the league is for players of Bronze, Silver and Gold skill levels.
Team captains must notify admins of any player promotions IMMEDIATELY. A player who's rank is incorrectly listed will not be allowed to play.
Players promoted to Platinum may continue to play in this tier.
Players promoted to Diamond must move up into a Tier 4 team.
At the approximate halfway point of the league, the admins will assess the teams, and if needed, will ask that Platinum players be moved up into Tier 4.
Teams who lose players due to promotions may add new players to their line-ups. These additions must be approved by admins with at least 24 hours notice before a match, and must be Bronze, Silver or Gold players. Teams will be given notice if players are to be moved up, so that they have time to find replacements.
Replacing players lost due to promotions will not count towards your allowable roster changes.
Once players start to be promoted to Platinum, only two Platinum players may be used per match. If your team composition does not allow this, please speak to an admin.
Platinum players may not be used as starting players.
My player is platinum, but he's really only at a gold skill level. Can I add him to my team?
No.
It's 30 mins before the match, I really need to add another player to the roster, will you approve them to play?
No. Please give admins at least 24 hours notice before a match if you wish to add a player.
My team has lost 2 players this week because of promotions. Can I add two new players? Will they count towards my allowable roster changes?
Yes, as long as you adhere to the rules and give the admins 24 hours notice before a match of your new additions. Replacing players lost because of promotions will not count towards your allowable roster changes.
The prize for Tier 5 will be a professionally designed clan logo, and the love and adoration of all.
DarthTesla v starter DQ (not active on ladder) DarthTesla v Jackybao DarthTesla v XOXOToT TGnastybutla v XOXOToT TGogswag v XOXOToT TGboahwar v XOXOToT
Stream: www.twitch.tv/drgoose Duxxie v mGGPow ETLWrath v mGGPow (forfeit due to DC) ETLWrath v mGGRohan ETLnoTTuh v mGGRohan pXalan v mGGRohan pXalan v mGGShadow pXalan v mGGEmperor
Stream: www.twitch.tv/thefridgemaster Fantasy v DuSt TAHAWKEYE v DuSt TAHAWKEYE v Hypnotoad Goste v Hypnotoad Goste v Seukil Goste v Forfeit (no 4th player for AxiS)
BYE: Tetilla Gaming
If rearranging, games must be played by Wed 20th Feb
SheTouchedMe v ToRmissAsuzy TGnastybutla v ToRmissAsuzy TGnastybutla v ToRDekid TGnastybutla v ToRArnor TGnastybutla v ToRDizz TGDarthTesla v ToRDizz TGboahwar v ToRDizz
BYE: QED
If rearranging, games must be played between Thurs 14th Feb and Sun 24th Feb
SheTouchedMe v TNNyx (no show) SheTouchedMe (forfeited) v TNRising TGnastybutla v TNRising Vannadis v TNRising TGboahwar v TNRising TGboahwar v TNSkywolve TGboahwar v TNZero
PizzerToT (Late) v ToRlardols PizzerToT* v ToRlardols PPPToT v ToRlardols PPPToT v ToRTinyTeddy PPPToT v ThePandarine TopTerran v ThePandarine TopTerran v no 4th player for ToR
*Pizzer's sc2 was updating and he was more than 15 mins late, forfeiting
the first game, but ToR agreed for him to play when he arrived.
mGGBraxeo v FSWolfbomb mGGBraxeo v FSiLLusion mGGBraxeo v Qlexx Philosopher v Qlexx mGGsneak v Qlexx mGGsneak (forfeit due to dc twice) v Quackpork mGGRohan v Quackpork
BYE: AxiS
If rearranging, games must be played by Wed 13th March
Week 1 Preview
It has been almost a year since the last SEACL started and most of the star players from the last Tier 5 season have moved on to higher divisions. A new generation of BSG players are here now though, ready to give their all for their clan over the next 7 weeks and find one true champion!
We have 9 clans taking part this year with some newcomers to SEACL joined by many old hands. Last season the final match never happened, with Terror Australis and the Perth Penguins set to fight it out. Both teams are absent this season from Tier 5, so a new champion will be crowned!
Tetilla Gaming vs Quod Erat Demonstrandum
In one corner we have Tetilla Gaming, a side we don't know a great deal about. They have only entered a Tier 5 side and haven’t taken part in the SEACL before. Their roster is only six players which means we will definitely get to know their players over the course of the SEACL. Their only Terran is Bronze, so it will be up to their Zerg and Protoss players to get them home.
Their opponents are QED, who entered two Tier 5 teams last SEACL, with both teams having successful campaigns with 4th and 6th. This time they are just one team and a team to watch out for with many deadly players. Goste was one of their BSG stars in the recent FSCT and will probably be a key player to stop if Tetilla want to win this.
Team AxiS vs Time of Rising
New clan AxiS will be looking to use the SEACL to announce their big arrival on the SEA Clan stage. Their team features mostly terrans and protoss, however their lone zerg Zen is gold and will probably be a big threat with teams focusing on beating the other two races. Their other two golds are both protoss and should provide a challenge to any team.
However their opponents aren't just any team, they are one of the biggest clans in all of SEA. Time of Rising have been making a splash lately with the pro team and other developments, but their BSG form hasn't been the greatest. They were knocked out in the semi-finals of the 4 team Esports SG BSG Cup and also lost to mGG in a close 4-5 clan war. ToRBobby was a strong performer for them in the FSCT and with everyone’s favourite panda, will form a two man Terran hit squad. The loss of Suipr to platinum might expose a weakness in their line-up though.
Team Night v Fusion Slugs
These two teams have a friendly rivalry, having had many clan wars and fighting it out in the FSCT final. This is Team Nights first SEACL and they come in with a real bare bones lineup of just five players. All of their BSG stars from the FSCT have now hit Platinum or above, so it’s a very new looking Team Night side. With no terrans and their top players being all protoss, it will be up to how their opponents play against Protoss.
The Fusion Slugs BSG side has likewise seen most of their BSG stars hit Platinum, after taking out the FSCT. The Fusion Slugs finished 7th last SEACL, in their debut as a clan. This time they don’t have the excuse of being the new kids and a much higher finish is expected. With golds of each race, they may be a difficult side to prepare for, however with only four players required depth means nothing if they don’t find the ace to finish a side off. The experienced trio of Quackpork, NeiloGD and Excel are probably the keys.
Trick or Treat v Meta Game Gods
Chinese clan Trick or Treat should provide some tough competition for all other clans in every tier, and Tier 5 is no exception. They feature the biggest squad of the all the sides and don’t have a single bronze in sight. Oddly though that huge roster includes just one silver zerg and thus opposition teams just have to deal with the other two races to take down this juggernaut of a clan. I think they may be one of the favourites to take this out.
They are probably playing one of the other major favourites for the Tier 5 title. mGG took 2nd in the recent Esports SG BSG Cup, falling to OS who aren’t present. They have had recent BSG wins in clan wars over ToR and have gone on a big BSG initiative. They have golds of each race and very experienced members guiding them. The big question is, can they cover the loss of DrGoose and LtNELLTRAIN who were both key factors in many of their recent BSG results.
BYE - Eternal eSports
Fear not ETL, you are not left out of this preview! Yet another side making their SEACL debut this season, but they have to wait just one more week to get started in Tier 5. And most clans are probably happy about this as ETL's line-up also looks strong. A good mix of golds will make them hard to prepare for and they get a free week to watch and see how the other teams go. The only thing going against ETL, is that in recent clan wars involving BSGs, they have only used one gold each time. Playing for your clan adds a lot of pressure, and nerves may well play a factor.
Well, I'm not having anything to do with organising the mGG teams, but probably a good general rule!
Don't forget, we'll need your starting players by Wednesday evening (8pm Syd time) at the latest, and I will be strict on making you start 1-0 down if you miss the deadline! I'll also remind all the captains on the skype chat, so no excuses
On behalf of the ToT management,I would like to sincerely appologise for SentryKing's bad manner in the last set of this week's tier 5 match against mGG. Also sorry to admin Asrathiel about the conflicts due to misunderstanding.
ToT has made a discipline decision to delete SentryKing off the tier 5 line-up for all future matches. He now no longer represents as a member of ToT and will not participate in any future games of ToT.
ToT is a team which focuses on presenting fair and entertaining games to starcraft 2 fans regardless of the level of players.Any behaviour such as Sentryking's is not going to be torlorated by ToT.
PS:
information for admins about the promotions/demotions for ToT players:
Week 1 Review
Wait you thought you were just going to get previews... Oh no, that's not how we do Tier 5! In the great tradition of Volition, I bring you the review of week 1! Our first four games were completed and many were very very close affairs...
As a note: Thankyou to all the streamers, which allowed me to actually watch the games and thus give you a decent review!
Tetilla Gaming vs Quod Erat Demonstrandum
This match started with a ZvZ where both players opened similarly with QEDKdogs doing some early ling pressure and droning behind it. However TGogswag built lings in response and kept building lings and overwhelmed the QED Zerg. Next up for QED was DGImpstar in a PvZ, with pretty standard early expo openings from both. DGImpstar transitioned into a sentry immortal attack where as TGogswag was getting ready for a 2base roach/baneling. However DGImpstar hit first and was able to kill the zerg army with some good forcefields.
