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Unread Fri, 28th-Oct-2011, 11:45 PM Who's Who:   BnetId: Dox.792  Race: Location: Brisbane  Total Posts Made: 2,980 # 1
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IGN ProLeague Australia 4 Wrap Up

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Congratulations to both arcMSI.Rossi and inFi.TargA for making it to the Grand Finals of IPL4 Australia. I'm very proud to say that both of these players showcased some unbelievable talent throughout the entire tournament and I wish them the very best as they represent Australia on the world stage at the IPL4 Pacific Qualifiers in just under 2 weeks.

Some interesting stats from both players in this event:

Rossi
4-1 TvP (Bielsko, Pinder)
6-5 TvZ (mOOnGLaDe, TargA)
2-0 TvT (YoonYJ)

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8-5 ZvT (iaguz, deth, Rossi)
2-0 ZvP (SenSei)

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Unread Fri, 28th-Oct-2011, 11:52 PM Who's Who:   BnetId: Dox.792  Race: Location: Brisbane  Total Posts Made: 2,980 # 2
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I also just wanted to mention how disappointed I am that several well-known members of this community felt the need to sit in the stream chat trolling myself and Paz for two hours of live broadcast. I don't know what I did to trigger such behavior from you, but I'm sorry. You know who you are.

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Unread Sat, 29th-Oct-2011, 12:17 AM Who's Who:   Race: Location: Melbourne  Total Posts Made: 336 # 3
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thank you dox for hosting an awesome event and apologies for ******* around in the finals vs rossi

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Unread Sat, 29th-Oct-2011, 12:25 AM BnetId: TAriiChard.272  Race: Location: Sydney, Australia  Total Posts Made: 491 # 4
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LOL horrible typo on the rep post on RevenantLover. It's meant to be "can't" not "can"... but yeah huge sorry!
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Unread Sat, 29th-Oct-2011, 12:28 AM BnetId: 447  Race: Clan: TA  Location: Newcastle, Australia  Total Posts Made: 55 # 5
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Another excellent event ran by no other than Derek "SEA Superstar Dox" Reball.

I'm sure everybody who watched tonight already knows how much effort you put into these events and truly 100% appreciates all your work and input into the community. SEA is definitely a stronger scene because of people like you! Three cheers for Dox!
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Unread Sat, 29th-Oct-2011, 12:36 AM Who's Who:   BnetId: TAEdgE.100  Race: Clan: TA  Location: Adelaide, Australia  Total Posts Made: 956 # 6
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I don't want to make assumptions, but i figured after 2 days and many hours of casting, plus running all these tournaments to the best of your ability, you wouldn't have been in the best mood when the finals is basically ******* around and you get trolled a bit for a comment.

I do however think you were just looking at negatives. The comments weren't nitpicking your casting, but i apologize if mine or cosmic's comments were insulting. I can't apologise for LoSt though, who did it anyway when we said not to lol.

I, well we value everything you do and were enjoying watching this greatly. I'm sorry if we caught you in a stressful time with just mess around comments, but we never ment it to insult you. I was also saying paz is the best commentator because he talked about hydras with speed, and anyone (especially TA people) will vouch for my love of speed hydras and my talking about them. Basically i said that to paz because it's just an ongoing joke/trait of mine to talk about speed hydras (check my posting history here for god sake!)

Sorry if we were misinterpreted, and this doesn't stem from the slot going to deth or a 2-advancement group either, I'm fine with that!

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Unread Sun, 30th-Oct-2011, 11:11 AM BnetId: TALoSt.281  Race: Clan: TA  Location: Brisbane, Australia  Total Posts Made: 422 # 7
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I do however think you were just looking at negatives. The comments weren't nitpicking your casting, but i apologize if mine or cosmic's comments were insulting. I can't apologise for LoSt though, who did it anyway when we said not to lol.
Gee, thanks.. Now I feel the need to explain myself and you calling me out specifically..

