[Benji]

Welcome to sc2sea Mafia Round 3

Roles in Round 3:

Town Aligned:

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Citizen: Most people playing the game are citizens. Their job is to accuse and vote on people they think are the Mafia or Arsonist players during the Daytime. Citizens win when all Mafia and Arsonist players are killed.

Informant: The informat is a town aligned player with a specific role. Each night the Informat can PM the Gamemaster and ask about any player in the game. The Gamemaster will reply with whether the player is suspicious or not. Suspicious players are those with Unique Roles that involve killing players. They are Mafia, Arsonist, Professional and Vigilante. The informat no longer knows who the Vigilante is, and must work independantly to assist the town however they can and still avoid being killed. The informat wins when all Mafia and Arsonist players are killed.

Vigilante: The Vigilante is a town aligned player that has the ability to kill 2 players per game. The Vigilante is town aligned and thus wins by killing all the Mafia players and Arsonist players. The Vigilante does not know the Informat anymore. The Vigilante is also no longer revealed upon killing a Citizen or Innocent role.

Doctor: The doctor is a vital role to the town and has the ability to protect any player of their choosing at Night from Mafia, Vigilante and Professional attacks. The doctor cannot block Arsonist attacks. The doctor cannot protect himself/herself. The doctor CAN protect Mafia and Arsonist players unknowingly. The doctor wins when all Mafia and Arsonist players are killed.

Mafia Aligned:

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Mafia: The Mafia players job is to kill off the Arsonist and all the Town Aligned players. During the daytime they take part in the discussion on who to kill along with all the other players, however during the nighttime they get their own kill, and they can kill off any member they wish. The Mafia know the members of their own family.

Neutral Aligned Roles:

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Lovers: Lovers are 2 players which have unique win conditions. Lovers can only win if they are the only 2 members left in the game. Once one lover is killed, the other is killed instantly as well. Lovers can also have other roles, such as Informat, Vigilante or even Mafia, or they could simply be Citizens (This is explained in the PM sent when said role is told to the player). Lovers may also communicate as much as they want with each other. Lovers also know the other players role, and can disclose to each other all information they know, for example if one member is part of a mafia family, he/she may tell the other player who the other members of the family are.

Joker: The Jokers role is to be killed by the Citizen vote. If the Joker is killed by the Citizen vote, he wins the game (the game continues and further winners are decided like the normal outcome). If the Joker is killed by anything other than a Citizen vote, he loses. If he is not killed, he loses. If the Joker is killed by a citizen vote, a random player that voted for him is also killed (random number generater used). Unlike other tiebreakers, Mafia and Citizens have equal chance of being killed in this manner. The joker does not need to die for the Mafia or the Citizens to win.

Professional: The Professional works similar to the Vigilante. The Professional has 2 kills per game to be used at any time, however unlike the Vigilante he is not Town Aligned or Mafia Aligned. The Professional wins the game by killing those he see's as not benefiting society which are the Informat, Vigilante and Joker roles. If the Professional kills any one of these 3 players with his 2 kills, he wins the game (the game continues for a Mafia or Town win also and the professional must continue to play the game as normal, if he dies due to inactivity his win is not counted). If the Professional dies after this, he still wins the game. He can also use remaining kills in any way he wishes, and can vote to assist town or Mafia in Day votes (however he decides). If the Professional uses both kills and does not kill one of his 3 targets, he is instantly killed and loses the game. If all of his targets are killed by other means (Day Lynches, Mafia hits etc), he becomes a Survivor (outlined below). The Professional is emotionless and as a result is not considered as one of the random deaths caused by the Lynching of a Joker.

Survivor: The Survivor is a Neutral aligned role which is very simple. Live until the end of the game. If the survivor is alive, he wins the game no matter who actually won. The Survivor will not be killed by the first nighttime attack that happens on him, but is killed by the second. This includes Arson, Mafia, Vigilante and Professional kills. The survivor is a low priority for Town, Mafia and Neutral players to kill or remove from the game as they are not a threat to each role winning the game and have no offensive capability, so it can sometimes be a good idea to announce your role publically. Then again it could also be a good role to pretend to be...
Arsonist: The Arsonist is a Neutral aligned role. The Arsonist at night can send the Gamemaster a message letting him know who he wants to douse in fuel. That player is now 'Doused' (This information is not revealed to anyone) and the Arsonist can each night choose a different player to douse. The arsonist can also choose (instead of dousing a target) to light all doused targets, killing them all in the one night phase. The Arsonist wins once all other players are killed. The Arsonist wins ALL tiebreaker situations (even over Mafia) and as a result, if a Day Phase results in the Arsonist and any other player being the only 2 players left, the Arsonist wins (Except if his opponant is a Survivor in which they both win).

How the game is played:

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1. Once 18 players have signed up, players have an additional 24 hours to register before the game will begin. I will private message (PM) players with special roles the details of their roles. I will post which roles are active in the game in the thread then I will then post in this thread that the game has begun. If you do not receive a Private Message, you are a Citizen

2. The game starts in the Daytime, with the Citizens voting on who they think the Mafia is, and the player with the most votes will get killed and removed from the game. Remember the Mafia can (and do) vote as citizens so keep an eye on who votes for who to try and figure out who is part of the Mafia.

3. After the Daytime (Which lasts for 48 hours or until everyone has voted), it will be the Nighttime. Each Mafia family will PM me their Kill for the round, and the Informant will PM me asking about a specific player. This phase lasts for 24 hours, if I do not receive a message from any Mafia family or the Informant, they will miss their opportunity for the turn.

4. After the Nighttime, the Mafia kills will be revealed and it will become Daytime again, with the Citizen Vote. The cycle repeats until one team has won.


How to win?