This brought out TGDarthTesla for another PvZ. DGImpstar decided to go old school and do a 4 gate, TGDarthTesla sensed danger and started getting roaches off his 2 base, but didn’t have them up in time and QED Took a 2-1 lead. Finally a Terran took to the field with TGBoahwar playing and starting with a gasless expand. DGImpstar went for a HT/Storm rush into a delayed expansion. The first storm was spot on, but the second storm slightly misplaced and thus the attack was held off. After that point the Terran advantage was too strong and even some great storms later couldn't stop TGBoahwar from taking the games.
Another PvT followed, with QEDDeNile out for QED. TGBoahwar did another gasless expand, with QEDDeNile doing a 1 gate robo expand into colossi. TGBoahwar moved out around 10min with a bio ball with stim, +1 and 2 medivacs. QEDDeNile missed the forcefields, lost his colossi and couldn’t come back from that loss. QED's ace player was Goste which meant we had our first TvT. And we had gasless expands from both, but where Goste went to expand and a drop, TGBoahwar went for the kill and caught Goste by surprise. This gave TGBoahwar a huge lead which he never threw away and secured the 4-2 win for Tetilla Gaming.
Team AxiS vs Time of Rising
DuSt started for AxiS and Lardols for ToR, meaning a TvT on ohana. Dust opened two port banshee, with 6 banshees, where as Lardols went for a few rax, starport before expand. Lardols held off the early hellion push, but the mass banshees killed the natural. DuSt transitioned into battlecruisers and took the 2nd and 3rd base and the 3/3 marines from Lardols couldn’t hold off the hellion / air force. ToRDekid was next up for ToR, giving us a TvZ. Dekid did a quick 3 base, vs a 3 rax opening. Dekid saw it coming and got enough lings and spine crawlers up to hold off it and then transitioned into a muta ball, with ling and baneling, which was too much for DuSt.
DarkPhoenix was next up for AxiS, giving us a PvZ. DarkPhoenix did a 3 gate with proxy robo opening, fully walling off his main. By the time Dekid knew something odd was going on it was too late and didn’t have enough to hold off the two immortal push. ToRTinyTeddy was up next in a PvP on whirlwind. It was a very quick game, with a DT rush from DarkPhoenix managing to snipe the pylons powering the robo just before the observer got out.
ToRDizz was the ace for ToR. DarkPhoenix did a 4 gate, with 3 gateways in his own third to try and hide it. ToRDizz spotted them just in time and held off the 4 gate. DarkPhoenix expanded and went DTs behind it. ToRDizz decided to try and take out the 3 vulnerable gateways and looked like he might just do it but DarkPhoenix engaged and half of ToRDizz army was still attacking the gateways. That gave DarkPhoenix a big lead and the following gateway archon attack was too strong and gave AxiS the 4-1 win.
Team Night v Fusion Slugs
TNZero and FSDarkNemesis opened for their teams in this match, meaning a TvZ. TNZero did a 2 base ling/bling where as FSDarkNemesis did a 4 +1/combat shield. He didn’t move out too early which saved FSDarkNemesis from being caught on the map, but with no bunker the banelings broke down the front door and lings spewed into the main to take game one. FSQleXx was next for Fusion Slugs, in a PvZ. TNZero went for a 2 base roach/ling all in, with no workers at his natural. QleXx was going immortal sentry, so just was able to hold it with forcefields and a worker pull. TNZero was determined to keep the pressure on and didn’t drone up, but QleXx was too far ahead now and made it 1-1.
TNnyX was up next and we had a two base vs two base match. Another sentry immortal all in from QleXx was seen by TNnyX, but late zergling speed and being supplied blocked at a bad time, meant the protoss was able to setup forward pylons and not use the forcefields until QleXx got to the base and make it 2-1 for FS. TNrising was next and made it a PvP. A delayed 4 gate from QleXx was pushed back well by TNrising, who transitioned into colossi faster, with QleXx overcommitted on sentries and the engagement was very one sided and made it 2-2. FSNeiloGD was next up for FS and did a classic 3 rax, stim/concussive shield timing vs a 2 rax/robo expand. The push kills the natural of the protoss and FSNeiloGD expanded behind it. TNrising was able to get his natural back up, but drops and two pronged attacks gave the Terran more and more of a lead which gave FS the game.
TNSkywolve was the ace for Team Night, giving us another PvT. Both players did very quick expands with FSNeiloGD going double tank production. TNSkywolve took advantage of this to get a quicker third and tech'd to chargelot / storm and held off the marine tank push. FSNeiloGD was so far behind now and TNSkywolve made it 3-3, into an ace match! FSBreaker was the ace for the Fusion Slugs, giving us a PvP ace match. FSBreaker went for a 3 gate robo into an expand, where as TNSkywolve did similar but without the expand which meant an extra immortal. TNSkywolve caught some units on the map and that and the extra immortal gave him and Team Night the 4-3 win.
Trick or Treat v Meta Game Gods
We started with a TvT between PizzerToT and mGGPow. Both went for quick expands and then build up armies with no real engagements for the first 20 mins until both players near maxed and the bio/tank army of mGGpow managed to catch Pizzer's army without any tank support and give mGG game one. Blanka was next for ToT, for a PvT. And this was the craziest game of the round. Both early expanded, with Blanka going for a hidden 3rd expo. mGGPow went for two base push and both traded armies, with a slight advantage to the terran. Both threw down bases to the 3rds, giving the protoss a one base lead. mGGPow pushed again right before storm finished and smashed the army and killed the main and natural. He left the third alive though, so unknowingly left the protoss on 2 bases. mGGPow taking a 4th but not choosing to attack. Blanka took two more bases and evening the bases to 4-4 each. mGGPow killed two of the bases again, but yet again not finishing the other bases and Blanka remade more bases and army. lots of stim made the bio ball health low, which storms took advantage of whilst DT harass stopped the economy. This kept repeating and mGGPow decided he had enough and Blanka took the game.
mGGSneak was next up and we had two early expands in a PvP! Blanka decided to go for double proxy stargate with a mass void ray build up. mGGSneak tried a double immortal warp prism drop but the cannons setup as home by Blanka deflected that. The void rays then proved way too strong and gave ToT a 2-1 lead. Next up for mGG was Rezyn and another TvP. Blanka opened with a forge fast expand and rezyn responded with a hellion drop with an expand. The hellions did a lot of damage. It was eventually cleaned up and Blanka went for another hidden expand. Rezyn followed up with a bio attack however and didn’t let blanka get back into the game, taking out the main, then the natural, then ran around and find the ninja expand and levelled the series 2-2.
TopTerran was next for ToT and both went for 1/1/1 openings. Rezyn's scan saw enough to know early cloaked banshee and it didn’t do much damage. TopTerran went into a double expand vs just a single expand. The economic advantage started to really pay off, with an elevator play into the main doing enough damage for the subsequent pushes to win the game for ToT. This brought out the ace for mGG, mGGEmperor a random player, spawning as Protoss. A 3 stalker push into expand, was countered by a double expand from TopTerran, with one being in an unusual spot. mGGEmperor didn’t spot it and took a 3rd at the same time TopTerran took a 4th (at the 3rd base location). mGGEmperor took out the third but lost all the colossi. TopTerran came back and almost won the game but two colossi in the base held off the push. Even with the economic lead, the addition of archons to the protoss army was too strong for the terran in a very close game.
So down to another ace match, with SentryKing being the ace for ToT and deciding to 6 scv rush but mGGEmperor held it easily, to end a really crazy series and giving mGG a 4-3 win!
How do you feel about bringing your team the victory?
I really am so happy that I was able to win it for my team against QED, it definitely is exhilarating to play against players in a tournament environment rather than just on the ladder.
The team lost 2 games in a row against QED before you came out.
Whilst my teammates were playing those games I spent that time practicing in a custom game, making sure my build order was spot on. Id like to say that my confidence was overflowing when I went into the first game and I think it showed that in my performance.
Were you expecting to take on both DeNile and Goste?
Those two are the best players so I knew that if the match went on to the final couple of games that I would end up facing them. I had confidence in Ogswag hyung and Darthtesla hyung and their progress whilst we were practicing, I thought that I wouldn’t be playing at all. But my recent form has been so good lately that I didn't feel like I could lose.
So you're doing well in practices?
I have balanced out all three matches so I have a lot of confidence.
I take my practicing very seriously, both against my team mates and on the ladder, id like to think im making progress.
How do you feel about the next match against Fusion Slugs?
I think it will be a close match. Fusion Slugs are definitely a good team but I'm confident my teammates can take them out. TG is aiming for the top and I think we are on a good path.
Anything else you would like to say?
I'd like to thank GwaiLo hyung, Nastybutla hyung and Christofetus hyung for helping me practice for my games today. I'd also like to thank all my fans for cheering for me. I'll try my best to show good results.
