[teuf]

Just keen to know how everyone fares on the two different servers? Im fairly bad at starcraft and Gold 1v1 in SEA but Plat 1v1 on NA, then my highest team on SEA is Platinum but on NA i just got promoted to Masters 3v3.

Its seems a whole lot easier over there if you can put up with all the extra BM, anyone else notice this?

[syfChadMann]

I'm gold Protoss on SEA and my off race (Zerg) on NA is Diamond... go figure.

[Asrathiel]

Bronzey bronze on SEA, NA placements stuck me in silver but haven't played on there since then

[iM yang]

AFAIK Sea leagues are equivelant to one league higher on NA. Gold -> Plat, Plat -> Dia,
Dia -> low master.

It stops once you get to mid master which is about even. Mid GM on SEA is equivelant to high masters on NA though.

This is based off personal experience as I laddered through both around about the same time and hearing other people say similiar things.

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[breadfan]

Originally Posted by SQLTt.yang

AFAIK Sea leagues are equivelant to one league higher on NA. Gold -> Plat, Plat -> Dia,
Dia -> low master.

It stops once you get to mid master which is about even. Mid GM on SEA is equivelant to high masters on NA though.

This is based off personal experience as I laddered through both around about the same time and hearing other people say similiar things.

Personally, I see the first threshold in player development as when you are able to get the hang of doing what you should be doing - keeping money low, using hotkeys, not getting supply capped, constant workers and units making, etc. It's not that you do it perfectly or even well at all, but you start to think of the game, the right way. On SEA, this happens in bronze, and is the difference between low bronze and high bronze. On NA, I think it only happens about the time you get promoted to silver, or even after. This gap in skill thresholds is explained easily, as obviously its higher population means the bottom 20% on NA are further away from average skill than SEA, while 'average' is probably pretty similar.

I find that in NA, people play a more basic game - fundamentals like macro are similar (that gap where a threshold is reached gets smaller the higher you get), whereas on SEA people in lower leagues are more competition focused - which means that they work more on refining things that NA players only do in later leagues

e.g. as a gold league Terran, if I open banshees on SEA, it gets scouted and will be dealt with somewhat effectively - a scan may be saved, turrets will be waiting, marines are on perimeter defense duty etc. On NA, I will do a lot more damage.

I don't ladder much on NA (I use it for warmups very occasionally) and I think it would be fair to say that as I'm nearing promotion to plat on SEA, I would be high plat and perhaps nearing promotion to diamond on NA.

[ePFalcon]

Personally it seems to me that both SEA and NA are roughly equal in terms of skill. I generally spend most of my time on NA though (easier to find matches), but I do agree that NA overall is more BM than SEA.

[nGenLight]

10x the amount of good players, so also 10x the amount of bad players.

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[CptObnoxious]

Originally Posted by xGKingLight

10x the amount of good players, so also 10x the amount of bad players.

Yeah, I think this is spot on. It seems like the best players on AM are better than the best players on SEA, but the worst players on SEA are probably a little better than the worst players on AM.

[iM yang]

Also I can't stand to play on NA for too long because every second game I get bm'd super hard...

Doesn't make me angry, just depressed why people so angry on NA?

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[TASlowHands]

MMR usually gets you opponents of the same level. I've noticed on NA the matchups are really extreme though, Like i'll either play someone really bad or really gosu, but that might be timezone related where im playing sleep deprived nerds sometimes My record for w/l and points are pretty much the same between servers so grats to blizzard there.

[PiG]

Originally Posted by SQLTt.yang

Also I can't stand to play on NA for too long because every second game I get bm'd super hard...

Doesn't make me angry, just depressed why people so angry on NA?

yeah I always thought in films where they give wedgies to the nerds and beat them up was exaggerated but with the bitter, sad and angry attitudes coming out of alot of NA sc2 players i almost believe it :P

Either they are passing on the abuse they recieved in their culture, or they genuinely think its funny to abuse people over the internet >.<

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NvJazBas:

Yeah and its not just some randoms who bm. Even the very well known gamers who are actually pretty good still bms very hard

[JoFritzMD]

Originally Posted by SQLTt.yang

Also I can't stand to play on NA for too long because every second game I get bm'd super hard...

