[BalloonSPR]

this build is used in pvp and pvt

i will tell you pvt build order

this build's Benefits are there are no Certain counter in this build

it can be stronger and stronger by user's control+Sense

this build is specialy strong vs no gas expo

i usually use thie build in ladder cuz it's win rate is good and fast



now it's build order


9 pylon - 10Chrono Boosting - 13 gate+Chrono Boosting -14 gas -15 Chrono Boosting- 16 pylon - 17 core -

18 gas -when core completed stalker and warp gate upgrade do Chrono Boosting each then it will have 0

mp in nexus - 23 pylon - 1more stalker(no Chrono Boosting ) - Twilight Council - Robo - now all

chrono boosting is going to be on blink upgrade - +3gate - then it will be 29/34 and when robo completed

make observer then 30/34 - probe have to be stoped with 25 ( mineral 18+gas6+ 1 for doing prox pylon)

when observer clicked go make 2 prox pylon and make stalker's there

then when the observer come blink up grade + 8 stalker +observer get ready

then go to terran's base and after is you sense

you can blink up to terran's base and break tec lab of barracks

and don't blink the whole stalkers when you have to run away

fight with terran army and blink one by one (this can be hard first but if you use many time it's easy)

then you can kill terran army and blinker's only get hurt there shield

and make 4 more stalkers do it again and again

then your stalkers will be more then terran army

then go front blink and you will get win keke

any question ask me i will answer for u

-BalloonSPR-

Quick Comments

	asdfSchnitzel:	Awesome build with precise instructions. Problem is now people know how to counter :>
	Apth:	Thanks for sharing dude
	ROOTPetraeus:	So kind to this community <3
	TCPLemminks:	<3
	neon:
	TCPKiaSu:
	lolwut:	GOOOOO BALLOON! :D
	Spud:	Now u told everyone, how do i beat it? I ******* hate this build
	EXCL:
	SungInSPR:	TOO OP :(
	FSBenAD:	Thankyou so much
	Champi:	dont tell spud how to beat it yet, spud i challenge u to bo7 asap :D
	naviC:
	Dexterique:	Thank you! <3
	pRoEpsilon:	love it!!!! ty ty!! <3
	ToRVenom:

[ETL.ViTaL]

cool build but will it work against a terran who goes 2 rax expo ?

[BalloonSPR]

Originally Posted by ViTaL

cool build but will it work against a terran who goes 2 rax expo ?

you mean reactor tech lab ?

this is the most difficult to fight with

but i vs reactor tech lab expo like

see with stalker that 2 murdero +8marine comes and

use chrone boosting in warp gate upgrade one more and make sentry

and kill the army and go rush with stalker(blinked)

then there is not much army in terran's base

[SLCNPezz]

Originally Posted by BalloonSPR

you mean reactor tech lab ?

this is the most difficult to fight with

but i vs reactor tech lab expo like

see with stalker that 2 murdero +8marine comes and

use chrone boosting in warp gate upgrade one more and make sentry

and kill the army and go rush with stalker(blinked)

then there is not much army in terran's base

If they went tech lab first and come out with concussive how do you scout and react? Does it hit late enough to get warpgate research up and running?

I just used the build and it worked a charm vs a 1 rax tech lab expand.

[FaDeBadger]

Haha thats the build you used against Nada! Now I don't have to go over the replay many times to get the build order. Much love balloon!! I'd also like to point out that this is exactly why we should encourage Korean players or any high level player for that matter to become involved with our community.

Quick Comments

	BalloonSPR:
	asdfSchnitzel:

[Aean(:]

for someone who is alt tab guru and wants to follow on. i used this and just raped some terrans balloon. i dont even play protoss yo

9 Pylon
10 Chrono Nexus (1)
13 Gateway + Chrono Nexus (2)
14 Gas
15 Chrono Nexus (3)
16 Pylon
17 Cybernetics Core
18 Gas
@100% Core Make stalker and research warp gate technology (chrono both)
23 Pylon
Cut at 25
Stalker
Twilight Council
Robo
+3 Gate
*All Chrono on blink upgrade
Observer
Proxy 2 pylons

gogogogogo atk yo

Quick Comments

	ToRSpookToR:	no.
	ToRDeathsFang:	counter unnecessary -rep
	inFeZa:	ty

[ToRSpookToR]

sigh time to ladder on NA

Quick Comments

	Aean(::	you just jelly you got crushed :3
	Synizta:	Counter-pointless rep.