Last edited by FvRGwaiLo; Thu, 31st-Jan-2013 at 8:36 PM.
ETL, AxiS and TN, you have 10 mins left to submit a starter for tomorrow!
Rules about unsubmitted starters have been adjusted slightly-
- Team captains must submit the name of their starting player to the admins 24 hours before the match time. Teams failing to do this will start the match 1-0 down. The non-submitting team must still start with a bronze or silver player if they have one. Their opposing captain also has the right to change their starting player after seeing who the non-submitting team has chosen.
Hie, TNRising did send you a msg ytd regarding the starting player, did you not receive it?? In the msg it stated that TNNyx is our starting player..the msg was sent thru ur personal inbox
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Clan : Team Night (TN)
Hie, TNRising did send you a msg ytd regarding the starting player, did you not receive it?? In the msg it stated that TNNyx is our starting player..the msg was sent thru ur personal inbox
As in, PM on the forums? Just checked and my inbox was full. If he can send me a screenshot with a time stamp that says when he sent it (ie from his 'Sent Items' folder), I can fix that up
OK, I now have a screenshot showing that TN attempted to send me their starter on Tues 29th, but because of Skype's silly system of only sending messages when both people are online, I never received it.
We are all good, and no one is starting down Huzzah!
I just wanted to clarify the points situation. We have decided to be consitent throughout all tiers and thus Tier 4 and Tier 5 will be following this points structure:
Major Win (4-0, 4-1, 4-2) - 3 Points
Minor Win (4-3) - 2 Points
Minor Loss (3-4) - 1 Points
Major Loss (2-4, 1-4, 0-4) - 0 Points
Teams level on points are then ordered by Major Round Wins, then Minor Round Wins and then overall score difference. I will be sure to get a table up showing it soon
Table
After round 1 we have the following table, with Team AxiS clear by one map score at the top. Six of the eight competiting teams picked up points in round 1 to open their account!
Wins
Wins
Loss
Loss
Map
Map
Map
Games
Major
Minor
Minor
Major
Points
Win
Loss
Difference
Penalty
1
Team AxiS
1
1
0
0
0
3
4
1
3
0
2
Tetilla Gaming
1
1
0
0
0
3
4
2
2
0
3
Team Night
1
0
1
0
0
2
4
3
1
0
4
mGG
1
0
1
0
0
2
4
3
1
0
5
Fusion Slugs
1
0
0
1
0
1
3
4
-1
0
6
ToT
1
0
0
1
0
1
3
4
-1
0
7
Eternal eSports
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
8
QED
1
0
0
0
1
0
2
4
-2
0
9
ToR
1
0
0
0
1
0
1
4
-3
0
Lets get into tonights matches!
Eternal eSports vs Quod Erat Demonstrandum
Finally ETL get their chance to kick off the Tier 5 campaign and having a week to watch the first round games should give them a slight edge over their opponents. FaDeAlan was recently promoted to Platinum and will probably be the ace and the main Zerg threat. The rest of their wins will need to come from their Terran and Protoss, with Silver Hunter leading the charge. And whilst Hunter has drawn a gold, it is PvP, so theres a good chance for a 1-0 start for ETL.
Last week QED suffered a major loss at the hands of new comers Tetilla Gaming. However they still picked up 2 wins from DGImpstar(QEDReaper) who looked confident in PvZ, which might be the key tonight. Indeed DGImpstar and QEDDeNile both hit platinum, so this Protoss duo will be looking to backup their Protoss starter CivFan to get QED their first points of the campaign, and preferably a win! The question is, how good is ETLs XvP?
Tetilla Gaming vs Fusion Slugs
As mentioned above, Tetilla managed to win last week in their debut and it was a pretty impressive win against a quality opponent. This week they have another good test and another comfortable win might well sure them up as title contenders. TGnastybutla was promoted to platinum, but it was TGboahwar who was the hero last week with a 3 kill. They have strong options in each race and are definitely looking good going into tonights game, starting with silver zerg TGDarthTesla.
The Fusion Slugs meanwhile came oh so close to taking their game with Team Night, in yet another typical nailbitter between themselves and Team Night. The positive thing for FS is that silver QleXx took a two kill, but they couldnt find the gold ace to close the match out. This is something they really need to address this week, but with key players still not back from holiday, they need someone new to shine. FSDescent will be starting, giving us an opening PvZ.
Team AxiS vs Meta Game Gods
Team AxiS scored the biggest win of the week in Round 1, with a 4-1 win over ToR, a very strong team. But this great news is countered by the fact that 3 kill hero DarkPhoenix, has now left the side. With DuSt being the only other playing last week, it means we are left with a lot of unknowns here. They have four other golds ready for action and have each race covered. Their starter will be DrWhiteboy, who will be the first Terran used by Team AxiS.
Their opponents showed why they are one of the favourites last week, taking down ToT in a very close and at times, just strange series! mGG will be very pleased with their start and know that they hit an in form team and they will need to play just as well, if not better to take the win. 3 mGG players won last week, which is another great confidence boost for them with random player mGGEmperor hitting platinum and will probably be the key ace player.
Team Night v Trick or Treat
Our final match sees Team Night back up after an ace match win over FS and its no surprise that two of their silvers have now hit gold, showing great play last week. TNSkywolve is the key for them, saving them from disaster last week, with 2 clutch wins to give them they 4-3 result. They still have a small roster, but its a strong player base and any team which underestimates them will be undone. Their sole silver, zerg TNNyx will be first out.
ToT meanwhile went down in their ace match in the crazy series. We saw their players show great persistence and determination, winning a game after losing all their tech and being 100 supply down. And also creative strategies, with proxy stargates into mass void rays. I expect nothing less this week and this should be a fun series to watch. ToT have two platinums now in PPPToT and YituoshiToT, but still only one lone zerg in silver. PizzerToT will lead them out for a silver level TvZ!
How do you feel about pulling off a starter all kill?
I didn't think that I would grab an all kill. I am glad that I was able achieve this. I am also relieved that I was able redeem myself for last week.
You used the same build every game.
I only prepared for game one. The rest of my games, I just thought about how they would go. However, after I won game one, I felt like I was going to win the rest of my games.
FSDescent disconnected in game one, and you agreed for a rematch.
In the first game my build didn't go as smoothly as planned, so I welcomed the chance for a re-game (laughs). Nothing had been decided yet and the game was even, so I thought it would be unfair to take the win.
Did you expect to grab an all kill today?
I just told myself that I would just try to win only game one for today. If I win game one then I can peacefully approach the rest of my games so I think that's why such a good result followed through.
This season's goals?
I want to catch them all.
It feels like you would want an all kill for the next match as well.
Of course (laughs). I'll be preparing my best and I'm confident I can win again.
Your next match will be against ToT.
I think that their ace player, PPPToT seems pretty good. All the rest seem pretty beatable (laughs).
Anything else you would like to say?
I think that the team is in a good place right now. We're going to be working even harder than we've been working now. Lastly, I want to thank Nastybutla hyung for helping me practice for my first match today. I can never beat him so I promise I'll beat him soon (laughs). Luckily I got two protoss players today so all the beatings I took in PvZ helped me take the all-kill.
Round 2 has come and gone, so its time for the report of last weeks game (expect preview for week 3 and 4 thursday!!)
Eternal eSports vs Quod Erat Demonstrandum
Game 1 saw the classic 4 gate vs 4 gate in PvP. Unfortuantely for ETLHunter his 4 gate was slightly slower then QEDCivFan and the stalkers were able to get in the base and do too much damage. ETLWrath was out next for a TvP. ETLWrath opened up with a 2 rax concussive push which was held off by QEDCivFan's 4 gate. Both expanded with the terran teching to medivac. QEDCivFan used the timing to do a gateway push and took out the expansion. The problem was ETLWrath was building to a strong bio push and his counter push caught QEDCivFan just short of having collossi and made it 1-1.
TAHawkeye was out next for QED and both he and ETLWrath did a 3 rax opening, with TAHawkeyes being slightly more economic, but a faster stim, as ETLWrath cut SCV production. This meant TAHawkeye was able to hold the push and then counter as ETLWrath tried to secure a natural and win the game. This brough out pXAlan for ETL and gave us a TvZ. pXAlan went hatch first into early baneling nest, and TAHawkeye went 2 rax factory with tanks. TAHawkeye was able to hold off the attempted baneling bust and went to put pressure of his own on.
pXAlan just had enough to hold off the marine tank push back and the game settled down as both got to 3 bases. The final engagement took place at the zerg base, with the roach/ling/muta/bane force to much for the marine tank forces and leveled it at 2-2 again. DGimpstar was next out for QED for a PvZ. pXAlan did a pool into hatch, where as DGimpstar did a 4 gate. The zerglings found the pylon and the probe and delayed the 4 gate, which gave pXAlan time to get the roaches up to hold off the push.
DGimpstar followed it up with an expo and an immortal sentry gateway push, but a nice flank from pXAlan held that off and forced the gg from DGimpstar. Goste was the ace for QED, giving us another ZvT. Both expanded early and pXAlan went into another 2 base baneling push. Goste didnt have tanks up or enough forces and bunkers to hold it off and lings streamed into the base and gave ETL the 4-2 win.