I wasn't paying attention to the chat or wasn't on TeamSpeak the entire duration of your cast, I was attempting to do my assignment (as I said to rich/you a few times) but still sat there and watched through every game casted and was really enjoying it, even if it was completely distracting from my assignment. When I took a 5 minute break from my assignment I jumped on TS with the boys and we started talking about the games, and I hear "warcraft 3 micro" from cam when TargA completely fucked something up. I thought it was pretty funny and posted it in chat as a joke. As soon as I said I'm going to post that in chat and hit enter, cam goes no don't I've already done it 3 times and he's getting pissed. Too late.. I didn't realise it had already been said 3 times and didn't realise you were actually taking offense to it (I thought it was a pretty funny joke, I didn't even know what context it was in. I assume you said TargA's micro was good because of wc3?) or I never would of said it. I still didn't realise how much you didn't like it until I actually took the time to read over chat and realised.. I wasn't jumping on the bandwagon because I didn't even know it was said in the first place I just thought cam's comment was pretty funny and it was the first time I'd heard it..

I dunno why Cam would say it again to the TA boys after you've already said it 3 times in chat and you know its pissing him off, just pointing out every mistake TargA makes?

I'm sorry Dox, I was there from start to finish of every game casted and enjoyed your casting a lot, and I really appreciate everything you did to make this run smoothly.

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Unread Sun, 30th-Oct-2011, 12:25 PM Who's Who:   BnetId: Dox.792  Race: Location: Brisbane  Total Posts Made: 2,980 # 8
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Gee, thanks.. Now I feel the need to explain myself and you calling me out specifically..

I wasn't paying attention to the chat or wasn't on TeamSpeak the entire duration of your cast, I was attempting to do my assignment (as I said to rich/you a few times) but still sat there and watched through every game casted and was really enjoying it, even if it was completely distracting from my assignment. When I took a 5 minute break from my assignment I jumped on TS with the boys and we started talking about the games, and I hear "warcraft 3 micro" from cam when TargA completely fucked something up. I thought it was pretty funny and posted it in chat as a joke. As soon as I said I'm going to post that in chat and hit enter, cam goes no don't I've already done it 3 times and he's getting pissed. Too late.. I didn't realise it had already been said 3 times and didn't realise you were actually taking offense to it (I thought it was a pretty funny joke, I didn't even know what context it was in. I assume you said TargA's micro was good because of wc3?) or I never would of said it. I still didn't realise how much you didn't like it until I actually took the time to read over chat and realised.. I wasn't jumping on the bandwagon because I didn't even know it was said in the first place I just thought cam's comment was pretty funny and it was the first time I'd heard it..

I dunno why Cam would say it again to the TA boys after you've already said it 3 times in chat and you know its pissing him off, just pointing out every mistake TargA makes?

I'm sorry Dox, I was there from start to finish of every game casted and enjoyed your casting a lot, and I really appreciate everything you did to make this run smoothly.
It's all good man - you don't need to explain anything. I was just exhausted after having worked two 11 hour days back to back followed by 6 hour commentary without having any food in my stomach. Took stupid comments to heart (I didn't mean for TargA's Queen to be interpreted as some tremendous over-hyped micro, but merely used it as a trivial segue into the fact that he used to play WarCraft 3, since I hadn't mentioned it on the stream earlier) and when I saw the same comments still echoing in chat 3 games later, it started getting to me. (Also the one time all night I accidentally said "inject" instead of "transfuse" and it became a thing. :P

After the event was over and I went for a walk, ate some food and got some air I was totally chilled about it all. No hard feelings toward anyone!


Also just an update on the results, although most people probably already know since I just got home from the sickest two-day-long Halloween party ever and didn't update immediately - it seems that TargA has declined the 2nd spot, so it'll be handed down to 3rd place YoonYJ.

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Unread Sun, 30th-Oct-2011, 12:36 PM BnetId: TAriiChard.272  Race: Location: Sydney, Australia  Total Posts Made: 491 # 9
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Also just an update on the results, although most people probably already know since I just got home from the sickest two-day-long Halloween party ever and didn't update immediately - it seems that TargA has declined the 2nd spot, so it'll be handed down to 3rd place YoonYJ.
WOW!! mad props to TargA. Sorry to hear that you've got exams and can't attend!
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Unread Sun, 30th-Oct-2011, 1:07 PM Who's Who:   BnetId: TAdeL#159  BattleTag: FXOdeL#468  Race: Clan: TA  Location: Sydney, Australia  Total Posts Made: 1,917 # 10
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Also just an update on the results, although most people probably already know since I just got home from the sickest two-day-long Halloween party ever and didn't update immediately - it seems that TargA has declined the 2nd spot, so it'll be handed down to 3rd place YoonYJ.
As much as I wanted to see TargA go all Viking on ZanooKu, I don't think we lose much with this replacement! Two genuine competitors who can take it to the pros, who played really impressively all qualifier. I think the top 3 (plus maybe pig) really showed the most entertaining and impressive play.