Citizens, Informants and Vigilantes win by killing all 3 Mafia players and the Arsonist. Dead citizens do not win.
Mafia win by killing all of the citizens and the Arsonist. Dead Mafia do not win.
Neutral roles win with their unique winning conditions. See roles above for details.

Rules:

1. The game is restricted to 18 players on a first come, first serve basis. Once signups begin, post in the thread 'I wish to join the next game'

2. If you are killed, you are no longer a part of the game and cannot post in this thread. Posting in this thread will result in your post being deleted. If you continue to post you may be banned.

3. If you miss 2 Citizen votes in a row, you will be killed and will miss out on the next 2 games. Checking the forums every day or 2 isn't that big of a deal. If you will be unable to participate in the game midway through, message me and I will kill you off, however you will not receive a 2 game ban in this situation.

4. The only people who are allowed to talk about the game in PMs are the members of the Mafia families. The Informant is allowed to send the Vigilante PMs, but only containing the name of Mafia members and what family they are in, no other talk about the game should be happening in these PMs. The only place anyone else (dead or alive) should be talking about the game is in the game thread. Not in emails, IMs, PMs, at other message boards, but here in the game thread. You cannot link images or quotes from outside of this game thread that relates to the game.


Prizes:

The prize for winning a game of Mafia is a forum Achievement (and fun!)

Not all the roles will be used in the game, but the roles will be announced at the start of the game.

I will accept the first 18 signups in this thread. Once 18 has been reached, a further 24 hours will pass where I will accept additional signups up to a maximum of 28. The game will begin after those 24 hours have passed.

Changes to this round:

Vigilante and Informat roles have been changed, read up on them.
There will be only 1 Mafia Family.
New roles include the Doctor, Professional, Survivor and Arsonist.

Quick Comments

	LennX:	Thanks for running this mafia game (^-^)
	nirvAnA:

[nard]

/in

First in too

[crAzerk]

Haven't even read anything you wrote but SIGNING UP NOW!

EDIT: wow 128937 new roles! Sooo sick. Gonna be disappointing to be out in the earlier rounds though. Wish there was a way to include the dead players :/

Some queries:

Mafia win by killing all of the citizens and the other family.

I suppose you meant just killing all citizens? Since there's only one family this game.

The Professional/Survivor role seems to have an easy strategy. If I'm not misunderstanding anything, it takes three hits to kill off this player - 1 to change him into a Survivor, and 2 to kill him off.
Unless this line "The Survivor will not be killed by the first nighttime attack that happens on him" actually refered to when he was as Professional.

Let's assume you actually did mean that. Then once he is a Survivor, he just declares he will throw his vote every round (vote for random person) and do that, and basically there is zero purpose in voting him out.
I mean yes, there is the risk that he may flip suddenly for fun and vote citizen/mafia out, but a citizen/mafia hit would be more beneficial since they are DEFINITELY on the opposing side.


And this question is for the Mafia because I've never been Mafia before - how exactly do you coordinate your attacks? IM discussion? PM?
Was just thinking about this because now that all Mafia is on the same family and there are 5, it'll be even harder to reach a consensus.

[pikk0n]

Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

I want in.

[LennX]

I will be in as usual

[nard]

Originally Posted by LennX

I will be in as usual

I'm voting you out round1! Ur too scary a player to leave alive

[ToRDeathsFang]

I want in in in in in in in in in in in in................................................ .....................in

[pikk0n]

Deaths, what the heck is that? What is the new avatar of yours? How did you get a DT??!!!

[Aean(:]

Originally Posted by pikk0n

Deaths, what the heck is that? What is the new avatar of yours? How did you get a DT??!!!

300 posts avatar

[ToRDeathsFang]

Pure awesomeness and 300 posts but srsly the DT looks like a Stalker head, Zealot legs and DT weapon. Im a hybrid

[LennX]

If the Joker is killed by the Mafia or Vigilante, he loses.

Just change it to "If the Joker is killed in any way but a citizen lynch, he loses."

Originally Posted by nard

I'm voting you out round1! Ur too scary a player to leave alive

But I didn't win both games 1 or 2. Don't make me a pokerface.

[ToRDeathsFang]

Originally Posted by LennX

Just change it to "If the Joker is killed in the night, he loses."



But I didn't win both games 1 or 2. Don't make me a pokerface.

Doesnt work because the Vigi can kill during the day

[LennX]

Originally Posted by DeathsFang

Doesnt work because the Vigi can kill during the day

Okay changed the wording a little.

[pikk0n]

Deaths, where did you get that from? From what I can see, it only says that the vigi can kill 2 people and killing during the day makes no sense. The whole point of killing at night in this game is to hide your identity. To kill someone during the day exposes yourself. I don't think it's possible for a vigi to kill during the day not only from this logic but also from what Benji wrote. Yes, I read the whole darn thing. LOL!

[crAzerk]

Reposting because I think my edit to my first post may have been missed:

Some queries:

Quote:
Mafia win by killing all of the citizens and the other family.

I suppose you meant just killing all citizens? Since there's only one family this game.

The Professional/Survivor role seems to have an easy strategy. If I'm not misunderstanding anything, it takes three hits to kill off this player - 1 to change him into a Survivor, and 2 to kill him off.
Unless this line "The Survivor will not be killed by the first nighttime attack that happens on him" actually refered to when he was as Professional.

Let's assume you actually did mean that. Then once he is a Survivor, he just declares he will throw his vote every round (vote for random person) and do that, and basically there is zero purpose in voting him out.
I mean yes, there is the risk that he may flip suddenly for fun and vote citizen/mafia out, but a citizen/mafia hit would be more beneficial since they are DEFINITELY on the opposing side.