I caught up with pXAlan after the game and he had this to say.
FSBenAD: pXAlan, a very nice 3 kill to win the game for your team, how do you feel pXAlan: I feel good and proud. still a bit twitchy from the nerves
FSBenAD:: how many other clan events have you done? pXAlan: I have played one game of clan war for my former clan FaDe
FSBenAD: That was a sad turn of events, matchup wise, how do you feel at the moment? pXAlan: I feel really good seeing that this was my first SEACL
FSBenAD: so you’re confident vs all races? pXAlan: no my ZvP is very weak and i am trying my best to make it better.
FSBenAD: is there a particular strategy you have fun doing or unit you love to use? pXAlan: well like every zerg mutas are the fun to use. but I like to bane bust with terrans. too bad I didn’t get much play with mutas today
FSBenAD: definitely nothing better the a good baneling hit. Well best of luck in the upcoming games and thank you for your time pXAlan: thank you too. appreciate you interviewing me
Tetilla Gaming vs Fusion Slugs
TGDarthTesla started for Tetilla, facing FSDescent in a PvZ. TGDarthTesla went for a gas before pool into expand, while FSDescent did a pretty standard FFE. It was a pretty passive game, with TGDarthTesla going for a roach/hydra army and FSDescent chosing to go gateway/robo, with immortals and collossi. Unfortunately 2 mistakes cost FSDescent, no thermal lance and then moving his army into the engagement, with many units going down before they started firing and gave TGDarthTesla the win.
FSWolfbomb was next up for a ZvZ and both did a pool into hatch opening. FSWolfbomb tried to put some ling pressure on but he lost the engagement and didnt build up behind it and TGDarthTesla sent his own lings and did some massive damage. From there the game was pretty much done and once the roach/hydra army was complete, TGDarthTesla took the game. FSBreaker was next up for another PvZ and the first 10 mins was almost identical. Early expands, into Roach/Hydra for Zerg. FSBreaker though went for a 2 base gateway all in, full of sentries, but it was no match for the roach/hydra army and made it 3-0 to Tetilla.
FSNeiloGD was the ace for Fusion Slugs and gave us a TvZ. An early expand from the zerg was countered by a 3 rax from the terran. TGDarthTesla saw it coming and had a baneling nest up and enough lists to defend it. Both players macro'd up and eventually a bio, medivac tank push came from FSNeiloGD, which TGDarthTesla was able to hold off pretty easily with Ling/Bling/Muta. This let the zerg take a 4th and the advantage was too much as TGDarthTesla wore down FSNeiloGD and take the all kill and win for Tetilla. We had a quick chat with TGDarthTesla.
FSBenAD: So you just all-killed the fusion slugs, how do you feel? TGDarthTesla: Much better than before the games started lol FSBenAD: So you were nervous going into to today even though you played last week? TGDarthTesla: Yeah defs, especially since I chocked last week. I felt a lot better after a couple of games lol FSBenAD: The 4 gate yes, well you definitely put on a good show tonight. You played each matchup, what do you feel your best is TGDarthTesla: Um defs ZvT, I fear the 4gate immensely FSBenAD: you have a love of hydras too, it’s refreshing to see TGDarthTesla: Haha yeah Hydra's are my love, I train a lot with Nastybutla for ZvP and only hydras seem to get my close to beating him FSBenAD: Thankyou for your time TGDarthTesla: Thank you. Look forward to playing you guys again
Team AxiS vs Meta Game Gods
Our starting game saw a PvT with mGGPhilosopher vs AxSWhiteboy. AxSWhiteboy opened with a 3 rax pressure, but was held off well by the 3 gate robo response from mGGPhilosopher. AxSWhiteboy followed this up with an expansion, where as the protoss decided for a one base all in with immortals and hit before the bunkers could come up. This brought in AxSDuSt for another PvT. The game had a very similar flow, 3 rax pressure from the terran (this time AxSDuSt) and 3 gate robo defence. The difference in this game is that after the failed push, AxSDuSt went for a heavy maraduer army which both quickly destroyed the push from mGGPhilosopher, but then went accross the map and cleaned up the Protoss base.
Next up for mGG was Ghost, which meant yes another PvT! And another 3 rax push held off by a robo and a few gates. Both players then expanded and had small engagements whilst both trying to get up their tech path, the terran to medivacs and vikings, the protoss to collossi. A huge engagement went down at the protoss base, with a big drop in the main and a small force attacking the natural, but some nice forcefields kept a collossi alive and helped the protoss get a good supply lead. We then saw carriers and a mothership in a PvT, which the Terran scouted and went mass Thor.. The vortex and big supply lead was too much though which gave Ghost the game.
With AxiS one player short, they threw out their ace pinealan for a PvP. Pinealan did a 3 gate expand where as Ghost was very defensive and built a lot of sentries. This meant he was safe from the 3 gate pressure, but was economically behind. Pinealan looked in control but made two crucial mistakes. He didnt react fast enough to the DTs killing his tech and at the same time didnt kill the rocks up to the natural so got his units all bunched and despite having a good army lead, lost his whole army in the attack and coudlnt recover. Due to no 4th player, this meant mGG won 4-1! I talked to Ghost after his crazy wins.
FSBenAD: so you won 2 games today and sealed the win for mGG, how do you feel Ghost: hahaha good but im shaking. lol the nerves i got. i knew i was soooo far behind that last game i was sure i was gonna lose. but im happy i won. FSBenAD: It’s a common thing, playing in the SEACL is a big pressure test. You mention the last game, what was your plan? Ghost: well normally im dead by the 6-9 min mark by 4gates. im verrrrry weak at early games. so the plan was to stay alive long nuff to get into the late game where i normally play very well. as my bro's says "A move, good unit". :P coli and sentries using ff backed by stalkers with a little dt harras that’s my late game PvP games. FSBenAD: it is a very strong build in PvP, no matter what level. Besides PvP how do you feel about the other matchups? Ghost: im good against terran because normally i storm then i use coli to burn them up backed with stalkers. but zerg….. lets just say i have a deep passion against them FSBenAD: I heard you've only been playing a few weeks.. What has been the biggest help in you getting good so quick? Ghost: Alpha, with out a doubt. I tried a long time ago against computers. Died every game. Every game. But with alpha behind me coaching me for 3 days straight then on and off. FSBenAD: Has he taught you the nexus first in PvP :P Ghost: lol not quite. Only godly ppl can pull that off >.< FSBenAD: Haha thankyou for your time Ghost and good luck in the next weeks Ghost: thanks
Team Night v Trick or Treat
Unfortunately there was no stream and ToT didnt give me a player to interview.. So all we know is that ToT won 4-1, with a walkover in the first game as ToT's started did not show and then TopTerran all killed, showing he will be a threat!
Table
After two rounds we see Tetilla Gaming as the only team with maximum points following their whitewash victory over the Fusion Slugs. mGG is the only other team with 2 wins however with 3 points for a major win and 0 for a major loss, a lot can change quickly, especially with a double round coming up!
We enter the first double round this week so the preview (and review) will be slightly different! Instead of going match by match in this preview, lets instead look at each team and the two (one in some cases) games they have! So lets go through in league table order!
Tetilla Gaming
Top of the pack so far with two wins over Fusion Slugs and QED, both who had slow starts. However both of their next opponents have picked up wins, so it may be a much sterner test of their team strength, with two wins really pushing their case for league favourites. So far they have had it pretty much their own way, with a player going on a roll and finishing off a team almost all on their own. So far 4 wins have gone to TGDarthTesla and 3 to TGBoahwar.
mGG
mGG have a bye for round 3, but then have the big game against ToR. The two teams have met quite a bit recently, with two close through wins to mGG in best of 9 BSG clan wars. This and combined with mGGs start to the season means that mGG look good to make it 3 wins from 3. mGG have already had 5 players pick up wins, so its overall team strength which is helping them so far and what you need to take the title.
ToT
ToT sit in third spot, despite the loss in round one to mGG, after a strong victory over Team Night. But all kill format is really deceiving at times, whilst a 4-1 victory does look strong, they started with one of their strongest players, TopTerran, who got the all kill. In fact 5 of the 7 wins are from TopTerran and ToT will be mindful that other players need to step up, otherwise their up and down season might continue.
ETL
After having the bye in Round 1, ETL started the season very well in Round 2, taking down QED. Now that they have played a game other teams has some idea of their players and it will make it a little harder for ETL to surprise. Both of their games will be very interesting, with ToR and FS their opponents. Both sides have yet to take a win but both would expect to start winning soon and ETL may very well hit both sides when they are desperate to win. pXAlan got the 3 kill last time out and he will be looking to continue his ace form.
Team AxiS
This clan has had the ups and downs so far, with a great win in week 1 over ToR followed by a big loss vs mGG. Indeed even their lineup has been a bit up and down, losing DarkPhoenix and then their leader Ante stepping down. They will need to find some form, from their gold players, with only DuSt having wins in their current lineup. They have two tought games against Team Night and Tetilla Gaming and we will get a better idea of their season after them.