Doesn't make me angry, just depressed why people so angry on NA?

It's because you play protoss.

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ToRDeathsFang:

win

[TABottles]

I'm a Gold League player on SEA, NA and KR.. The Korean Gold League feels as if i'm playing diamond players or something. I should be demoted to silver I would say.

[QEDMazaire]

Well when i was top 8 bronze on SEA i got into gold on NA. go figure, that having been said. i am now a plat zerg and i am a gold zerg on KR. go figure.

Originally Posted by TABottles

I'm a Gold League player on SEA, NA and KR.. The Korean Gold League feels as if i'm playing diamond players or something. I should be demoted to silver I would say.

I found i wasn't ready for the amount of aggression they are able to put on you... all the time. lol. but that having been said there are a lot of one trick ponys who have mastered one build or timing push :/

[aLtMrFool]

The BM thing is so true.. Imo they should create an achievment for 'streaks of not getting BM'ed' starting from 3 games, 5 games then 10.. I wouldn't get any of them

I beat a toss and marine and marauders are 'free'
I beat a zerg and well.. 3-3 marines are apparently OP against 0-0 zerglings
I beat a terran and well.. Terran is OP apparently with 100% w/l in TvT

[ToRPandarine]

on SEA but in NA...and that was 2 seasons ago when I was uber active sc2 playing :3

[syfMiley]

I don't go on NA much because of the wedgie factor, it's hard explaining to my mom why I need new briefs every week.

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LennX:

Win.

[rezyn8]

SEA > (recently promoted from )
NA >

But I hardly play on NA because SEA is such a good community!

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cruxBsK:

awesome me too.

[Yonge]

Originally Posted by rezyn8

But I hardly play on NA because SEA is such a good community!

Agreed! Ppl are willing to talk more on SEA and in a mannered fashion. I only go to NA because sometimes hard to find games in SEA.

Silver in SEA, Gold in NA

[Asrathiel]

Originally Posted by aLtMrFool

I beat a terran and well.. Terran is OP apparently with 100% w/l in TvT

Bwahahaha, that's hilarious ^_^

I always get surprised when someone's really BM on SEA, it doesn't happen very often

[Mayo]

Bronze on SEA, Gold on NA

[Volition]

Similar to everyone else, i am 1 rank higher on NA than i am on SEA. gold on SEA and Plat on NA. And you really notice the difference in skill levels of the players. i find that the plats on sea (well the ones i am gettin put up against) would tear through the plats from NA.

But we must be careful to not generalise all of the NA players and SEA players with a single generalisation - But have we found anyone (below masters) who is higher on SEA than they are on NA with a significant number of games played on both?

I was gold on the KR server as welld uring my free trial. i saw more new builds and weird pushes than i have in the last 20 hours playing on SEA or NA. just madness agression.

[FSBenAD]

Yeah same for me and most of my team. I am on NA and on SEA. I made playing as random too on NA originally, although that was because I hardly got any games spawned as , which I am awful at lol.

[Wolf_Dragunov]

yeah i agree this is a trend im finiding happening more and more, 1v1 SEA bronze 1v1 NA Gold 2v2 SEA bronze 2v2 NA silver 3v3 SEA Plat (Random and insuregence carried me ) also bronze here with some mates 3v3 NA Plat, its crazy! i dont under stand why this is but it is i think because ther are more players on the server the matchmaking system can get ppl more suited to your skill but that still. doesnt explain y i am such high levels compared to SEA on NA.

[Scope_IV]

Im mid masters on both servers, with a way better score on NA.

[ricecake]

Interesting stats... reddit seems to have the general opinion the SEA server is less talented, but then again reddit is probably dominated by NA players anyways

[IXLbwodie]

I used to find NA a fair bit easier but am now finding that the skill levels feel alot more even

[Fallen]

I was Platinum last season on NA and Silver on SEA.

[ToR.Arnor]

I rarely play on NA but I remember doing my placement matches and playing about 20ish games knowing only the hot keys for scvs and marines and not knowing about "a-move" and still getting placed in silver and having a win rate well over 60%

Im kinda having a bit of a break from sc2 due to irl stuff (and spending my limited gaming time playing Heroes VI ^_^) but I think I should spend season 6 on NA to see what its like

[Jaywalk]

plat on SEA, plat on KR, diamond on NA.