And this question is for the Mafia because I've never been Mafia before - how exactly do you coordinate your attacks? IM discussion? PM?
Was just thinking about this because now that all Mafia is on the same family and there are 5, it'll be even harder to reach a consensus.

[Benji]

Professional dies in 1 hit. If he turns into a Survivor because all his targets are killed, he survives 1 nighttime hit, and dies on the second. He dies to 1 daytime kill.

edit: Survivor can also say in the thread 'I am the survivor, don't kill me' etc, and both Citizens and Mafia shouldn't be interested in killing them as they are zero threat.

Also, there will only be 3 or so Mafia in this game. The Arsonist balances out the 'killer' team of the game.

[cruxis]

Signing up.

[ToRskrawL]

Im up for it! Xd

[AvPoker]

Lets do it.
Sign me up

[crAzerk]

Ok let me list it out so it's clearer for me:
Professional wins by:
1) Killing a Citizen/Informant/Joker with his 2 kills.
(Does this mean killing 2 out of 3, or as long as one of his kills hits a C/I/J he wins?)
Once he wins, would it be a good idea to just eliminate him from the game as well? Or did you want the dynamic of having one neutral player in the game who can flip either way at any time since it doesn't matter to him after he wins.

Professional dies by:
1) Getting killed by lynch/Mafia
2) Killing 2 non-Citizen/Informant/Vigilantes
3) All Informant/Citizens/Vigilantes are killed
In this 3rd situation, he becomes a survivor. Means whenever a Survivor is active, there's only Arsonist, Joker and Mafia left.

Did I get it right?

[Benji]

Originally Posted by crAzerk

Ok let me list it out so it's clearer for me:
Professional wins by:
1) Killing a Citizen/Informant/Joker with his 2 kills.
(Does this mean killing 2 out of 3, or as long as one of his kills hits a C/I/J he wins?)
Once he wins, would it be a good idea to just eliminate him from the game as well? Or did you want the dynamic of having one neutral player in the game who can flip either way at any time since it doesn't matter to him after he wins.

I like having the neutral player, the guy that has already won, and thus can sit in a high horse and effect the game however he chooses, or mindlessly vote.

Professional dies by:
1) Getting killed by lynch/Mafia
2) Killing 2 non-Citizen/Informant/Vigilantes
3) All Informant/Citizens/Vigilantes are killed
In this 3rd situation, he becomes a survivor. Means whenever a Survivor is active, there's only Arsonist, Joker and Mafia left.

He only needs to get 1 kill to win (on any of the Informat/Joker/Vigilante)

as per point 3, there can be Citizens alive still, its only once the Joker/Vigilante and Informat are dead, meaning there could still be 8 Citizens, 3 Mafia and an Arsonist left in the game (random numbers i pulled).

Professional is the only role that I didn't copy from other games I have played, so im kind of adding my own twist to the game I hope it works out, and it should be interesting.

[EveRorschach]

Sign me up!

[HDPhoenix]

I'm in =) Very fun and entertaining game, abeitly over discussed at the front end =P

[Next_rim]

I'm in

10char

[BaKaiNu]

I'm in again.

[crAzerk]

Professional is the only role that I didn't copy from other games I have played, so im kind of adding my own twist to the game I hope it works out, and it should be interesting

Haha indeed, already sounds very interesting

The Arsonist sounds mighty imba though. Of course, he has to avoid random lynch and Mafia kills.

Hope I get a character role this time, Citizen is meh

[Benji]

Originally Posted by crAzerk

Haha indeed, already sounds very interesting

The Arsonist sounds mighty imba though. Of course, he has to avoid random lynch and Mafia kills.

Hope I get a character role this time, Citizen is meh

Arsonist can either play risky and risk doing zero damage, or can get a single kill every 2 nighttimes, will be interesting to see how its played.

[cruxis]

Originally Posted by Benji

Arsonist can either play risky and risk doing zero damage, or can get a single kill every 2 nighttimes, will be interesting to see how its played.

Can't he also just get like 5 kills on night 7?

[jackwong]

Sign me in! X D

[iM tgun]

I'm in!!!!!!!!!

[Paroxysm]

Sign me up if there is a spare spot

[Benji]

1. nard
2. craZerk
3. pikk0n
4. LennX
5. DeathsFang
6. cruxis
7. Skrawl
8. pokerface
9. Rorschach
10. HDPhoenix
11. Next_rim
12. BakaInu
13. jackwong
14. tgun
15. Paroxysm
16.
17.
18.
19.
20.
21.
22.
23.
24.
25.
26.
27.
28.

[Zanderax]

I"m in. Hooray for Benji and his awesomeness!

[Satu]

Sign me up. ^_^

[mustapusta]

signing up, hope im not too late

[Dandelion]

My god no firefighter?
haha can I join just to watch the arsonist own us all?

[SONATA]

i am interested! SONATA

[Meatex]

I'll join this one

[Benji]

1. nard
2. craZerk
3. pikk0n
4. LennX
5. DeathsFang
6. cruxis
7. Skrawl
8. pokerface
9. Rorschach
10. HDPhoenix
11. Next_rim
12. BakaInu
13. jackwong
14. tgun
15. Paroxysm
16. Zanderax
17. Zergtastic
18. mustapusta
19. Dandelion
20. SONATA
21. Meatex
22.
23.
24.
25.
26.
27.
28.

Signups close in 24 hours.

[Benji]

Can't he also just get like 5 kills on night 7?

6 Actually. Hes a character that can drastically change the game in a single nighttime

My god no firefighter?
haha can I join just to watch the arsonist own us all?

Ive been playing with the arsonist in online Mafia games and i've never seen the Firefighter role even suggested, let alone used. The arsonist even feels a little weak sometimes.

