[AsylumofSouls]

SC2SEA.com BSG Open #62
Admins: AsylumofSouls (Suipr.712), Asrathiel & ToRozliam



The weekly SC2SEA BSG is a 64 player, single elimination style tournament.

Date:
Saturday August 25th 2012.

Time:
6pm ; 8pm Sydney ; 10pm

Location:
SEA Server, Channel sc2seaBSG

Report Results and Questions to:
Asrathiel.926, ToRozliam.515 or Suipr.712 by b.net PM

Casting this week will be provided by ToRVenom
here
Previous week VODs -> here

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(Scroll down on new page and click "Join")
Link to Hall of Fame

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Prizes
The winner of the BSG each week is awarded with one hour of professional coaching from a coach in this thread (link) and...
"Unearthed Talent" Achievement

Awarded to every sc2sea BSG winner!
Plus top 4 each week get invited to the four-weekly BSG Cup!
Sponsored by Clan Carnage and Razer
Next held on Sunday August 26th

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Please read the rules if this is your first time entering

+ [ Rules, Regulations and Tournament Eligibility] +

Tournament Eligibility:
You must be legitimately in the Bronze, Silver or Gold league (1v1 - SEA license) and you must be active on ladder.
Everyone will be checked for typical smurf activity designed to keep them in a lower league.
Anyone found to be smurfing will be added to the BSG Hall of Shame so everyone can be aware of their shameful acts.

Battle.net chat channel: "sc2seaBSG"

Rules

• You must contact your opponent on Battle.net preferably by being in chat channel "sc2seaBSG" to play your match
• You have ~15 minutes to start your Round 1 match; anybody that is not contactable after 10 minutes will be disqualified. This 10 minute timeout rule applies throughout the tournament.
• You must play your main ladder race throughout tournament.
• The only race switch allowed is to and you may not switch again.
• Observers: Tournament admins or official streamers are always allowed and the only ones to observe your game
• Problems/Questions: When in doubt about anything, contact an admin
• Reporting Results: After the match has been played, you must report the result by pm to an admin
• Disconnects: If a player disconnects, the game must be replayed. If a player disconnects for a second time, his opponent will be awarded a free-win. A win may also be awarded if the player that disconnected was significantly behind at the time of disconnection. Contact an admin if you would like your game/replay reviewed.
• Pauses: You must notify your opponent in game if you wish to pause. This pause should not exceed 5 minutes. Excessive pausing in game may lead to disqualification.
• Bad Manner will not be tolerated. Anyone caught BMing will be warned. Further offenses will lead to disqualification. Any racist, hateful or excessively derogatory language may lead to removal without warning. We are a friendly group and we'd like to see it stay that way.
• Replays: Should be saved at least until the following tournament. Anyone asked by admins to provide a replay who cannot do so will be disqualified.
• Anyone suspected of smurfing (playing another person's account, manipulating ladder to be in a lower league) will be thoroughly investigated and if found guilty, prizes will be stripped and they will be reported to Blizzard and added to the Hall of Shame.

Format
1. Round of 64 bo1 on ESV Tanzanite
2. Round of 32 bo1 on ESV Bloody Ridge AE
3. Round of 16 bo1 on ESV Gauntlet AE
4. Quarter Finals bo3 on ESV Discord
5. Semi Finals bo3 on ESV Muspelheim
6. Grand Final bo5 on ESV Ohana

For finals rounds that are best of 3 or 5, loser of previous game may pick any map from the following ESV map pool listing

+ [Map Pool] +

Map Pool

ESV Bloody Ridge AE
ESV Khaydaria
ESV Odd Eye AE
ESV Tanzanite
ESV Muspelheim
ESV Frigid Pass
ESV Gauntlet AE
ESV Ohana
ESV Discord

Any questions find an admin in game at: Suipr.712, Asrathiel.926 or ToRozliam.515 or send me a pm here on sc2sea.

GLHF

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As you can see we're testing out ESV maps this week. Get some practice in on them and see which ones you like. There is space to switch some for others since we're not using the whole pool so feedback is welcome

[DUCKVILLELOL]

Oh wow new maps, awesome!

[BullyDoZeR]

I was practicing on the some of the esv maps and I found that ESV Avalon always has a neutral nexus at the top left position, pushing your base out. I screen capped to show what I mean.

http://imgur.com/a/zp6jr

I'm not sure if there are any problems with the other maps, I've only played a few. I'm in the process of checking out the others.

[AsylumofSouls]

Originally Posted by BullyDoZeR

I was practicing on the some of the esv maps and I found that ESV Avalon always has a neutral nexus at the top left position, pushing your base out. I screen capped to show what I mean.

http://imgur.com/a/zp6jr

I'm not sure if there are any problems with the other maps, I've only played a few. I'm in the process of checking out the others.