[FvRphoneheha]

Agree with yang: SEA is one league higher until mid masters, then it sort of evens out.

By the way, how does everyone rate low/mid/high/top masters? My understanding is top 100/50/25/8 is the corresponding sequence, but I'm not sure if everyone thinks of it that way?

[EveLoire]

NA is abit easier compared to SEA maybe mid-masters and below, that's from my own experience.

That said, i only ladder on NA if searching games on SEA is taking forever, or i go NA if i feel like getting BM-ed (which happens after >80% of the games there)

[twistedalpha]

You guys are way over your head. There are many factors affecting your skill in some regions you play in, some people got a league higher or lower when they play in NA or in KR for example.

But the majority of people are saying if you're originally on SEA then you play on NA your league will go down then if you play in KR your league will go down further.

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[Thoth]

In my personal experience, NA is easier in the lower leagues, I am gold here, yet diamond on NA. However, what is interesting is that their masters and beyond seem to be of higher calibre than ours

[EveLoire]

Originally Posted by twistedalpha

But the majority of people are saying if you're originally on SEA then you play on NA your league will go down then if you play in KR your league will go down further.

Sadly from the replies here what you say appears to be untrue, the leagues are definitely easier on NA until mid masters as most people here have stated.

[NERV]

I'm on NA and on SEA.

Am I the only one that expereinces less frequent, but more severe BM on SEA?

The worst BM I have got on NA is some trash talk before leaving or just simple trash comments about your race.

I have run into 2 very bad BM'ers on SEA, one of which was a protoss that always cannoned rushs and rages at his opponent very aggressively after and during the match. Another was a Zerg who got so mad at me for beating him as a Terran, he was litreally spamming swear words and threats relentlessly when he lost and after the match.

That's alright and all, but the thing that gets me is that the SEA population is so small, that almost always I will get matched up with them AGAIN straight if I que another match straight after win/losing against them.

I for one, hate running into BM'ers again and again especially seeing they are usually much more angry then before and will try to cheese you almost all the time, and as a person that favors macro games and fast expand builds.. It sort of sucks.

I usually go to the point where I will add the BM'er as a friend and wait until he/she is ingame THEN que my next match. I would do this even if they are online a week or so after their BM attack...

[ricecake]

Originally Posted by NERV

That's alright and all, but the thing that gets me is that the SEA population is so small, that almost always I will get matched up with them AGAIN straight if I que another match straight after win/losing against them.

Now that is something I had not thought about at all. I play exclusively on the NA ladder ( ) and it is a very rare occasion to run into the same person twice in a row.

[Asrathiel]

Originally Posted by NERV

I usually go to the point where I will add the BM'er as a friend and wait until he/she is ingame THEN que my next match. I would do this even if they are online a week or so after their BM attack...

That's a cool idea.

If they're really rude sometimes I go talk to them after the game, and say how sorry I am that their life is so terrible that they have to be rude to random people to feel better about themselves

[|Erasmus|]

Originally Posted by Asrathiel

That's a cool idea.

If they're really rude sometimes I go talk to them after the game, and say how sorry I am that their life is so terrible that they have to be rude to random people to feel better about themselves

Or just block communication with them so they can't talk to you any more.

But yeah, sometimes I ask people what it's like to have such a pathetic life they need validation from me for winning a game of starcraft... because sometimes I don't GG because I play horribly, and they want to go digging for a reaction.

[Asrathiel]

Originally Posted by |Erasmus|

Or just block communication with them so they can't talk to you any more.

Yeah I do that afterwards.

I had this one dude who kept pausing the game without saying anything and restarting without telling me, then he killed my main and my nat, but i had another two bases elsewhere, so I wasn't quite dead yet... then he was like 'gg ***' every 2 seconds til he found my other bases. I had to go and express my sympathy for his pathetic life afterwards

[rezyn8]

LOL - I want to give Light +rep for his -rep to twistedalpha above!