[Next_rim]

Just letting yall know in advance, that I will be absent till Sunday night, going on a hike. Technically, day 1 lasts 48 hours, so if you start the game on Saturday, I should be able to make it for the vote Sunday night. Just didn't expect people to sign up so fast, last time we waited for like a week to get 17 people.

I'll understand if you don't want to wait and lynch me day 1, or just don't include me for inactivity from start.

[KimHan]

Sign me up! ^^

[Benji]

Thats fine, you'll be on in time for day1 vote.

Just did a quick bit of math figuring out what fits in a 28 person game, and ive got to say, I REALLY hope it gets to 28 players... There's a lot of roles!

Get people to sign up, I'm kinda hoping to get 28 by tonight as I don't want to have to do this tomorrow before WCG. Takes some time sending 14 PM's )

Quick Comments

EveRorschach:

nice effort

[ToRDeathsFang]

Make me a lover again and i'll hunt you down and roast you alive....

[nard]

*cough*deathsfang*cough*
*cough*likes it*cough*
*cough*intheass*cough*

Quick Comments

	Satu:	you deserve minus rep points AND a warning ^_^
	Zanderax:	Not cool dude, deathsfang rocks
	Aean(::	dont touch my lover TROLOLOLOL

[cruxis]

Terrible cough you got there. Should probably go to a doctor and get it checked out.

[ToRDeathsFang]

Good to know you have the humor of a 5 year old

[EveRorschach]

Looks like we've got our random person to lynch day 1 ^___^

[nard]

/out
10chars

[nard]

Oh and deathsfang. It wasn't personal. Sorry if u were offended.

[ToRDeathsFang]

Originally Posted by nard

Oh and deathsfang. It wasn't personal. Sorry if u were offended.

I know you don't but that's a low blow... really low.....

[nard]

Originally Posted by DeathsFang

I know you don't but that's a low blow... really low.....

how was i to know u were 14 years old

[Benji]

I said i'd start it in 24 hours, well I don't have time to do it before i leave for WCG, so the game will start either tonight or tomorrow. Sorry!

[cruxis]

Bit more time for signups then.

[crAzerk]

Ok, enough with this little spat please. Further flames will involve mods stepping in with more infractions etc.
Can't wait for the game to start!!! Exciting

[nard]

hmm?
i wasnt flaming... i just didnt know he was high in sensitivity. if i knew i wouldnt have coughed so badly

[FvRScrewby]

Ill sign up!

[Benji]

PM's have been sent, if you have not recieved a PM, you are a Citizen.

Roles in this game:

5 Mafia (1 Family)
Arsonist
1 Professional
1 Joker
1 Survivor
2 Vigilante
1 Informat
1 Doctor
9 Citizens

1. nard
2. craZerk
3. pikk0n
4. LennX
5. DeathsFang
6. cruxis
7. Skrawl
8. pokerface
9. Rorschach
10. HDPhoenix
11. Next_rim
12. BakaInu
13. jackwong
14. tgun
15. Paroxysm
16. Zanderax
17. Zergtastic
18. mustapusta
19. Dandelion
20. SONATA
21. Meatex
22. Screwby

It is now Daytime, please submit your votes Daytime votes. Daytime will end in 48 hours or once everyone has voted.

[cruxis]

Sticking with my tradition of voting Pokerface first every game until he is Mafia.

vote pokerface

[AvPoker]

Originally Posted by cruxis

Sticking with my tradition of voting Pokerface first every game until he is Mafia.

vote pokerface

Please get rid of that childish curse.

Vote for nard.

[nard]

jackwong 10c

[Satu]

nard is still in this game, and didn't think he'd be random lynched first, for what he said?

Well this is easy! Im voting nard

[iM tgun]

We're seriously just random lynching day1?

Well, nard.

[Satu]

Originally Posted by tgun

We're seriously just random lynching day1?

Well, nard.

How else do you play this game? xD

[ToRDeathsFang]

vote Meatex

[GGnoRe]

oh no! did i miss the sign ups for round 3? noooooooo

[ToRDeathsFang]

You can smurf for me

[Zanderax]

Nard because he insulted DeathsFang

Quick Comments

nard:

grow up

[ToRDeathsFang]

Leave it alone Zand

Quick Comments

nard:

For being grown up enough to move on

[Meatex]

going to vote for deathfangs
for crying about obvious humour :P

[LennX]

votes for meatex cos he has won mafia before. :P

[ToRDeathsFang]

who's deathfangs? i don't know a deathfangs -trollface-

[Benji]

1. nard - Voted for jackwong
2. craZerk
3. pikk0n
4. LennX - Voted for Meatex
5. DeathsFang - Voted for Meatex
6. cruxis - Voted for Pokerface
7. Skrawl
8. pokerface - Voted for nard
9. Rorschach
10. HDPhoenix
11. Next_rim
12. BakaInu
13. jackwong
14. tgun - Voted for nard
15. Paroxysm
16. Zanderax
17. Zergtastic - Voted for nard
18. mustapusta
19. Dandelion
20. SONATA
21. Meatex - Voted for Deathsfang
22. Screwby

3 Votes for nard
2 Votes for Meatex
1 Vote for Deathsfang
1 Vote for pokerface
1 Vote for jackwong

[Paroxysm]

following the trend, vote nard

[Dandelion]

... VOTE Nard...
move along nothing to see here

[FvRScrewby]

I guess I vote for nard also

[Benji]

***I NEED EVERYONE THAT GOT A ROLE TO PM ME ASAP.***

Basically I keep a notepad document with everyone's roles so I obviously know who is who, unfortunately my computer crashed after sending the PM's, but before I saved the document (fail). If you don't PM me, I won't have a record of what you are.