Team Night
The smallest squad on paper makes them easier to prepare for, but they showed in round 1 vs Fusion Slugs that it doesnt matter if you dont have the ace to take them down. In Round 2 they couldnt stop TopTerran and find themselves in the lower half of the table. They have a bye in Round 4, but a great opportunity to move up the table in Round 3 vs Team AxiS. The key is can TNScourge and TNrising back up their ace TNSkywolve.
Fusion Slugs
Two games, two losses is not the start they would of wanted but they knew going in that the start was going to be tough with many key members being away. Still last round hurt.A lot. Its not very often we lose to an all kill. They have two rounds now to redeem themselves and put their season back on track wth games vs QED and ETL. QED have started with a gold player, so their intent is clear. FS needs to get their ace players firing if they want any chance of doing well.
ToR
Near bottom isn't what ToR would be expecting, but on the same token they have only played one game so far. This week they have ETL and mGG, two strong opponents which ToR will need to play at their best to win. Their loss to AxiS in round 1 was mainly due to the inability to stop DarkPhoenix and maybe that shows a potential weakness vs Protoss. Either way expect ToR to not be near the bottom for long.
QED
Last place and two losses wont sit well with QED. Indeed you can see that they are keen to stop this trend, starting with a gold this week against Fusion Slugs. Their other game is against ToT and both will be tough games but are winnable. On paper their team is a strong one and they just need one player to fire on a day and they will most likely all kill any side. FS and ToT should both be very wary.
Where possible, starting players should be Bronze or Silver. If you are unable to start with a Bronze or Silver player, the opposing captain will be informed so that they may sufficiently prepare (opposing captains may adjust their starting player if needed).
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Originally Posted by Asrathiel
Players must play as the race submitted in the line-up, ie. their ladder race. Players may only race switch if they have laddered their new race long enough that the new race is listed as ladder race on their in-game profile.
It's come to my attention that some teams may be having trouble organising players for Round 4 (default day, Monday 11th) due to Chinese New Year celebrations in some countries.
I'm extending the deadline for Round 4 until Sunday Feb 17th. It does not matter if you end up having to play your Round 5 game before your Round 4 game, as long as Round 4 is complete before the 17th (as Round 6's default day is Monday 18th).
Round 4- to be played between 7th-17th Feb
Round 5- to be played between 14th-20th Feb
Round 6- to be played between 14th-24th Feb
I understand that the double rounds make things harder, however we decided to go with this scheduling to complete the league before HoTS release.
ToT v Tetilla is our first game, with a walkover win to Tetilla to start with and the first actual being a ZvT between ToT’s Jackybao and Tetilla’s DarthTesla. Both went for fast expands and then DarthTesla went for a 2 base ling, bane, roach attack, which caught Jackbao by surprise and killed most of the army and workers. Jackbao tried to stay in and get the win, but was so far behind and couldn’t hold off the continued attacks. XOXOToT was next in for another TvZ. XOXOToT engineering bay blocked the natural and then put bunkers down to keep him on base. DarthTesla went for a nydus play to try and catch XOXOToT by surprise, but a scan saw it coming and the terran held it off to win.
Next up for Tetilla was TGnastybutla to give us a PvT. XOXOToT went for a one base bio/banshee push against the 3 gate robo expand of TGnastybutla. The forcefields were just not good enough to stop the terran army and a quick game went to ToT. Next up was TGogswag for another TvZ. XOXOToT went for proxy 2 rax into bunker rush, which cancelled the natural of TGogswag however the zerg managed to stop the push getting into the main and broke the contain. XOXOToT went into three port banshee, but whether by luck or good game read, TGogswag got spores up in time to limit the damage. The problem was the Terran had been macroing the whole time and the small advantages gained in those two attacks, meant when the bio tank force hit, the zerg was completely outnumbered and made it 3-2 for ToT.
The ace for Tetilla was TGboahwar for a TvT on Ohana. TGboahwar went for an early expand, whilst XOXOToT went for the hellion drop which killed 15 workers. A follow up marine tank drop by XOXOToT saw more and more workers killed but was cleaned up once again. Supplies started to even out by now but XOXOToT crucially took a 3rd. This and small engagement victories in multipe bio / tank /medivac stand offs, saw XOXOToT able to break all the way to TGboahwar’s natural and give ToT the 4-2 win.
Fusion Slugs v QED
The match between two of the bottom teams was supposed to be a great fight back from two experienced clans. Unfortunately it was a one sided affair with QEDGoste managing an all kill vs the Fusion Slugs. It was a hugely disappointing performance for FS, however on the other hand QEDGoste was a strong opening player and with a lack of golds available for the Fusion Slugs it was always going to be a hard match.
FSQleXx was first up and did a 1 gate expand against a 1/1/1. QleXx decided to try and get colossi up but the attack hit before hand and pure gateway could not hold off the strong push from Goste. Next up was FSExcel, giving us a ZvT. FSExcel went for a two base baneling bust, but he didn’t push with the banelings as they morphed, which was just before siege mode was finished. The banelings were dealt with more and the cloaked banshees did heaps of damage to FSExcel.
Goste transition into pure mech and the Muta, Ling, Baneling army wasn’t the right army to take it on and so much damage was done to the zerg army and economy. The last hope was broodlords, but goste hit before they got up to take the game. Next up was FSBreaker for a TvP and did a delayed 4 gate with robo support. Gotse got the bunkers up in time and the continued attacks from FSBreaker couldn’t kill the natural and didn’t expand behind it. The counter attack was just too strong, making it 3-0 to QED.
Finally out for FS was another silver, FSDescent for another PvT. Both early expanded and a great drop from Goste managed to snipe the colossi tech to stop the colossi production of FSDescent. Another drop did the same thing and that all meant when the big terran army hit, the lack of AOE there was nothing the protoss could do despite a superior upgrade lead giving the all kill to an impressive Goste.
ETL v ToR
Our first match was an all bronze affair between Duxxie for ETL and Lardols for ToR. An SCV managed to get a 2 probe kill and escape and both players stayed on one base. Lardols held off an early gateway pressure and sent a cloaked banshee in which did a bit of damage. This made Duxxie not attack with his gateway immortal army and both expanded. Eventually both players got near max and the engagement went down. Both armies died, but the deal was much better for the cheaper Terran army with some units surviving. The counter attack gave the win to Lardols.
ETLnoTTuh was next and gave us a PvT, going for a 4 gate blink obs. Lardols went for a 3 rax pressure, but was spotted early enough by the protoss so a sentry was used to help hold it off and take out all the forces of the terran. The follow up blink into the base attack finished Lardols off. ToRgenja was next (now ToRmissAsuzy) for another PvT. Both players early expanded and got to thirds without much pressure. ToRmissAsuzy dropped the main and got the main nexus, but lost the two medivacs and all the units. That advantage though meant the follow up attack was too strong with the lack of splash and gave ToRmissAsuzy the win.
Abbadonz was next out for ETL keeping the PvT series going! Both players again early expanded and the early gateway pressure was held off well by ToRmissAsuzy. Abbadonz likewise held off the early bio medivac push. ToRmissAsuzy took the third but Abbadonz did not and the economic advantage paid off with the huge terran army being too strong.
The ace player for ETL was ETLWrath giving us a TvT! ETLWrath did a 3 rax pressure against the hellion drop setup by ToRmissAsuzy. The 3 rax push was just intercepted and held off and the follow up drop did a bit of damage. Both players expanded. Follow up hellion/bio drops by ToRmissAsuzy did even more damage and eventually meant ToRmissAsuzy’s army was too strong and started destroying the natural of ETLWrath. The only choice for the ETL player was a mass doom drop and base race, but the turrets were up and killed all the medivacs, meaning the cleanup was easy and gave ToR the 4-2 win.
Team Night v AxiS
The first game of TN v AxiS was a walkover to Team Night. Unfortunately the cast for the series didn’t get going until further on during the night, with Zerg TNZero able to take down Terran Hypnotoad. Buffalo was sent out next for AxiS for a PvZ and we only caught the end of the game. The 3 base gateway robo push from Buffalo was held off nicely by TNZero, as it occurred on open ground and there weren’t enough forcefields to keep the lings and roaches off the army. The follow up ling attack was too strong and gave TN a 3-0 lead.
Pinealan was the ace for Axis for another PvZ. We had an usual game as the protoss out expanded the zerg early on and got a sizeable economy and worker lead as the zerg played very passive. The gateway robo push with immortals and a colossi was way too strong for the roach/ling army and gave AxiS their first win of the series and make it 3-1. TN decided to send one of their strongest players next in TNSkywolve for a PvP.
Both players went for safe 3 gate robos. The key was the observer snipe, with TNSkywolve getting it and meaning he could see up the ramp, removing the defending advantage. He then sniped one of the immortals and gave him an advantage as Pinealan got another observer. However Pinealan manages to get TNSkywolve’s observer and hold it off but was now slightly behind. Small engagements almost evened up the game as both players took expansions. However colossi were out for TNSkywolve and not for Pinealan and that was the difference and gave Team Night the 4-1 win.