Yoon should also be good for team Aus at the event because he is going to bully all the Koreans into drinking the night before with him, drink them under the table, and make them play against Rossi and himself hung over!

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Unread Sun, 30th-Oct-2011, 1:12 PM Who's Who:   BnetId: Dox.792  Race: Location: Brisbane  Total Posts Made: 2,980 # 11
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Yoon should also be good for team Aus at the event because he is going to bully all the Koreans into drinking the night before with him, drink them under the table, and make them play against Rossi and himself hung over!
Hahahaha YES!! Australia bringing out THE SECRET WEAPON.
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Unread Sat, 29th-Oct-2011, 12:46 AM Total Posts Made: 11 # 12
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They will both get a chance to rub up on my beast. yaaay!
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Unread Sat, 29th-Oct-2011, 1:05 AM Who's Who:   BnetId: TCPLemminks.185  Race: Clan: TCP  Location: Brisbane  Total Posts Made: 931 # 13
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Unread Sat, 29th-Oct-2011, 2:13 AM BnetId: aLtShortizz.576  Race: Location: Singapore  Total Posts Made: 322 # 14
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Unread Sat, 29th-Oct-2011, 3:22 AM BnetId: Nikachu.223  Race: Location: Brisbane, Australia  Total Posts Made: 33 # 15
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Grats guys ) And a big thanks to the effort everyone put into this, was a very fun event to watch. Thanks guys )))

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Unread Sat, 29th-Oct-2011, 3:57 AM Who's Who:   BnetId: TAdeL#159  BattleTag: FXOdeL#468  Race: Clan: TA  Location: Sydney, Australia  Total Posts Made: 1,917 # 16
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Grats Rossi and TargA some unexpected results from perhaps some underappreciated players - it's not surprising to see these two take out top2 of an event with the best in Aus competing but you probably wouldn't call it right away either.
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Unread Sat, 29th-Oct-2011, 4:21 AM BnetId: MskiZenDeX.511  Location: Manila, Philippines  Total Posts Made: 316 # 17
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Rossi, TargA: Hope you own up the IPL Pacific tournament. For SEASPORTS
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Unread Sat, 29th-Oct-2011, 7:31 AM Total Posts Made: 11 # 18
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A Korean will win (or myself), that's just standard.

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A Korean will win (or myself), that's just standard.
No don't be hating on the ITALIAN STALLION.
DON'T YOU KNOW WHO YOU'RE MESSING WITH.

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Unread Sat, 29th-Oct-2011, 11:19 AM Who's Who:   BnetId: NvPinder.933  Race: Clan: TA (Nv)  Location: Melbourne  Total Posts Made: 885 # 20
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Unread Sat, 29th-Oct-2011, 12:16 PM Who's Who:   BnetId: TAEdgE.100  Race: Clan: TA  Location: Adelaide, Australia  Total Posts Made: 956 # 22
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I think he's just doing a generic arrogant joke there, not being serious.
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Unread Sat, 29th-Oct-2011, 12:46 PM Who's Who:   BnetId: aLtnirvAnA.951  BattleTag: nirvAnA#1429  Race: Clan: aLt  Location: Singapore  Total Posts Made: 4,857 # 23
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I'm all for not banning zan (I believe hes been banned by mods over 5 times already) till he once again proves he is deserving of it (might be really soon) or till the other mods can't stand him. yea i always believe people can change for the better and i guess im way too lenient or stupid like that.

nice to see targa pick up a big win! hes been soo good for awhile now

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Unread Sat, 29th-Oct-2011, 1:06 PM Who's Who:   BnetId: TAdeL#159  BattleTag: FXOdeL#468  Race: Clan: TA  Location: Sydney, Australia  Total Posts Made: 1,917 # 24
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yea i always believe people can change for the better and i guess im way too lenient or stupid like that.
It's not stupid it's a quality I admire >_>

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Unread Sat, 29th-Oct-2011, 3:11 PM Who's Who:   BnetId: TAEdgE.100  Race: Clan: TA  Location: Adelaide, Australia  Total Posts Made: 956 # 25
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Nirvana, Rossi won by the way haha, but both 'won' technically!