Ah wow. That's pretty bad.
Thanks for the heads up
Switched with Bloody Ridge AE. Didn't get time to test every one myself unfortunately.
Let me know if anyone finds more problems. Cheers guys

Quick Comments

BullyDoZeR:

No worries man, I'll post here when I've had a look at the rest.

[FSDele]

Duckville... your SC2SEA account says you are Diamond?

did you take a big break and forget how to play or something? just not sure what the story is...

I wish i could play, but unfortunately i'll be in Sydney this weekend.

Quick Comments

	AsylumofSouls:	He also has a silver/gold level terran account
	DUCKVILLELOL:	lol "did you take a big break and forget hot to play"

[DUCKVILLELOL]

Originally Posted by FSDele

Duckville... your SC2SEA account says you are Diamond?

did you take a big break and forget how to play or something? just not sure what the story is...

I wish i could play, but unfortunately i'll be in Sydney this weekend.

I have a second account (which should now be listed in my profile I think?) playing terran only, because I'm thinking about switching to T once HOTS comes out.

Don't worry, Diamond P doesn't translate to Diamond T I'm barely gold level.

[Nailz]

Originally Posted by DUCKVILLELOL

I have a second account (which should now be listed in my profile I think?) playing terran only, because I'm thinking about switching to T once HOTS comes out.

Don't worry, Diamond P doesn't translate to Diamond T I'm barely gold level.

XD we'll take your word on that one millions wouldn't.
no ducking im not having a go at you. you are a + to the community.
gl this weekend.

[breadfan]

Originally Posted by Nailz

XD we'll take your word on that one millions wouldn't.
no ducking im not having a go at you. you are a + to the community.
gl this weekend.

Just to put some peoples' minds at ease... Duckville isn't just claiming "hey, my offrace is gold standard". He actually has a legitimate second account that he can demonstrate he actively ladders with and is in gold. Suipr's judgments are never made in haste!

Quick Comments

FsDronesInJail:

Suipr is GOD

[Nailz]

hey guy's, Bloody Ridge AE.. has like creep on 3rd bit imba for zvt zvp maybe what you guy's think?

Quick Comments

	AsylumofSouls:	adds balance? I like it :P
	ToRSmotPokingFish:	of course you do, your Zerg... :p i think the creep block is silly, should just be like depo block :)

[DUCKVILLELOL]

Originally Posted by breadfan

Just to put some peoples' minds at ease... Duckville isn't just claiming "hey, my offrace is gold standard". He actually has a legitimate second account that he can demonstrate he actively ladders with and is in gold. Suipr's judgments are never made in haste!

Exactly, it's not my intent to smurf or anything like that; if I was of higher skill with T, obviously my account would be at a higher rank, and you wouldn't see me compete. Last week Haz decided not to play against me because "no point playing against a Diamond" but I'm not diamond with Terran... I'm diamond with Protoss and trust me it doesn't translate well, at least for me :P

And as Breadfan has pointed out, I'm not pretending that I'm "only gold level" just for kicks - I'm actively playing my T account these days (people have been complaining on my stream that I'm only playing T these days) and rarely go on my P account because... I'm considering switching with HOTS

Meanwhile:

hey guy's, Bloody Ridge AE.. has like creep on 3rd bit imba for zvt zvp maybe what you guy's think?

The creep is not imba at all, it's there to make sure P isn't ridiculous on that map: if the creep wasn't there how on earth would you stop a 4gate with a pylon up on the ridge?

[AxS.Xenovia]

is this thing a weekly thing?

Quick Comments

AsylumofSouls:

yes. Every Saturday

[FSDele]

Yes it is.

Suipr and Asrathiel look after it every week, and we love them!

Quick Comments

	AsylumofSouls:	<3 :D
	mGGNemesis:	indeed we do :) <3

[ToRPandarine]

Yoyoyo! Next week before BSG Weekly #63, if you're or in SEA and want a warm up tournament, be sure to join ThePandarine Bronze Silver Open!

[Inumbris]

Aww yeah my first SC2SEA tournament, can't wait! Never played any of the ESV maps before, time for some practice. Good luck all

[AxS.Xenovia]

sooo you have to waste like 2mins killing a nexsus with 7 workers? lol

[ToRSmotPokingFish]

oh god why ESV maps? cant we use normal people maps Suipr? T_T

anyway much love to you and asra for getting this shit sorted, i guess i try win this week, want to get into that BSG cup

Quick Comments

AsylumofSouls:

You were the one complaining about the map pool before...?

[FsDronesInJail]

new maps bring more AWESOMENESS! HOOAHHHH

[ToRVenom]

OH GOD! this will be painfull... now i have to learn new maps... Hopefully i can still take the win !!! *Shifty eyes*

[Asrathiel]

Still have no internet at home... hopefully by next BSG it'll be sorted!! Miss you all!

Quick Comments

AsylumofSouls:

I was looking forward to playing this weekend too :(

[FS.Kezz]

Looks great! I won't forget to register this week like I did last week :P. Good luck to everyone!