[PulseSPR]

I love you ballooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon

you should be very protective of yourself because someone can come and pop you with a needle!

Thanks for the build order!

[Giftbox]

Now for my question....
How do you defeat this specially in antiga shipyard if i went 4rax < mvp style or just the normal 3rax

[BalloonSPR]

Originally Posted by Giftbox

Now for my question....
How do you defeat this specially in antiga shipyard if i went 4rax < mvp style or just the normal 3rax

you mean expo and 4rax push or normal 3rax?


if its right 4rax push is easy only marine can't kill even 1 stalker if stalker contorl is good keke

3rax is control vs control

terran have to defence and make dropship that hills (i don't know the word keke )

Quick Comments

	mGGSouth:	Medivac :)
	FlashVeno:	*heals :D

[faithHunter]

I haven't really tried the BO yet, but just from looking at the BO and imagining it happening to me, I can already say that this is pretty damn hard to hold as the Terran, since the Stalkers can just blink to the Terran's base from the low ground via the Observer, bypassing the bunkers and leaving the marines/marauders vulnerable.

Now I'll try to find the counter to this build, let's see...

2rax Fact Marine Siege Tanks: Too immobile for the blink stalkers, since they can just blink to the high ground.
1-1-1 Banshees: No. The presence of the Observer in your base makes Cloak useless.
3Rax Stim MM: This might be a viable counter, since this build can be considered an all in since the Toss went on 2 tech paths AND 4gates. The main problem now is if the Protoss has insane blink micro :/
Another alternative is to spot the cloaked observer and try to scan and kill it with a few marines. That will delay the attack for a while.

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BalloonSPR:

[TCPLemminks]

Have you guys thought of scanning the place where he blinked in to kill the obs?
Which would mean that you'd have to move the obs away once you've blinked in to avoid this.

[BalloonSPR]

Originally Posted by TCPLemminks

Have you guys thought of scanning the place where he blinked in to kill the obs?
Which would mean that you'd have to move the obs away once you've blinked in to avoid this.

terran have to kill the obs

so protoss user have to take care of their obs

obs take many gases so if you make more then 1 it's hard to make stalkers so you have to ob control hard

[EXCL]

Originally Posted by BalloonSPR

terran have to kill the obs

so protoss user have to take care of their obs

obs take many gases so if you make more then 1 it's hard to make stalkers so you have to ob control hard

Very nice advice there

[ROOT`iaguz]

Oh for fucks sake is this really necessary?

Quick Comments

	Celldweller:	trolol
	MooZfY:	LOL iaguz aha
	ToRCrispy:
	faithHunter:	No it isn't neccesary.

[FaDeBadger]

Originally Posted by xGKingiaguz

Oh for fucks sake is this really necessary?

Are you saying you don't want more protoss people playing like Korean protoss? How rude >: (

[Delraich]

thanks man, this is awesome.

[inFeZa]

I ******* suck at shit like this. wtf am i doing wrong?

[jump]

this BO kill my RedArchon

[TCPLemminks]

Hey Ballon,

Can you link us to a replay of this build?

[FaDeBadger]

He used this build against Nada in the replay pack posted here

[koven]

For Terrans: A simple sensor tower is great against this build. It gives you heaps of time to react to his army movement and allows you to more safely have units at your natural (rather than protecting your main)

Alot of the times the P will not even try to get in your main when he knows the sensor tower is there. If he does though you are ready.

Also it's better than place depots around your main edges and have them get sniped by stalkers, which can hurt alot when his big push at the front comes.

[ProAnnn]

Originally Posted by koven

For Terrans: A simple sensor tower is great against this build. It gives you heaps of time to react to his army movement and allows you to more safely have units at your natural (rather than protecting your main)

Alot of the times the P will not even try to get in your main when he knows the sensor tower is there. If he does though you are ready.

Also it's better than place depots around your main edges and have them get sniped by stalkers, which can hurt alot when his big push at the front comes.

I have no idea where the hell did you get the gas to get senso r tower against this build.

[koven]

Originally Posted by iRLProAnnn

I have no idea where the hell did you get the gas to get senso r tower against this build.

You can easily afford to delay your factory a bit to get a tower up as if you don't already have your expo running it will make it much safer to retake it, giving you access to 4 gas anyway.