[LennX]

Originally Posted by Benji

***I NEED EVERYONE THAT GOT A ROLE TO PM ME ASAP.***

Basically I keep a notepad document with everyone's roles so I obviously know who is who, unfortunately my computer crashed after sending the PM's, but before I saved the document (fail). If you don't PM me, I won't have a record of what you are.

Bump.
Since mafia seems dead at the moment :P

[crAzerk]

Sticking to my tradition of random voting the first round at least:



I vote Paroxysm

[BaKaiNu]

Nard. I follow the crowd!

[jackwong]

Voted for nard because he simply lynch people without reason

[EveRorschach]

I don't think my vote counts either way, but voting Nard.

[pikk0n]

What do we have here??? Mmmm.... Is there still a point in voting? The random lynchers have spoken and I don't see how nard can survive today... The next most famous dude is Meatex with a grand total of 2 votes compared to nard's zillions..... -_-

I guess I'll be voting for nard (fingers crossed that turns out bolded..... first time doing it).

EDIT: YES! Bolded!

[ToRskrawL]

Nard, I CHOOSE YOU!

[cruxis]

Wow, you guys realise we still have like 40 hours to try and work out who is Mafia. Obviously 2 or 3 of them have voted for Nard, so let's start pounding on some of those quick ones. My suspicions are instantly on Dandelion, Screwby and Bakainu. Simple votes just to get the lynch over nice and quick.

[cruxis]

And, in thinking of the quick votes, I'm going to unvote

[Next_rim]

I vote meatex. Just so I don't vote nard.

[Benji]

1. nard - Voted for jackwong
2. craZerk - Voted for Paroxysm
3. pikk0n - Voted for nard
4. LennX - Voted for Meatex
5. DeathsFang - Voted for Meatex
6. cruxis - Voted for pokerface
7. Skrawl - Voted for nard
8. pokerface - Voted for nard
9. Rorschach - Voted for nard
10. HDPhoenix
11. Next_rim - Voted for Meatex
12. BakaInu - Voted for nard
13. jackwong - Voted for nard
14. tgun - Voted for nard
15. Paroxysm - Voted for nard
16. Zanderax
17. Zergtastic - Voted for nard
18. mustapusta
19. Dandelion - Voted for nard
20. SONATA
21. Meatex - Voted for Deathsfang
22. Screwby - Voted for nard

10 Votes for nard
3 Votes for Meatex
1 Vote for Deathsfang
1 Vote for Paroxysm
1 Vote for jackwong
1 Vote for pokerface

[cruxis]

Originally Posted by Benji

1. nard - Voted for jackwong
2. craZerk - Voted for Paroxysm
3. pikk0n - Voted for nard
4. LennX - Voted for Meatex
5. DeathsFang - Voted for Meatex
6. cruxis - Voted for Meatex
7. Skrawl - Voted for nard
8. pokerface - Voted for nard
9. Rorschach - Voted for nard
10. HDPhoenix
11. Next_rim
12. BakaInu - Voted for nard
13. jackwong - Voted for nard
14. tgun - Voted for nard
15. Paroxysm - Voted for nard
16. Zanderax
17. Zergtastic - Voted for nard
18. mustapusta
19. Dandelion - Voted for nard
20. SONATA
21. Meatex - Voted for Deathsfang
22. Screwby - Voted for nard

10 Votes for nard
3 Votes for Meatex
1 Vote for Deathsfang
1 Vote for Paroxysm
1 Vote for jackwong

I removed my vote, not voted for Meat.

people fail to realise that we have 48 hours in a day phase, and the longer it lasts, the more posts there are, and therefore, more to discuss. So I'll keep my vote clear till last couple of hours.

[SONATA]

i vote for nard then.

[mustapusta]

nard then. thank god i arrived just in time again.

[iM tgun]

Cruxis: Chatter, whilst the most powerful tool of the town, will only exist if everyone is actually talking.

[Benji]

cruxis, don't intentially slow down the game. If you're basing the game about peoples posts, you're reading way too much into this game that you completely miss the strategy behind it.

[HDPhoenix]

basically cruxis is taking this game waaaay too seriously, even before the first kill is made. Well, simple choice, since my vote doesn't really matter at this junction

Cruxis

[Next_rim]

Change vote to Cruxis

Don't slow down the game. Or you get hated and killed. Nuff said

[cruxis]

Speed kills.

Rushing for a vote is only going to ensure the Mafia win. But w/e. Vote Pokerface

[ToRDeathsFang]

Dude it's the first day calm down and take a random vote! We can only start analyzing posts once the first mafia dies. Keep it running fast until then

[LennX]

I hope deaths you will calm down when you get killed early. Unlike the last game haha

[pikk0n]

What would have made this game more similar to the real mafia is if nard will defend himself. -_- He hasn't posted since his own random lynch. I'm guessing the 48 hour time frame is for since random lynching happens rather quickly?

[ToRDeathsFang]

Well how's he supposed to prove he's not mafia? If he's something important he could say that and force everyone to switch.

[iM tgun]

He actually tried to quit pre-game, I think

[pikk0n]

Well, deaths. he can convince people to switch the random lynch to someone else. Round 2 had a more even spread in people being lynched. -_-

But what tgun said about him trying to quit pre-game... Maybe he doesn't want to play in this mafia round.

[iM tgun]

Most votes have been submitted and all that needed to be said has been said v_V

[LennX]

But I have yet to say to lynch tgun on the 2nd day assuming both of us survives the night.

[iM tgun]

That can be said after the night phase, duh :P

[pikk0n]

I'd assume that Benji is busy with his own real life. Let's be patient guys.

EDIT: I want the IMMORTAL avatar!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ToRDeathsFang]

Originally Posted by pikk0n

I'd assume that Benji is busy with his own real life. Let's be patient guys.