Some really close games in there (Wrath vs NelioGD!) and congratulations to Fusion Slugs for some well played games and for snapping their ace match losing streak.
How do you feel about snapping back after your loss last round?
I didn't care about how many losses I had but my performances overall were just not very good. My teammates were very concerned about me.
Why were you performing so poorly last week?
I guess I really felt the pressure. I tried to do the same macro style again but I got lucky in the first game and after I lost the second game I just told myself to keep calm for this week. I think I'll be doing more variety from here on out so that I can be a bit more flexible with my builds.
It seems like the entire TG team had a bad day
There were some circumstances before the game that made it difficult to focus. So it's true that we tilted badly. Still, playing in the SEACL makes us feel motivated and we'll be back on top in no time.
So you've gained confidence with today's victory?
I feel like my insides have finally cleared up. I even thought to myself, "why couldn't I pull of something so simple much earlier?" In a sense, I'm embarrassed. But I don't think it's too late. I think I can make up for my lousy performances as long as I start doing well from here on out.
Today you did a roach baneling all in twice. Why were you able to successfully pull off the all in?
I dropped everything and focused on the game. I think both Dr.Whiteboy hyung and HypnoToad hyung played a little too idly. Dr.Whiteboys hyung's build order was supposed to block mine but he didn't macro behind it so I won.
Do you plan on continuously using the Roach/Bane all in?
I plan on using it often. Players going against me should watch out (laughs).
You have a lot of confidence
Even if my builds get blocked during practice, I have this confidence that I can always pull it off in tournaments.
What did the coach tell you after your loss last week?
He told us to always just focus on our play instead of worrying about what the other team is up to or if they're trying to cheat. I did that this week and it really paid off.
Anything else you would like to say?
I want to thank team Axis firstly for the games and being good mannered. The team was really down last week after our loss, so I'm glad i was able to pick things up. thanks again to our coach and my teammates for cheering me on. I'll be sure to practice as hard as I can to get into gold league and keep my record.
With two games this week this will be a slightly shorter review and preview, so forgive me for that! Lets look back on the 3 games played on Monday (ToR v mGG is happening sunday)
Fusion Slugs v ETL
Finally the Fusion Slugs got the first win of the SEACL and it was a very close affair vs ETL. Our first match was a PvP with FSQleXx vs ETLHunter. Hunter went for a defensive 4 gate and QleXx a 4 gate robo into expand. Hunter went to put pressure on but was held back. Another two follow up attack was held off and gave FSQleXx a huge lead, which he macro'd his way to the win. We had another PvP with ETLnoTTuh. QleXx went for fast blink and noTTuh for DTs Drops and with no robo, the DTs put QleXx way behind. noTTuh got the collosi up first and went for another push which put QleXx on the ropes and eventually got the win.
FSNeiloGD was next in for a PvT. ETLnoTTuh went for a quick expand into collossi, however NeiloGD 3 rax stim/concussive push hit just before the collossi was up and gave the protoss no chance. ETLWrath was next out for a TvT. Again FSNeiloGD tried some early bio pressure but the bunker and tank made him feel better of it. Wrath went heavy tank against the mostly bio army of NeiloGD and both macro'd up. It was a back and forth game with big tank lines for Wrath backed with vikings, and the marine/medivac/banshee army of NeiloGD trying to kill the tanks. Eventually it came down to a big tank/viking/BC army vs mostly bio/viking, with the superior army count and huge dps of marines winning the game for NeloGD.
pXAlan was the ace for ETL and showed why in a quick game, doing a very well executed two base baneling bust, which FSNeiloGD wasnt prepared to take the win. Next for FS was quackpork, with both players doing PvZ openings (FFE vs fast 3 base). pXAlan decided to go for a roach muta ball and use them in two pronged attacks, the roaches getting the army to try and save the third, while mutas destroyed the mineral lines. It was all to much for quackpork and made it 3-3, ace match! The ace for FS was xKwangLuu, giving us a TvZ. The first 15 minutes saw hellion harass, into many cloaked banshee attacks, into hellion drops. The outcome was a huge lead for the terran which he never let up and gave FS the first win!
ToT v QED
The start of this game wasn't in the VOD, but the end was, where XOXOToT went 2 port banshee after holding of some ling bane aggression, which must of cost the zerg QEDShockwave a lot. The marine banshee push was just held off but the marine tank banshee medi follow up was too strong. waveLength was next up for a TvT. XOXOToT went 1/1/1 with hellion drop and banshee and waveLengths fast tank marine build was caught out, with the hellions killing most marines, for the banshee to pick the worker line. To waveLenghts credit he fought back and got supplies at least close to even, but defending your base all the time eventually meant he ran out of firepower to stop XOXOToT.
The next game was short with XOXOToT doing a proxy starport and factory for a fast thor drop at the same time Hawkeye went for a marine tank bust. The thor destroyed all the workers forcing Hawkeye to tap out. This brought out QED's ace already in DGImpstar. XOXOTot tried a quick bio pressure with a bunker in the natural but was held off by a 3 gate robo. Then the protoss army backed with immortals went over and destroyed the terran natural and main to give QED their first win.
The next game was similarly fast, DGImpstar doing a 4 gate and getting in as the early bio force moved out from Blanka. Blanka tried to come back to fix the mistake, but it was too late and the DGImpstar took the game. Jackybao was next out and did a 2/1/1 in the PvT. DGImpstar who went for 4 gate robo expand, took damage from the initial medivac drop of marines and couldn’t hold off the strong marine/tank/medivac push which followed to give Jackybao and ToT the win.
AxiS v Tetilla Gaming
TGDarthTesla is quickly making a name for himself with another all kill, this time vs AxiS. His first opponent was DrWhiteboy in a ZvT. TGDarthTesla did a 2 base roach/bane attack, against the 1 base terran and did quite a lot of damage. After this point the terran traded cost effectively but could never get a 2nd base up and the ling/bane/muta was too strong. Next we have protoss AxSDuSt and a very passive game saw TGDarthTesla get a huge macro lead and his max roach/hydra army was just too much for the mostly stalker protoss army.
Next for AxiS was DarkPhoenix who tried a proxy robo 4 gate. DarthTelsa sensed something was up as there was no expo from the protoss and had lots of lings. DarkPhoenix missed the force fields and got surrounded and ended a quick game. Terran Hypnotoad was the ace for AxiS and DarthTelsa did the same as game 1, with a roach/bane all in. The terran army was standing outside the natural with no protection and it all died fast leaving nothing for Hypnotoad to do but gg.
Table
So with 3 out of 4 games down for Round 4 our table now is:
Wins
Wins
Loss
Loss
Map
Map
Map
Games
Points
Major
Minor
Minor
Major
Win
Loss
Difference
Penalty
1
ToT
4
10
3
0
1
0
15
9
6
0
2
Tetilla Gaming
4
9
3
0
0
1
14
6
8
0
3
mGG
2
5
1
1
0
0
8
4
4
0
4
Team Night
3
5
1
1
0
1
9
8
1
0
5
Eternal eSports
3
4
1
0
1
1
8
10
-2
0
6
ToR
2
3
1
0
0
1
5
5
0
0
7
QED
4
3
1
0
0
3
10
13
-3
0
8
Team AxiS
4
3
1
0
0
3
6
13
-7
0
9
Fusion Slugs
4
3
0
1
1
2
8
15
-7
0
Round 5 Preview
So lets really quickly see the games we have tonight!
ETL v mGG
Duxxie v mGGPow is the opener, with mGG having a BYE and delayed game we don’t have much more info on them. By friday next week, mGG would of played four more games, so this is a huge week for them to cement their title hopes. ETL got a major loss and minor loss last week and know that there is a huge pack of teams right behind them and they need to turn it around. pXAlan is their key and someone has to back him up.
Fusion Slugs v ToT
ToT didn’t submit a starter, giving FS a 1 game head start. Whilst FS finally got a win, it was a very close affair. They will be looking to build on their start, but ToT is a very strong team and frankly favourites to take this out. Their terrans of TopTerranToT, XOXOToT and JackbaoToT have been their stars to date.
ToR v Team Night
ToR broke their duck last week also but have their catchup game with mGG sunday so we also haven't seen too much of them. They do start 1-0 up though vs Team Night who have had a pretty good run so far. This should be a great game!
QED v AxiS
Fantasy v DuSt is our opening match and this should be another close one. AxiS need darkphoenix to hit form again, while QED will be hoping Gotse can play and get another few kills on his belt. There is so much to play for with both teams on 1-3 records!
I am adding a new rule for clarification purposes, due to an incident where a player disconnected between games, and did not feel the managers waited long enough to allow him to reconnect.
Quote:
If a player disconnects, either during a game or between games, the managers must wait a minimum of 10 minutes for the player to reconnect. If the player's manager cannot contact them by another means, the game will then be forfeited, and the match will proceed as if the disconnected player had lost the previous game.
proceed as if the disconnected player had lost the previous game.