Of course this is more difficult if you go for some kind of mech build/banshee play. I'm talking typical Bio play.

[nGenLight]

As Terran, once you see this build coming, lift your natural CC back to your main, make a good mass of units, get medivacs - win.

Quick Comments

ToRCrispy:

Seems about right :)

[x5.NotoriouS]

You really have to be super good at this build to have a high win rate with it.. If the terran senses it you are pretty much screwed, and even if they dont they can always lift and defend their expo like Light said and out-macro you.

[SLCNPezz]

Originally Posted by pRoNotoriouS

You really have to be super good at this build to have a high win rate with it.. If the terran senses it you are pretty much screwed, and even if they dont they can always lift and defend their expo like Light said and out-macro you.

I agree after some testing I have found that you are REALLY reliant on that first blink into his main, you pretty much need it to be undetected so that you can micro with blink AFTER your cooldown has been reset. If you deny scouting and everything though this build is super strong.

[Champi]

Rossi's thorzain build does pretty well vs it. it has a nice stim timing

when i tried it vs him in practice i didnt execute it perfectly well, as i was just fooling around with my own timings but even if i had, i still believe he would have been able to hold it.

[Tom]

Omg, it is such a privilege to have a professional posting builds here. I've been watching HerO do variations of this blink opening vs T on his stream, especially on maps like Metalopolis (not necessarily 1base, oftening staying on 3 gate and expanding behind it).

This very sharp BO makes we want to log back onto SC2 and give it a whirl!

[NvRossi]

delete this thread

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FaDeKerrigan:

=) such an annoying build!

[FaDeBadger]

Originally Posted by TARossi

delete this thread

Terran tears? That's not something we see everyday.

Quick Comments

NvRossi:

dis build is da gay!

[SmirkToT]

what about quick hellions?

[PiG]

lolol nirvana killed me with this last night >.<

[pRoEpsilon]

Question - How do I defend against this in PvP, because it seems like it is a good build to expand while harassing. Thus I feel I need to expand to keep up but if I go robo tech, i can't seem to defend my expo at my natural from getting denied and my main from being harass even with an immortal on each side. advise?

[TAXanT]

Only just got linked to this now, thanks Balloon!

[Jaywalk]

watching light do this build at lan was one of the big factors that made me switch to protoss time to have a go at it myself i believe.

[ToRPandarine]

god...im glad ive yet to see this in the bsg level D:

[Shana]

I used similar build b4 but without the robo... just do 4 gate blink and the terran gg straight within 10mins

[jtxgaming]

I like variations of this build, 1gate blink expo - 3gate robo
Quick enough to stop cloak banshees and you'll also have blink.
Bad against rushes.
IMO use only on bigger maps

[Fourby]

This bloody build.

when i use it, i get higher win rate, but need to shower more often from feeling so damn dirty

[TAXanT]

Originally Posted by Fourby

This bloody build.

when i use it, i get higher win rate, but need to shower more often from feeling so damn dirty

I don't feel dirty about doing it......yet.

[ToRSpookToR]

Stop bloody bumping this happened to me on ladder last night i can only blame you guys. yes i am aware of the irony. bugger and ****

[Fourby]

LOlOlOlL herp derp im gonna bump the thread telling people not to bump it

[qwid]

Ive lost and won to this but I have no idea how a terran should go about defending (apart from make more units...).

Can any higher level terrans post a counter or at least the proper reaction to this build?

[ToRVenom]

i like it!

[ToRCrispy]

how well does it work against 111? if you do it efficiently, at what point will it hit if your opponent is going 111?

[ToRSpookToR]

it was already bumped you noob, also in regards to 1/1/1 it hits just before 8 mins right? obs stalker kill banshee if he is going hellion drop not much trouble first tank will be popping from memory pretty good

[Ruski]

Will have to add this build to my repertoire, once i get my basic mechanics I will try this out for PvT.

[Fourby]

yeh 1/1/1 guys cant leave their base. + u have an obs and blink stalkers vs banshee's............ at most the tanks help to defend, but then protoss can just expand and do whatever coz they SHOULD be completely contained, if they try move out they would get kited to hell and back

[faithHunter]

You know, I'm just theorycrafting right now, but I think I just found a "counter" to this build, which is a relatively overshadowed unit.

The Raven.