EDIT: I want the IMMORTAL avatar!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your halfway there

[Benji]

Originally Posted by pikk0n

I'd assume that Benji is busy with his own real life. Let's be patient guys.

EDIT: I want the IMMORTAL avatar!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Correct, social life tonight, will get on the votes once i've sated my hunger.

[Benji]

Nard has been killed by the Citizens. He was a Citizen.

1. nard - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
3. pikk0n - Voted for nard
4. LennX - Voted for Meatex
5. DeathsFang - Voted for Meatex
6. cruxis - Voted for pokerface
7. Skrawl - Voted for nard
8. pokerface - Voted for nard
9. Rorschach - Voted for nard
10. HDPhoenix - Voted for cruxis
11. Next_rim - Voted for cruxis
12. BakaInu - Voted for nard
13. jackwong - Voted for nard
14. tgun - Voted for nard
15. Paroxysm - Voted for nard
16. Zanderax - Voted for nard
17. Zergtastic - Voted for nard
18. mustapusta - Voted for nard
19. Dandelion - Voted for nard
20. SONATA - Voted for nard
21. Meatex - Voted for Deathsfang
22. Screwby - Voted for nard

It is now Nighttime, all roles with a nighttime ability have 24 hours to submit it. (Mafia, Arsonist, Informat, Doctor)

On a side note, I am 95% sure I have a correct role list, there are 2 roles which I am not sure on however, if you haven't PM'd me and aren't in the Mafia (One PM gave me all 5 names ) Please do so asap!

[Next_rim]

One PM gave me all 5 names

wtf is that supposed to mean? some1 knows all mafia? O_o

[LennX]

@ next_rim - more like 1 mafia is a kind soul and PM benji all his fellow partner in crimes names.


Now since its night time, what should we people do to uhmm not get killed/burnt but a doctor attention?

[Benji]

Originally Posted by LennX

@ next_rim - more like 1 mafia is a kind soul and PM benji all his fellow partner in crimes names.

This. Mafia obviously know their family members as they need to discuss kills.

[Benji]

1. nard - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
2. craZerk
3. pikk0n
4. LennX
5. DeathsFang
6. cruxis
7. Skrawl
8. pokerface
9. Rorschach
10. HDPhoenix
11. Next_rim
12. BakaInu
13. jackwong
14. tgun
15. Paroxysm
16. Zanderax
17. Zergtastic
18. mustapusta
19. Dandelion
20. SONATA
21. Meatex
22. Screwby

It is now Daytime. Players have 48 hours to submit their daytime votes.

[Benji]

To stop people messaging me:

Doctor: The doctor is a vital role to the town and has the ability to protect any player of their choosing at Night from Mafia, Vigilante and Professional attacks. The doctor cannot block Arsonist attacks. The doctor cannot protect himself/herself. The doctor CAN protect Mafia and Arsonist players unknowingly. The doctor wins when all Mafia and Arsonist players are killed.

Survivor: The Survivor is a Neutral aligned role which is very simple. Live until the end of the game. If the survivor is alive, he wins the game no matter who actually won. The Survivor will not be killed by the first nighttime attack that happens on him, but is killed by the second. This includes Arson, Mafia, Vigilante and Professional kills. The survivor is a low priority for Town, Mafia and Neutral players to kill or remove from the game as they are not a threat to each role winning the game and have no offensive capability, so it can sometimes be a good idea to announce your role publically. Then again it could also be a good role to pretend to be...

[jackwong]

I'll randomly lynch Zergtastic

[cruxis]

So either the Mafia failed to submit a kill (Highly unlikely), or the Doctor managed to save the right person.

Good work Doc. Now we can start analysing the votes towards Nard.

[AvPoker]

Voting Zergtastic

[ToRDeathsFang]

I'll randomly lynch Next_rim because i decided to steal Crazerk's idea of the random number generator

[LennX]

I will randomly lynch DeathsFang since he was the previous poster. :P

[Next_rim]

I will randomly lynch Deathsfang, because he is randomly lynching me.

[Paroxysm]

I'll randomly lynch crazerk because he is a pro writer and my hero (whut?)

[crAzerk]

Now we can start analysing the votes towards Nard.

I think most people voted nard because of what he said pre-game, so...

Have nothing much to go on, gonna go back to my RNG:


I vote jackwong

[pikk0n]

LOL! I have a feeling that most of these stuff are written randomly seeing that the votes aren't bolded yet..... I shall use the random number generator and pick............................... me??? .........

Apparently I'm meant to lynch pikk0n...... -.- I shall post my lynch later.... -.-

[BaKaiNu]

Zergtastic. Because his so lynchilicious.

[Zanderax]

BakaInu because he is the last person to vote and I can't be bothered remembering any other names.

[iM tgun]

I want to lynch all you dickheads that are lynching randomly. v_v

Edit:: However, I'll vote to lynch pokerface.

[Next_rim]

So either the Mafia failed to submit a kill (Highly unlikely), or the Doctor managed to save the right person.

Or mafia possibly hit the survivor.

[mustapusta]

voting Crazerk because i hate his number generator from round 2.

[Benji]

1. nard - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
2. craZerk - Voted for jackwong
3. pikk0n
4. LennX - Voted for Deathsfang
5. DeathsFang - Voted for Next_rim
6. cruxis
7. Skrawl
8. pokerface - Voted for Zergtastic
9. Rorschach
10. HDPhoenix
11. Next_rim - Voted for Deathsfang
12. BakaInu - Voted for Zergtastic
13. jackwong - Voted for Zergtastic
14. tgun - Voted for pokerface
15. Paroxysm - Voted for Crazerk
16. Zanderax - Voted for Bakainu
17. Zergtastic
18. mustapusta - Voted for Crazerk
19. Dandelion
20. SONATA
21. Meatex
22. Screwby

3 Votes for Zergtastic
2 Votes for Deathsfang
2 Votes for Crazerk
1 Vote for Bakainu
1 Vote for pokerface
1 Vote for Next_rim
1 Vote for jackwong

[EveRorschach]

Vote to lynch Zergtastic to avoid a draw in the results. (sorry mate)

[SONATA]

i will lynch zergtastic then.