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How can people take what I said seriously, even with the added "Or myself" comment, gosh...

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RevenantLover / TargA, whatever you want to call youself.
Just remember one thing...
You're an awful long way from home, without anyone by your side, in a very different country.
I'll be surrounded by hundreds of AZK minions.
Just a friendly warning, be careful with your actions.

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Just remember one thing...
You're an awful long way from home, without anyone by your side, in a very different country.
I'll be surrounded by hundreds of AZK minions.
Just a friendly warning, be careful with your actions.
I have mineski, I also have enough money for a small fillipino army.
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RevenantLover / TargA, whatever you want to call youself.
Just remember one thing...
You're an awful long way from home, without anyone by your side, in a very different country.
I'll be surrounded by hundreds of AZK minions.
Just a friendly warning, be careful with your actions.

LOL what makes you think the "AZK minions" would help you? AZK is a well known team now with an image to uphold. If they do help you their image is tarnished and all the sponsors will ... basically not be a part of AZK anymore =)
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RevenantLover / TargA, whatever you want to call youself.
Just remember one thing...
You're an awful long way from home, without anyone by your side, in a very different country.
I'll be surrounded by hundreds of AZK minions.
Just a friendly warning, be careful with your actions.
funny thing is you'll probably still be taller than your pinoy backup, so targa will still find you and murder you in your sleep.

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RevenantLover / TargA, whatever you want to call youself.
Just remember one thing...
You're an awful long way from home, without anyone by your side, in a very different country.
I'll be surrounded by hundreds of AZK minions.
Just a friendly warning, be careful with your actions.
HelloHello/zanooku, whatever you want to call yourself.
Just remember one thing...
You're a tiny little whimpy kid who brings bodyguards to lans, because you're actually that scared of being beaten up by people who play computer games.
Targa has pretty much the rest of SEA bar your AZK friends (who tbh seem like nice people, you just do a good job of bringing down the entire rep of the clan single handedly, kudos there. I have no idea why those people are friends with you.) behind him.
Just a friendly warning, you almost got your teeth kicked in the first lan you ever attended, you're well on your way to having it actually happen with posts like this...

Don't get more wrong dude, friendly trolling back and forth is all fun and games, between friends, and when we over step boundaries and make ourselves look like dickheads (it has happened multiple times to lots of us, hell the other topic of dox getting trolled in the chat in this very thread is a good example), we apologize and make sure we're all still friends at the end of the day. The difference between you and us is that you are not our friend. We dont like you. We don't take your trolling well because we don't like you. Stop talking shit, manner up, become friendly in the community and maybe your trash talk wouldn't get you even more hated than you already are.

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You are extremely ******* lucky that TargA is not going to Manilla because he can and will benchpress the **** out of you and any hairless phillipino boys that would come at him.
Although from what I have seen the AZK boys aren't anything like you so you're only being an embarrassment to them, stop acting like a kid who didn't have his milk in the morning because it curdled up into smeg.

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My apologies for the previous comment made. There was no malice behind it, nor did I personally, or on behalf of anyone, intend to threaten or provoke a physical conference (although, that was the message I now see that was portrayed). I wish the 2 Australian's that do fly over the best of luck.

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RevenantLover / TargA, whatever you want to call youself.
Just remember one thing...
You're an awful long way from home, without anyone by your side, in a very different country.
I'll be surrounded by hundreds of AZK minions.
Just a friendly warning, be careful with your actions.

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My apologies for the previous comment made. There was no malice behind it, nor did I personally, or on behalf of anyone, intend to threaten or provoke a physical conference (although, that was the message I now see that was portrayed). I wish the 2 Australian's that do fly over the best of luck.
There was malice behind those coments and it was a physical threat so your apologies are void as you don't admit your faults.

I didn't have a clear opinion about you before this. I supposed you were racist since KJH seemed quite sincere when he accused you of making racist insults, but with no certitude.