For the stalkers to blink up to the high ground, there has to be some sort of unit that can give vision to the high ground so that the stalkers can just blink up and kill everything. In this case; the Observer. The Raven can detect the observer and then you can kill it with a couple of marines.

Another use for the ravens is that when you are forced to engage the protoss head on, you can just summon a PDD and block the stalkers's projectile.

Still, I haven't tried it yet, since I never faced this build on ladder before.

[OSPixel]

I'm only a diamond terran. but if i were to see this build (great share btw) i would have probally opened gas 1rax FE. to start with. if i noticed what he was doing i would place a couple bunkers at my expo ramp for early pressure before blink is done. and after i have gone into 3 rax start building mauraders and get conc / stim. and when conc is done. i would just start playing aggresivly around my base looking for proxys and engaging the protoss as much as i could trying to not let him blink up top. if he did it would probally be gg. i havent seen this build on the ladder yet. so i cant give a definate answer as to how to counter. but thats probally what i would do anyway.

although i would probally fail

[ToRSpookToR]

to counter you need to lift your nat cc into your main and get stim then win stalkers are pretty useless vs bio also take note that there is a 3 gate blink expo so watch for that.

[faithHunter]

Originally Posted by Spo0k

to counter you need to lift your nat cc into your main and get stim then win stalkers are pretty useless vs bio also take note that there is a 3 gate blink expo so watch for that.

Stalkers can just blink up to your main and slaughter everything.

[ToRSpookToR]

yes but they can also attack your nat easier to defend main only then nat and main...

[ROOT`iaguz]

You defend this build by doing what Light said. You float your natural into your main. You pull a bunch of scvs to deal with the initial attack because you won't have enough bio yet and then you hold on for as long as you can until he's defeated. There's no obvious timing for when this is, but trust your 1.5 base Terran to outproduce a 1 base Protoss eventually. After he has expended himself it's a casual walk across the map to go end his shitty stalker army with your medivac + bio. Some Protoss might try to just expand instantly and pretend to be going full all in so keep tabs on just how many units he does have, try to build a sense for it.

Smaller tricks include:

1) when you scout 2 gas and a few stalkers early, strongly suspect this opening. Keeping scouts near the cliff can be one way to confirm it. Most protoss will only build stalkers early if they are doing this build as sentries cost precious gas and zealots do nothing.
2) scan and pick off observers whenever you can. Every observer you snag kills 1.5 stalkers that he wants to make instead and buys you more time.
3) Prioritise building marauders. Stim marauders rip stalkers up, and concussive shell is very useful when chasing the speedy bastards
4) keep your buildings away from cliffs. Your tech lab for stim must be in a safe place deep in your main and close enough to pull scvs for quick repair. If he snipes your stim research then you're going to have an extremely hard time beating his attack.
5) bunkers don't do anything. Salvage them/don't bother.
6) this is a big one so it gets put in all caps and bold FOR THE LOVE OF GOD BE CAREFUL WITH HOW YOU STIM AND DO NOT PURSUE!. So many times a terran will be in a great spot vs this and he fucks it up by killing 20% of his army with stim and chasing a protoss who just "LoL Blinku!" and loses nothing. Stim is great for punishing shitty blinks but it's never something you just throw out. Also, chasing blink stalkers before you have an overwhelming amount of units is fatal. He just blinks away, warps in another round of stalkers and then jumps on you once stim wears off. Stim again? Great! That's 40% of your army you just killed before a stalker fired a single shot. Cool.

If you're playing a 1/1/1 style and your opponent opens these then you have to decide whether you want to all in and risk getting backstabbed and playing that horrible game or trying to expand and try to avoid losing anything to random blink pokes. I dunno it's fairly miserable.

Quick Comments

	Fourby:	GO AWAY THIS THREAD IS TO KILL TERRANS LOLOL
	TCPLemminks:	WHY DID THEY REMOVE NEG REP, DON'T TRUST HIM

[ProAnnn]

Originally Posted by xGKingiaguz

You defend this build by doing what Light said. You float your natural into your main. You pull a bunch of scvs to deal with the initial attack because you won't have enough bio yet and then you hold on for as long as you can until he's defeated. There's no obvious timing for when this is, but trust your 1.5 base Terran to outproduce a 1 base Protoss eventually. After he has expended himself it's a casual walk across the map to go end his shitty stalker army with your medivac + bio. Some Protoss might try to just expand instantly and pretend to be going full all in so keep tabs on just how many units he does have, try to build a sense for it.