Previous game?.. as in the game they just won - then while waiting inbetween DC'd?.. thats a bit extreme. Just continue on as if a loss - I think thats what you mean.. but the wording could be confusing :S
Yup, dc'ing team forfeits the game that would have been played if the player had not dc'd. Non-dc'ing team gets a win. Dc'ing team picks new player and new map. Clear as mud?
Round 5 Review
Another double round week, so a shorter review/preview!
First lets get to the catchup game between mGG and ToR from Round 4 mGG v ToR
After a walkover game 1, we had Z v Z at first between mGGRohan and ToRDekid. Both players went pool into hatch, into banelings and speedlings, roachs and lair. Both players got third and traded armies, with mGGRohan gong roach / hydra / infestor vs roach infestor broolord. Eventually it came down to a final fight with mGGRohan using his spines and infested terrans to kill the army and win the game. Next up was ToRmissAsuzy for a TvZ. missAsuzy used hellion/banshee harass to put the zerg on the backfoot. Rohan countered with mass roaches and hurt the economy a lot but the huge mech army of missAsuzy held it off and then proceeded to destroy the zerg base.
Tribe was next out for mGG. Both players earlier expanded however missAsuzy didn't see the 2 base baneling bust coming and only one bunker wasn't enough to hold it off and the lings streamed in to make it 3-1 to mGG. The ace player for ToR was Arnor. Arnor played defensively after seeing the last game and did a 3 rax expo, where as the zerg went for a strong 2 base push with roach/ling/baneling (with drops). Tribe took a 3rd behind it and the attack was well held off by Arnor, despite the banelings making great contact. However before the terran could rebuild all the bunkers a big roach follow up came and won the series for mGG and Tribe.
And now onto Round 5!
ETL v mGG
Duxxie v mGGPow up first for a TvT! Both players early expanded, with Duxxie going for banshees and mGGPow more bio heavy. The banshees did a lot of damage and kept mGGPow in his base. However Duxxie didn’t expand for a long time and didn’t spend his bank and thus when he finally pushed he was held off by Pow. Pow quickly remaxed and went and killed of Duxxie, who just didn’t have the production to spend his bank in time. We lost Pow after the game, giving ETL the win to go 1-1.
Next up was mGGRohan v ETLWrath, a ZvT. Both players played macro and mGGRohan held off the early hellion pressure well. Small engagements went everywhere and eventually we were left with 200/200 armies. The Roach/Broodlord army was too strong for the terran mech army, with no viking support. ETLnoTTuh was next and gave us a PvZ. mGGRohan went for the 2 base roach rush, which caught out ETLnoTTuh who had no cyber core yet and made it 3-1 to mGG. Ace pXalan was out next for ETL, giving us another ZvZ. Both players got to 3rd bases with small engagements, with alan going mutas to kill the 3rd. Rohan went for a counter with his roaches and got the third but couldn’t kill the mutas. The counter attack from alan was too strong to give ETL the game.
Next for mGG was mGGShadow for another PvZ. This was really a case of the Zerg keeping the protoss from getting a third or putting pressure on and the roach/muta army eventually broken through to level the series at 3-3. The ace for mGG was mGGEmperor for a Z v Random! Emperor got terran and build a proxy rax and tried to bunker rush. Alan held it off well enough and kept his natural and eventually Emperor got his own expand. Alan responded with a ling/bane attack, which hit as Emperors forced were on the map, killing most of his workers. Another ling/bane attack won the game for Alan and ETL, great series.
Fusion Slugs v ToT
ToT didn't submit a starter, didn’t turn up and didn't tell anyone that they weren’t going to.. So FS got the free win.
ToR v Team Night
ToR started up 1-0 and our first actual game was ToRLardols v TNNyx. TNNyx went for a 2 base ling/bling attack which caught the bio force of Lardols out on the map and then broke into the main to end a quick game 1. ToRDizz was next out for a PvZ. TNNyx wanted to do early pressure but ToRDizz suspected it and put cannons down. This put Nyx way behind in workers despite the 3 base, with late queens as well. The lack of larva and workers hurt as a collossi timing attack with warp prism harass in the main was too strong and made it 2-1 to ToR.
TNZero was next out and another PvZ. The typical FFE v 3 base opening soon saw ToRDizz go for a immortal/sentry push backed by a warp prism. There were just too many forcefields and then too many stalker reinforcements and Zero had to tap out. The ace for TN was Rising giving us a PvP. Dizz put many pylons in the main of rising and couldn’t kill them all before the zealots warped in and took a really fast game and gave the win to ToR.
QED v AxiS
Fantasy v DuSt was first for a PvT. DuSt did a 3 rax push against a robo gateway expand. Whilst the protoss had the sentries ready, Fantasy missed the forcefields and DuSt took the win. TAHawkeye was next for QED and a TvT. Hawkeye expanded quickly and the armies both had a standup with bio tank. They expanded together twice and kept the econ lead to Hawkeye. Both went to battlecruisers, however the superior tank count was the key, with all the marines for DuSt going down and left the battlecruisers defenceless.
Hypnotoad was next for AxiS another TvT. Hypnotoad went a fast expand and a great scan saw the 3 rax pressure coming. The extra bunkers held it off and he followed it was another expand, to be up 3 base to 2. Hawkeye went for two more bases and then went to kill the third, but it was a planetary, and lost most the army. Hypnotoad went for the counter and won the game. Goste was next for QED, another TvT. Both did an almost mirror build, but medivacs earlier for Goste vs stim for Hypnotoad. The drop from gotse did heaps of damage as he took a third behind it. The big economic lead eventually meant the bio tank medivac army was too strong and gave Goste the win.
Seukil was next for another TvT! Seukil went mech, where as Goste took advantage of that and went for a faster third and bio play. He managed to also snipe the third of Seukil and the economic advantage for Goste meant he soon had a big army to attack. Seukil decided a base race was a better case, as both bases where wiped. The problem was that bank for Goste meant he could setup bases and Seukil couldn't and eventually gave Goste the win. AxiS didnt have a 4th so QED got the overall win!
Table
After 5 Rounds our table is now
Wins
Wins
Loss
Loss
Map
Map
Map
Games
Points
Major
Minor
Minor
Major
Win
Loss
Difference
Penalty
1
ToT
5
10
3
0
1
1
15
13
2
0
2
Tetilla Gaming
4
9
3
0
0
1
14
6
8
0
3
mGG
4
9
2
1
1
0
15
9
6
0
4
ToR
4
6
2
0
0
2
10
10
0
0
5
QED
5
6
2
0
0
3
14
15
-1
0
6
Eternal eSports
4
6
1
1
1
1
12
13
-1
0
7
Fusion Slugs
5
6
1
1
1
2
12
15
-3
0
8
Team Night
4
5
1
1
0
2
10
12
-2
0
9
Team AxiS
5
3
1
0
0
4
8
17
-9
0
Round 6 Preview
So lets really quickly see the games we have tonight!
ToT v ETL
ToT still sitting top, but haven't had the bye yet unlike 2nd to 4th who are hot on their heels. They are probably favourites going in to tonights matches and their terrans are strong. But can they stop pXAlan, who is ETL's saving grace so far. ETL are locked in a battle in the bottom half and the win is just as important for them.
Team Night v mGG
Teams at opposite ends of the table and again both teams will be very keen for the win. Team Night really need their golds to start stepping it up if they are to take the series, where as mGG's has had many of their golds like Tribe, Ghost and Rohan take multiple wins. mGG are a hard team to prepare for and Team Night will hope they have their ace Skywolve.
AxiS v Fusion Slugs
Both teams have had a real struggle this season and this game is a good chance for both to gain points. AxiS have struggled to get all 4 players out and hopefully they can tonight. As for Fusion Slugs, they also need their golds to be on top form. It should be a close series.
Tetilla v ToR
2nd v 4th, should be a great series between one of the oldest clans in SEA and one of the newest. Tetilla have been taking a lot of scalps this season and thats mostly thanks to DarthTesla, with two all kills. ToR should however know whats coming by now and not treat him lightly, if they can stop DarthTelsa getting a few kills, they have a good chance of taking the series.
Because our manager was AFK and we didnt know he didnt submit a starter, hence why we found out and did it 3 hours later ourselves. Does this mean we're still gnna get docked 1-0?? :S
Doesnt help that our silver starters are never online/want to play, we really have no choice..
we started with a silver up until this week and none of our golds got to play
Because our manager was AFK and we didnt know he didnt submit a starter, hence why we found out and did it 3 hours later ourselves. Does this mean we're still gnna get docked 1-0?? :S
Yes sir you will still start 1-0 down.
There are no exceptions to this rule, it is there to ensure all teams have the same notice of opponent and to give the admins a time to put the starters up without having to check all throughout the week.
If we take away the punishment, there is no point having player submissions and then how do you handle the starters on the night.....
Yeah I know you guys have been doing really well in terms of playing starters. Wasn't an attack on you directly. More just frustration that this ended up happening last season as well.