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[Posigen]

yeah I got into silver on NA while I was pretty bad bronze (rank 20?) and im now high silver so I dont want to know how it would be on NA... I might offrace there a bit to learn other races

[Kommissar]

I'm Diamond as main race (toss) on NA, and Diamond as off-race (zerg) on SEA. In my opinion NA gets better when you hit mid-high diamond

[Kepler]

I managed to get Platinum as Random on NA before I was even a high Gold player on SEA as Zerg. I've noticed for me that mid diamond is about equal to high plat/low diamond on SEA, but it almost certainly jumps up in difficulty on NA far above SEA once you start getting to top 8 diamond. We'd probably have similar results with SEA if we had the population and internet infrastructure in Australia.

[Zealo]

this season i used up all my bonus pool before the lock on both, not quite promoted to masters on SEA and not quite promoted to platinum on NA (rank 1 in my division in both)

[Sedz]

Originally Posted by Zealo

this season i used up all my bonus pool before the lock on both, not quite promoted to masters on SEA and not quite promoted to platinum on NA (rank 1 in my division in both)

If you get into masters I'll be disappointed with everything

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Zealo:

thanks for the motivation :)

[Zealo]

it will happen with placement at start of season. i have GM level ZvP to carry the rest of my MUs

[Sedz]

Originally Posted by Zealo

it will happen with placement at start of season. i have GM level ZvP to carry the rest of my MUs

**** you. I hate you so much

[Kepler]

Originally Posted by Sedz

**** you. I hate you so much

I'm of the opinion that Zealo is a hate sponge. We simply improve his rating by hating on him. Eventually it will reach a point that pure hatred will power him to be the first random player to win GSL.

With a 10 pool.

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[TAEdgE]

YEH GO SEA

+ Show +

Ret is one of my fav 3 zergs and i had never played him before ( at least not that i can recall) so i am now sad T_T (he left cos of comp lag)

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[Zealo]

in the meantime, your hatred and disgust have powerred team AsG to rank 1 on SEA in 2v2s

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Kepler:

[jayaiwhy]

Isn't it easier to be promoted in NA because there's so much more players?
And leagues are the top x% of the total players?

I quit NA after I got into Masters in 17wins with a new account, I think SEA is more challenging.

[berenoune]

at SEA and at NA o_o

[asdfSchnitzel]

To put this in perspective, my friend who has never played Starcraft before came over and had a try on my NA account which is . He proceeded to win 5 of the next 7 games against opponants (However i did help him a tiny bit by saying what units to build ). In SEA , I have trouble trying to beat people also in . Go Figure.

(wayyy too many s <: )

[MeLo]

Of course Bronze-Low Masters will have a lower skill gap since they have way more people.

Their high Masters and GM are on another level.

[mGGSouth]

Originally Posted by QEDSchnitzel

To put this in perspective, my friend who has never played Starcraft before came over and had a try on my NA account which is . He proceeded to win 5 of the next 7 games against opponants (However i did help him a tiny bit by saying what units to build ). In SEA , I have trouble trying to beat people also in . Go Figure.

(wayyy too many s <: )

Slight massive exaggeration? :P

[Snx.Mufasa]

seems like im the only one that is in a higher league on sea xD

sea

NA

not that i play much on either servers but you can defs notice the difference in skill when you compare them.

[TN.Fitz]

Huh, a lot of peoples are saying NA server is actually harder then NA. Interesting. I was going to say quite the opposite I'm not avtive on SEA atm but I placed into bronze. Now bronze is bronze of course. The other guy 4 gates me at 8:30 lol. And I was able to win by a triple exspanding brood lord rush herp derp. Enough said there

[Akilos]

I ended up getting in NA just by off racing as
I'm just a wee little sad .here in SEA

[ke_ivan]

Yeah man, I've been cruising at bronze in SEA and when I play placement matches, I place in silver or gold in NA. I'd rather not play on the NA server anymore though. On the SEA server you see better executed all-ins, better macro players, even at bronze, which is kinda scary. everybody seems clued into the late game, although cannon rushing seems all the rage now (in one of the 2-player maps, cannons actually saw up my ramp >.<).

But the Korean server is tough, even at bronze level! When I played TvT on my friend's account, I saw like the best-timed 1) thor rush; 2) two-port banshee; 3) marauder rush... almost GSL timing! All of which i lost to, despite scouting. it's like micro wars down there!