Smaller tricks include:

1) when you scout 2 gas and a few stalkers early, strongly suspect this opening. Keeping scouts near the cliff can be one way to confirm it. Most protoss will only build stalkers early if they are doing this build as sentries cost precious gas and zealots do nothing.
2) scan and pick off observers whenever you can. Every observer you snag kills 1.5 stalkers that he wants to make instead and buys you more time.
3) Prioritise building marauders. Stim marauders rip stalkers up, and concussive shell is very useful when chasing the speedy bastards
4) keep your buildings away from cliffs. Your tech lab for stim must be in a safe place deep in your main and close enough to pull scvs for quick repair. If he snipes your stim research then you're going to have an extremely hard time beating his attack.
5) bunkers don't do anything. Salvage them/don't bother.
6) this is a big one so it gets put in all caps and bold FOR THE LOVE OF GOD BE CAREFUL WITH HOW YOU STIM AND DO NOT PURSUE!. So many times a terran will be in a great spot vs this and he fucks it up by killing 20% of his army with stim and chasing a protoss who just "LoL Blinku!" and loses nothing. Stim is great for punishing shitty blinks but it's never something you just throw out. Also, chasing blink stalkers before you have an overwhelming amount of units is fatal. He just blinks away, warps in another round of stalkers and then jumps on you once stim wears off. Stim again? Great! That's 40% of your army you just killed before a stalker fired a single shot. Cool.

If you're playing a 1/1/1 style and your opponent opens these then you have to decide whether you want to all in and risk getting backstabbed and playing that horrible game or trying to expand and try to avoid losing anything to random blink pokes. I dunno it's fairly miserable.

Nirvana you are protoss right? DELETE THIS POST!

But whatever iaguz said is totally good to defend against blink obs.

[FaDeKerrigan]

Just my 2 cents. I've seen GM Terrans held
this off before. Lift CC at nat to main. Throw down a fourth barracks just to get the quantity up. Pull a couple of SCVs (5-6) during the first engagement to stall time and accumulate your bio ball. Try to keep your production buildings as inward to your main CC as possible. Build one or two bunkers inside your main. Save scans! Pre empt it either just before the stalkers blink up(ideal if you are certain your marines are in range to snipe
It) or right at the start of the engagement(good tosses will withdraw the observer once the staplers blink up so you gotta be fast). Push out with your bio ball and first 2 medivacs. Remember to scout around your base and destroy the proxy pylon(s) before doing so. Props to Light and Iaguz for the initial tips!

[x5.Phoenix]

Is this similar to what HasuObs did against SASE and other opponents at the Red Bull Orlando LAN...

Here is game one if anyone is interested, casted by good old Day9!

You Tube

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[SLCNPezz]

Hero just used this in GSL against MVP, but MVP had a money scan so hero expanded whilst pressuring with obs/stalkers.

A small extra tip for terrans out there, before you move out you want an army twice as good as his stalkers are, so that can engage him with half his army and then if he blinks into your main you have the other half there to destroy him and win the game.

[SmirkToT]

this build make me lost so many points

no surprise mvp lost to it

[ToRVenom]

http://www.sc2sea.com/replays.php?do=viewreplay&id=801
Replay of me attempting 4 gate build.
Let me know what you all think ..
And also what i can improve i know i missed warping. and macro was shotty. first time doing this build

[numlOcked]

man sick build i was just wondering how effective this is against 1 base play i am plat and not every terren early expands

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ToRVenom:

every terran i vs in plat seem to fast expand

[mGGMueX]

Originally Posted by numlOcked

man sick build i was just wondering how effective this is against 1 base play i am plat and not every terren early expands

Non-early expand is almost certainly an all-in of some form or another. It should be able to take out a 111 because it hits before the push is ready and has an observer, the only problem would be marauder-based pushes. From what I have heard, with proper micro blink stalkers can defeat marauders cost for cost, but I haven't been able to test this due to my sub-korean APM.

[JoFritzMD]

Pre-stim terran dies to stalkers in a head on fight. Post-stim terran destroys everything protoss in an anything anything.

[YesEvil]

This build is amazing, somewhat ineffective against terran as the game progresses but against toss it can be used amazingly. I especially love blinking a few up then hitting the natural with the rest.

Only weakness is a heavy marauder push, or an early 4gate push.

your build, thanks for sharing!