Now that you have physically threatened Targa in such a disgusting fashion ("You're an awful long way from home", "just a friendly warning", etc.), I have a clearer opinion about you and I do understand why everyone here hate you.

From you're interview, like Nirvana, I still think you could still change. But that won't be without work from your part and a serious discussion with a reference from the community (Light for example, since he made the interview) about your attitude to others.

Until you do that, I can't see any way you could be part of this community and any reason why any identified new account from you should be awarded any new chance.

Nirvana was right about believing that people can change. But you haven't even expressed the will to change and obviously that's becoming even worse now with physical threats toward such an appreciated member of the community.

I think AZK master told once on the chat you had a last chance. For me you just have wasted it now. It's either time for you to make that work on yourself or for them to expel you.

Edit : By the while, congratulations to Rossi and Targa for their impressive tournament. Best of luck to Rossi and Yoon !

Edit 2 : Fucked up my rep to Zanooku. I wanted to give rep. ><

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Congratulations to both the guys flying over: well deserved. I'm actually really dissapointed TargA couldn't go
Who are you, and what have you done with tgun?

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it was the ******* fact you were like 'hahaha give a shit' after we explained the situation as well, not that you did it...
Well ****** say that then, don't say 'who did it when we said not to'. Because you just named me specifically and untruthfully said I did it after you said not to..

What a ****** joke.. Explaining the situation consisted of you laughing and saying it was pissing him off, without any back story other than 'I've said it on chat like 3 times now'. That was again after I'd already said it the first and only time, and I just assumed it would be taken as light heartedly as the context in which I said it, which is why I said who gives a shit because in all honesty I thought Dox would take it as a joke when I said it and didn't realise the impact it actually had.. I thought you were all just making it out to be worse than it actually was.

The fact you name dropped me is ******* retarded, try shift the blame for you being a **** all you want, I forgot how much you wanted to be liked and viewed as an important member that would never do anything wrong.
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Well ****** say that then, don't say 'who did it when we said not to'. Because you just named me specifically and untruthfully said I did it after you said not to..

What a ****** joke.. Explaining the situation consisted of you laughing and saying it was pissing him off, without any back story other than 'I've said it on chat like 3 times now'. That was again after I'd already said it the first and only time, and I just assumed it would be taken as light heartedly as the context in which I said it, which is why I said who gives a shit because in all honesty I thought Dox would take it as a joke when I said it and didn't realise the impact it actually had.. I thought you were all just making it out to be worse than it actually was.

The fact you name dropped me is ******* retarded, try shift the blame for you being a **** all you want, I forgot how much you wanted to be liked and viewed as an important member that would never do anything wrong.
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Everyone has seen the video of ziek at the LAN, everyone knows what he's like. Theres no maliciousness in what he says to me anymore. Talking to targa he was just trying to joke around, in a pretty weird way considering his stance in the community, and i think most of us are just taking him too seriously. I'm all for someone changing and being in the community.. i've had people who I thought were a certain way turn out completely different and it has always made things better.

ZanooKu didn't realise that people legitimately didn't like him for so long, and you have to remember he is young. He may have been the biggest dick to everyone, including me, but he is young. He'll always have some semblence of how he has been, but looking at his apology, who the **** would expect him to ever do that? He looks legit there to me at least. I can't speak for everyone, since i hate hostility and always want to forgive, although i come off as someone who may be more of a dick, i like to be on good terms with people, but just leave him be for a bit. He's done really bad things and said really bad shit, but just let him try once more.

I don't know, just put yourself in his shoes. If he legimitately wants to change, he's going to know that some people out there will always hate him and will always be skeptical of him, but he's still been a huge dick so i'm not expecting him to stay changed.

Also, targa did start the shit talking, but zanooku if you read this dont say shit about getting friends to help you. It's ******* gay. That's a wog stereotype and mocked for good reason - it makes you look worse. Targa told me you pmed him the same thing, so seriously, wise up and fuckin stay away from threatening people.

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Everyone has seen the video of ziek at the LAN, everyone knows what he's like. Theres no maliciousness in what he says to me anymore. Talking to targa he was just trying to joke around, in a pretty weird way considering his stance in the community, and i think most of us are just taking him too seriously. I'm all for someone changing and being in the community.. i've had people who I thought were a certain way turn out completely different and it has always made things better.