Round 6 featured two walkovers with ToT and TN not showing up and no request/communication from either team to admins or their opponents. Thus mGG and ETL got the free win. Lets review the two games which did take place.
Fusion Slugs v AxiS
After the FS Starter was a no show, our first match was DuSt and xKwanGLuU, a TvT. It was a very fast game, with the proxy 2 rax marauder scouted too late by LuU who was teching up in a 1/1/1 and cutting marines. Too many. DuSt quickly broke the wall and won. Next up for FS was QleXx for a PvT. There was another 2 rax proxy from DuSt. QleXx wasn’t playing as greedy and just held it off despite losing the sentry, as DuSt brought all his SCVS for the all in. That made it 2-1.
Next for AxiS was Hypnotoad for another PvT. Both players early expanded. QleXx went for a third, but Hypnotoad decided to attack instead and expand behind. The attack killed the third and after getting his third up went for the kill. Qlexx though held it off with his gateway/robo mix and went for a counter and got the third, but lost his army. Both player rebuild thirds and the key moment happened as they hit 200 again, where hypnotoad’s army was slightly split, and the protoss army killed 1/3 of it for free, then pushed against the main force which was quickly overcome to make it 2-2.
BigWill was next out for AxiS and it was another short game with the 2 rax push taking QleXx by surprise who had tried to expand and he didn’t have enough gateways and sentries to hold it off. The ace for FS was NeiloGD for a TvT. This game was full of back and forth action, with early banshees by NeiloGD countered by drops from BigWill. Both players continued to harass and have small engagements as the balance of power swung back and forth. The key drop from BigWill killed a lot of the fourth, ran into the main and kill the engineering bay before 3/3 finished and with the army distracted, moved his main army in and won the game.
Tetilla v ToR
First match was SheTouchedMe v ToRmissAsuzy for a PvT. missAsuzy early expanded while SheTouchedMe played very passively. This gave a huge econ and thus army lead to the terran, who used it to build a big force and crush the protoss. TGnastybutla was next up, who did a proxy robo gateway all in. Whilst scouting it, missAsuzy didn’t have enough defence and a quick game two went to Tetilla.
ToRDekid was next up for ToR for a PvZ. A gateway expand from the protoss was met with a quick 3 bases from zerg. It was a mostly passive game, with one ling run by from Zerg not able to stop the protoss getting to max army. Dekid though got to broodlords, but nastybutla had gone colossi backed up with mostly stalker, which was able to take the battles and the win. ToRArnor was next and nastybutla went for a 4 gate. Whilst Arnor had gone 3 rax, there was no bunker and the protoss force was able to break the supply depots and win a quick game.
ToRDizz was the ace for ToR and saw a PvP. It was another fast game, with Dizz going 4 gate vs Blink. Dizz got a probe in and got pylons in the base and made it a very one sided ending. TGDarthTesla was next for a PvZ. Dizz went for an immortal sentry attack, which killed the third, but DarthTesla had enough hydras and spines to save the rest of his base. We then saw muta/hydra from DarthTesla in an attempt to stop the 3 base protoss. But as he attacked, DTs were warped into his main destroying his econ and tech. The follow up push was too strong forcing us into an ace match. The ace for AxiS was TGboahwar for a TvP. Both players early expanded but a strong bio push just before colossi came out, killed the natural of Dizz. Instead of expanding again, boahwar went for the kill and had just too much for Dizz, to take the game and the series for TG.
Round 7 Review
Again we had a walkover with ToT not showing up again… Giving AxiS the win. I also know Team Night got an all kill, 4-0 result over ETL, with TNZero taking it all out. There was no stream so I don’t know what went down, but some great play from the TN zerg. The other two games featured all kills as well, so lets look at them.
mGG v Tetilla
The Tetilla starter didn’t show up so we started 1-0 to mGG. The first game was Philosopher v TGboahwar (PvT) which was played before the stream and saw boahwar take it out. The first streamed game was boahwar v Nihc for mGG. Early banshees from Nihc put him ahead, but both players macro’d and got to max armies. There was a huge standoff just outside boahwars banks, with bio/tank/medivac/viking. However Nihc slowly lost ground as boahwar started doing small drops in his base and broke the contain to get a lead. Nihc went into Battlecruisers but in the end the problem was econ, and boahwar took a massive game.
mGGAbyssal was next for mGG with both players fast expanding. mGGAbyssal went for a third, but boahwar was going for a 2 base timing and the bio medi force was just too much for the protoss. This sent out the ace for mGG mGGsneak. Boahwar gasless expanded while sneak did 3 gate robo expand. This gave a big advantage to the terran and like earlier, he pushed on two bases and the protoss didn’t have enough, giving boahwar the all kill and 4-1 win to Tetilla.
ToR v QED
Again the first game was off stream, so all I know is that Kdogs was able to take down Dekid in a ZvZ. ToR sent out ToRmissAsuzy out next. The TvZ started with a ling/baneling push which was just held off. The terran went to 3 base but mutas forced the 3rd away. missAsuzy was going mech though and the thors soon came out to get the 3 base economy going again. The zerg got back to 3 bases but ling/bling/muta wasn’t the right mix vs the mech based army and missAsuzy took the win.
CivFan was next for QED. A fast expand from terran was countered by a 4 gate attack from CivFan. missAsuzy expected early pressure and got the bunkers up in time. CivFan tried to get back into it with an expand, but did a drop and push at the same time and destroyed the main nexus and lots of tech. Eventually missAsuzy pushed again to win the game. QEDDeNile was next up for a PvT. Both players went for aggressive expands, a 1/1/1 for terran vs gateway robo. As the protoss went in to kil, the banshees went in and did massive damage. The bio/tank attack at missAsuzy base was held off well and the follow up attack hit just before colossi and gave missAsuzy the win.
The ace for QED was Wavelength for a TvT. Both players went 1/1/1, with Marine/Tank/Banshee for missAsuzy and Marine/Tank/Mediva for Wavelength. Both players realised there were in a stalemate and both expanded. Wavelength tried to counter but good tank positioning held it off well and gave an army lead. missAsuzy contained Wavelength after this and got a third down. Both players had great drop defence and couldn’t do any damage. But Wavelength had to get the third down, and had to come down the ramp to try and take it, but the viking lead was to missAsuzy, giving the tanks better vision and won the game with an all kill for ToR.
Why no table?
This will come with the preview on Thursday!
Hey everyone, we are following most of the other tiers in terms of penalty points...
For a walkover (no players showing up the penalty is)
1st offence: 0.5 league points deducted
Next offence: 2 league point deducted
Continuous offences: Team is suspended for review (2 league points per offence)
These will be added to the table that I will be showing with the preview for tomorrows round.
Table
With just two rounds to go we have Tetilla Gaming sitting 2 points clear from mGG. However with 6 points up for grabs any of the top 4 could still grab first spot (with Team AxiS unable to as they have a bye in the final week).
Wins
Wins
Loss
Loss
Map
Map
Map
Games
Points
Major
Minor
Minor
Major
Win
Loss
Difference
Penalty
1
Tetilla Gaming
6
14
4
1
0
1
22
10
12
0
2
mGG
6
12
3
1
1
1
20
13
7
0
3
ToR
6
10
3
0
1
2
17
15
2
0
4
Eternal eSports
6
9
2
1
1
2
16
17
-1
0
5
Team AxiS
7
9
3
0
0
4
16
19
-3
0
6
Team Night
6
7.5
2
1
0
3
14
16
-2
0.5
7
QED
6
6
2
0
0
4
15
19
-4
0
8
Fusion Slugs
6
6
1
1
1
3
14
19
-5
0
9
ToT
7
5.5
3
0
1
3
15
21
-6
4.5
AxiS v ETL
4th vs 5th and it should be a great showdown between the sides. This will be AxiS last game in SEACL so they will be looking to end it with a bang and potentially jump ETL in the standings. It will come down to PvZ, with Protoss aces Pinealan and DarkPhoenix for AxiS vs pXAlan for ETL.
Tetilla Gaming v Team Night
By league standings you think this should be an easy win to Tetilla, but Team Night on their day are all killing quality teams, like ETL last week. Which Team Night turns up is the big question. I think this should be a quality series. A major win for Tetilla might wrap up the title.
QED v mGG
mGG need a major win to keep the pressure on Tetilla and playing the 7th team in the league they will be feeling confident. But this team is QED, and they have a strong side. I still think mGG has the edge, but it wouldn't suprise me to see QED sneak a win.
ToR v Fusion Slugs
Another one sided result based on league position, but ToR and FS have a lot of BSG history and the slugs have done much better in recent weeks. Still it will be a very hard game for FS and ToR still have a slim hope of winning the whole thing!
I would like to apologise to everyone involved with the ToR vs FS game for my behavior last night. It was wrong and bad mannered and I should not have done it, no excuse.
I would like to apologise to everyone involved with the ToR vs FS game for my behavior last night. It was wrong and bad mannered and I should not have done it, no excuse.
Again, I'm sorry.
FSQuackpork
dont worry mate , gg anyway
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