[Satu]

I vote jackwong

There is no reason for me to vote him unless Im a citizen.

So, if you're voting me, you have a better chance of being mafia. In which case, people will be looking at you guys next for voting me. Insurance policy.

[HDPhoenix]

With nothing really to go by, I rather opt out of the lynch wagon and weight in the options when the first mafia takes a hit.

So I'll vote someone random, I vote Tgun cause he's awesome

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by HDPhoenix

With nothing really to go by, I rather opt out of the lynch wagon and weight in the options when the first mafia takes a hit.

So I'll vote someone random, I vote Tgun cause he's awesome

Whilst I am indeed awesome, voting for me is not!

[ToRskrawL]

It is indeed awesome to vote for you tgun. that is why I WILL!

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by Skrawl

It is indeed awesome to vote for you tgun. that is why I WILL!

Skrawl your ass on out of here.

[ToRDeathsFang]

And to piss off tgun i change my vote to tgun

[Satu]

I change my vote to tgun as well

[HDPhoenix]

Just when I wanted off the bandwagon, it jumps on me... So in the same spirit, I change my vote to SONATA cause he's been almost AFK mainly in past games

[FvRScrewby]

Randomly go for Deathsfang

[Benji]

Jesus...

This is going to be fun to update

[ToRDeathsFang]

Originally Posted by Benji

Jesus...

This is going to be fun to update

Thanks for taking one for the team

[cruxis]

Ok, just did some vote analysis.

The following people voted for Nard Day 1:
TGun
Pokerface
Zanderax
Paroxysm
Dandelion
Screwby
Bakainu
Jackwong
Rorschach
Pikkon
Skrawl
Sonata

Now, the following people voted for Zergtastic on Day 2:
Jackwong
Pokerface
Bakainu
Rorschach
Sonata

Now, comparing the lists results,the following players voted for both Nard and Zerg:
Jackwong
Pokerface
Bakainu
Rorschach
Sonata

Now, I don't think all of the mafia voted for Nard day 1, and it's unlikely they have all voted for Zerg as well. I believe that there's a good chance at least one of these players, possibly two, are Mafia.

Now, thinking back to game 2, Bakainu and Sonata were never very active, and usually voted in the same manner that they did here. And they were both citizens. I can't really remember the posting behaviour of the other players, which tends to make me think they were also not very active.

So, after all that, and considering everyone just seems to be random voting anyway, I will vote Pokerface, as he wasn't Mafia game 1 or 2, so his chances are greatly higher.

[iM tgun]

Cruxis: I hope everyone follows your lead and uses logic to vote ~_~'

[LennX]

lol @ benji reaction.

And tgun you just wanna live longer :P

[iM tgun]

LennX: Because I actually know how to play and analyse posts. It's better to use logic than a RNG

[LennX]

Originally Posted by tgun

Because I actually know how to play and analyse posts. It's better to use logic than a RNG

Point taken.

[pikk0n]

Interesting point, Cruxis but there are 5 mafias and 4 people with multiple votes (Zergtastic, tgun, Deaths and Crazerk) . So following your logic, I can safely say that there are at least 1 mafia who voted for each of these people and 2 people voted for one person...

Sorry, not trying to make fun of you but I found your argument about one or two mafia voting for Zerg a little hmm..... Again, the mafia's kill was somehow stopped last night. The doctor would know who the mafia tried to kill if the mafia missed the survivor so the doctor can be 50% sure that the person he saved isn't the mafia. It'll be foolish of the doctor to come out stating whom he saved so early in the game because the mafia will go after him for sure. That's the only conclusion we can make out of the 2 days so far. Today's still rather random in terms of lynching. I think you're reading too much into the early votes still, cruxis. Having said that, it's good to see tgun defending himself unlike nard who allowed himself to die.....

As for my vote, I think I'll try to force a tie because that'll help us in finding out who the mafia is the same way the mafia was revealed last round so my vote goes to Zergtastic.

I hate your random generator so much, crazerk... It freaking chose ME! -.-

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by pikk0n

Interesting point, Cruxis but there are 5 mafias and 4 people with multiple votes (Zergtastic, tgun, Deaths and Crazerk) . So following your logic, I can safely say that there are at least 1 mafia who voted for each of these people and 2 people voted for one person...

Sorry, not trying to make fun of you but I found your argument about one or two mafia voting for Zerg a little hmm..... Again, the mafia's kill was somehow stopped last night. The doctor would know who the mafia tried to kill if the mafia missed the survivor so the doctor can be 50% sure that the person he saved isn't the mafia. It'll be foolish of the doctor to come out stating whom he saved so early in the game because the mafia will go after him for sure. That's the only conclusion we can make out of the 2 days so far. Today's still rather random in terms of lynching. I think you're reading too much into the early votes still, cruxis. Having said that, it's good to see tgun defending himself unlike nard who allowed himself to die.....

As for my vote, I think I'll try to force a tie because that'll help us in finding out who the mafia is the same way the mafia was revealed last round so my vote goes to Zergtastic.

I hate your random generator so much, crazerk... It freaking chose ME! -.-

Actually, Doctor outing wouldn't be the worst thing to happen right about now if he saved whoever didn't die.

[pikk0n]

Originally Posted by tgun

Actually, Doctor outing wouldn't be the worst thing to happen right about now if he saved whoever didn't die.