[ToRSmotPokingFish]

Originally Posted by AsylumOfSouls

You were the one complaining about the map pool before...?

yea, about the outdated maps! anyway, i guess it will be a challenge... and i never back down from them! heres hoping my wrist gets better so i can win

[mGGNemesis]

I was wondering whether we could like use half of the esv(or just 2-3 of them) and half the ladder pool maps so that players who are unfamiliar with the ESV maps won't be as intimidated with the 100% change in map pool? Not everyone might have enuf time to practice on the new maps.
Just a thought.

[DUCKVILLELOL]

Just spoke to one of the ESV gents prodiG - apparently some servers have been having issues with the ESV maps working properly with the stupid Arcade - he said to double check all the maps on the server are the correct ones and are fully functional; and if need be we can contact them if we need some help with the maps. When I get home tonight I'll run through them all and make sure it's all good, in case anyone else isn't able to in time.

Quick Comments

AsylumofSouls:

Pretty sure Bullydozer was doing this already but thanks :D

[ToRVenom]

Hey everyone !!!
Really happy to be back Casting the BSG again this week!
Definatly missed u guys & girls!

Hope to see some familiar faces and also some new ones.
looking foward to seeing the great games from u all this week!
Good luck have fun and all the best!

Venom

[Antel0pe]

wtf is this map pool?.. :3

[IXL.GambleJoker]

T_T I will be at friends house, can't play using my laptop.... the keyboard is screwed up == GL to all others

Quick Comments

AsylumofSouls:

Why you have league as plat when you're silver?

[positiv]

Hello!

The map, ESV Bloody Ridge AE has a HUGE flaw:





This allows Zerg to take their third easily and Protoss & Terran to have to kill the tumour and wait for the creep to reside.

Quick Comments

AsylumofSouls:

Not a flaw, good map design.

[DUCKVILLELOL]

This is not a flaw, it's designed so that Zerg can take the third as needed (Zerg's know how important this is...!)

The reason it's there in the first place is to stop 4gate, if you could put a pylon up there at the third and warp into the main... impossible to stop.

[positiv]

Then that is a flaw in the map. You can't fix one race's advantage by giving an advantage to another race. How can you play a really greedy fast three-CC on this map (hypothetically speaking, not saying I would, but I wouldn't be able to if I wanted to)? Playing against a Zerg, how can I block / delay their third hatch? You can't is the short answer. It's not a fair map. It is a straight up, uncontested fast third for Zerg that costs the price of one hatchery. P&T have to spend minerals in order to get access to their third.

A more elegant way to fix the pylon abuse would to put in some dead-space around the main-third border. Water, trees, (non-destructible) rocks, debris... Basically stop the warp-in on the low ground. To a lesser extent, it will also narrow down the Reaper entrance points.

[DUCKVILLELOL]

Originally Posted by positiv

Then that is a flaw in the map. You can't fix one race's advantage by giving an advantage to another race. How can you play a really greedy fast three-CC on this map (hypothetically speaking, not saying I would, but I wouldn't be able to if I wanted to)? Playing against a Zerg, how can I block / delay their third hatch? You can't is the short answer. It's not a fair map. It is a straight up, uncontested fast third for Zerg that costs the price of one hatchery. P&T have to spend minerals in order to get access to their third.

A more elegant way to fix the pylon abuse would to put in some dead-space around the main-third border. Water, trees, (non-destructible) rocks, debris... Basically stop the warp-in on the low ground. To a lesser extent, it will also narrow down the Reaper entrance points.

I'm not really going to argue too much because I've spoken directly to the designer (because initially I thought it was an issue too) and he told me it wasn't - through testing and other means they decided it should be as it is.

It's hardly an "advantage" for zerg to be able to get the third - if a zerg takes a third super fast, they are open to early 1 base pressure, or even 2. If you're a terran and you want a "greedy" third, how about taking the islands that *no* race can get to APART from Terran until t2 tech is out? Your whole point of 'if I can't delay the zerg third' isn't really that logic, if you'd play zerg you'd know you really need to be a base ahead of p or t to be able to compete at all with those races, purely because of the high efficiency of their units compared to zerg.

As for making it a purely blocked off third - how is Tal'Darim going these days? Still gets bitched at by EVERYONE especially Zerg because keeping the zerg from taking a third efficiently really degrades their ability to stay in the game. Any other maps that have a fully blocked off third? Nope. The ONLY map left in the ladder pool that has a rock-blocked third is Tal'Darim, and you can bet your bottom dollar that map is out next week when ladder resets.

Also I forgot: It's not just about 3rd bases: good luck EVER getting a pvp that isn't 4gate if P can warp in from that high ground - and while your idea about adding dead zone has merit; you need to remember this is a remake of an old BW map, as part of the BW remake pack that ESV released (like a few of these ones) - and I'm not sure there is space to add any dead zone unfortunately