ZanooKu didn't realise that people legitimately didn't like him for so long, and you have to remember he is young. He may have been the biggest dick to everyone, including me, but he is young. He'll always have some semblence of how he has been, but looking at his apology, who the **** would expect him to ever do that? He looks legit there to me at least. I can't speak for everyone, since i hate hostility and always want to forgive, although i come off as someone who may be more of a dick, i like to be on good terms with people, but just leave him be for a bit. He's done really bad things and said really bad shit, but just let him try once more.

I don't know, just put yourself in his shoes. If he legimitately wants to change, he's going to know that some people out there will always hate him and will always be skeptical of him, but he's still been a huge dick so i'm not expecting him to stay changed.

Also, targa did start the shit talking, but zanooku if you read this dont say shit about getting friends to help you. It's ******* gay. That's a wog stereotype and mocked for good reason - it makes you look worse. Targa told me you pmed him the same thing, so seriously, wise up and fuckin stay away from threatening people.
That's awesomely good Edge what you do.

I had no opinion about him before but even if Targa begun, when I saw the message of Zanooku I was really upset because it really meant to hurt and the threat was real.

From the video and from what you and Hut says, the lad could certainly be part of this community, but simply not with the attitude he has now, that's not possible, too many people will reject him with good reason.

I suggested him to have a tutor to get back in here. I think you should be that tutor since you beleive in him. Have a talk with him, talk to his teammates, fix him rules and community work as Del have done and then, when you think he's ready to behave correctly in here, ask Nirvana that one of his accounts be de-banned.

First thing he should stop those ninja accounts, that's simply irrespectfull for Moderators and not facing the consequences of his acts.
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Can't excuse what he has done just because he is young.. I'm younger than him and there are quite a few people on here even younger than me who would never say anything that Zanooku does/has/whatever. Some people are just ******* stupid.
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Can't excuse what he has done just because he is young.. I'm younger than him and there are quite a few people on here even younger than me who would never say anything that Zanooku does/has/whatever. Some people are just ******* stupid.
You can't excuse what he has done because he is young yes, because there is so much he is done, but before you write people off as a human being like everyone likes to do - yes people are ******* stupid, but do you think people stay the same for their whole life? In Brood War i had no idea i was being as cocky and annoying as i was to some people, but i've realised it and it makes me feel terrible thinking about it. Imagine if he finally came down to earth from where he was and realised he's been 20x as bad as that? He's gonna be himself but he's going to want to be in the community.
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Can't excuse what he has done just because he is young.. I'm younger than him and there are quite a few people on here even younger than me who would never say anything that Zanooku does/has/whatever. Some people are just ******* stupid.
I've pissed a fair few people off, including a number of TA members, shit that gets said during games that is basically shit-talking but at the end of the day, apologising is the only thing you can really do.

Having spent most of my time at WCG Brisbane with Zanooku, he's a cool guy. He talks shit, he fucks around, he takes shit too far, hell, he even used to troll me.. and he turned out to be one of the nicest guys I spoke to at WCG.

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Didn't say he couldn't, wouldn't or wont change I'm just saying that being young isn't an excuse. We don't even know if he has some sort of social impairment that causes him to act in the way he does.
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Didn't say he couldn't, wouldn't or wont change I'm just saying that being young isn't an excuse. We don't even know if he has some sort of social impairment that causes him to act in the way he does.
OK, i'll change the wording then. Being young is a catalyst for why he acts how he does. Young people are different - Young people are hard ***** who drink at early ages and think the best game is Modern Warfare 3. Young people could also be socially inept and play video games all day and get high grades in school. Young people could be in between that. Everyone is different. I've changed a lot in 3 years, and the ability to change and admit faults is one of the qualities that i admire the most, so i probably am too lenient posting this shit, but when i see little things he does different, i take that as a big thing when you put in context what he has said to people. Hell, he's called me a ******* shit zerg and said to deL why am i on the Australian team, but i don't care.
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let's see how zanooku behaves from now on. it won't be hope that changes his behaviour, only evidence - although i'm with cam in wishing all the best for mr. ziek in his attempted reformation.

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