The doctor will die instantly the moment he reveals himself. The mafia's early aim will be to get rid of the doctor. I don't see how having him coming forth so early in the game will help him/the town at all. The doctor will eventually reveal himself but I'd think that he'd wait till there is just 2 mafia remaining at most. There is no way he would reveal himself so early. Besides, the mafia might have gone after the survivor so there is really no point in the doctor showing himself now seeing that he might have saved a mafia. I did say that it's 50-50 that the person the doctor saved isn't a mafia.

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by pikk0n

The doctor will die instantly the moment he reveals himself. The mafia's early aim will be to get rid of the doctor. I don't see how having him coming forth so early in the game will help him/the town at all. The doctor will eventually reveal himself but I'd think that he'd wait till there is just 2 mafia remaining at most. There is no way he would reveal himself so early. Besides, the mafia might have gone after the survivor so there is really no point in the doctor showing himself now seeing that he might have saved a mafia. I did say that it's 50-50 that the person the doctor saved isn't a mafia.

I didn't say he should come forward: obviously, that'd be silly. I said it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. I'll elaborate later.

[AvPoker]

I only voted because everyone else voted. However, I'll keep my vote with Zergtastic since hes gonna die anyways.

[ToRDeathsFang]

But but then Zerggirl will commit suicide because SHE can't bear to see her lover killed!

[Benji]

1. nard - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
2. craZerk - Voted for jackwong
3. pikk0n - Voted for Zergtastic
4. LennX - Voted for Deathsfang
5. DeathsFang - Voted for tgun
6. cruxis - Voted for pokerface
7. Skrawl - Voted for tgun
8. pokerface - Voted for Zergtastic
9. Rorschach - Voted for Zergtastic
10. HDPhoenix - Voted for Sonata
11. Next_rim - Voted for Deathsfang
12. BakaInu - Voted for Zergtastic
13. jackwong - Voted for Zergtastic
14. tgun - Voted for pokerface
15. Paroxysm - Voted for Crazerk
16. Zanderax - Voted for Bakainu
17. Zergtastic - Voted for tgun
18. mustapusta - Voted for Crazerk
19. Dandelion
20. SONATA - Voted for Zergtastic
21. Meatex
22. Screwby - Voted for Deathsfang

6 Votes for Zergtastic
3 Votes for Tgun
3 Votes for Deathsfang
2 Votes for Crazerk
2 Votes for pokerface
1 Vote for jackwong
1 Vote for Bakainu
1 Vote for SONATA

Waiting on 2 more votes

[Meatex]

sorry for late vote ~.~;
I will vote Deathsfang again ^^

[Satu]

I vote for deathsfang too, he is actually pretty popular in getting mafia roles. Can someone else vote deathsfang please? I don't think I've ever survived beyond the second round, which is kinda bleak. Just this once? xD

[cruxis]

But that would put it into a tie, which is no guarantee you'll survive. Or maybe that's what you want, as you know if it gets to a draw you'll survive? The plot thickens.

[Benji]

Originally Posted by cruxis

But that would put it into a tie, which is no guarantee you'll survive. Or maybe that's what you want, as you know if it gets to a draw you'll survive? The plot thickens.

Your maths is really really bad, with that change in votes its 6-5

[cruxis]

Originally Posted by Benji

Your maths is really really bad, with that change in votes its 6-5

Vote was at 6-3, then there were 2 more votes for Deaths, making it 6-5. If someone else voted Deaths without removing their vote on Zerg, it'll be 6-6. If someone goes from Zerg to Deaths, then yes, it would be 5-6.

[ToRDeathsFang]

If Zergtastic wants a tie then there's a high chance he's mafia, i by no means want a tie vote.

And fyi in the first round i was a citizen and in the second round i was lover/mafia. How am i popular in getting roles?

[Satu]

Originally Posted by DeathsFang

If Zergtastic wants a tie then there's a high chance he's mafia, i by no means want a tie vote.

And fyi in the first round i was a citizen and in the second round i was lover/mafia. How am i popular in getting roles?

Deaths, I've been trying for ages to prove myself to not be mafia by voting for random people. Since that didn't work, Im voting for you as its my only chance at survival past this round. It is highly unlikely that I am mafia, its much more likely that the three mafia members are voting for me, as I expect them to be more organised and vote together, and I had the highest vote count initially. So basically, at this point in time, if you vote for me, you're probably mafia. Which means you are more likely to be mafia than I am, which in turn causes you being killed a better decision than me being killed.

Keeping this in mind, I think people sitting on the fence, such as pikk0n, should vote for deathsfang instead of me. Like I said earlier, everyone is going to be looking at whoever votes me first to possibly be mafia, so if you are mafia, why not save yourself and vote deaths instead? No one will know if you're conforming to the correct decision or trying to save yourself from being lynched tomorrow, off the small amount of information we have from this day's votes.

Basically, the only way I can die at this point is for people to disregard the information at hand, and blindly vote me in an act of self-promotion.

No vote changes here Benji, don't need to read my essay if you don't want.

Originally Posted by LennX

An easier way is just to PM Benji now saying who you want to kill. It will be a random lynch but you will save yourself. Then the mafia will have to target you but the doctor should save you right?
As long as you PM him before dandelion votes?

Thats assuming I die, which shouldn't happen. Deathsfang has nothing to prove that hes a vigilante other than his own words, you shouldn't be so blind as to trust those kinds of words in a situation like this. Thats why I haven't gone ahead and said my own role, because its unlikely anyone could trust me that its correct anyway, and probably shouldn't affect the voting process. Instead, Im putting forward evidence that mafia members are probably voting for me, thus meaning that I am unlikely to be a mafia member myself, and thus meaning that I don't need to be killed at this point in the game, although that may or may not affect the future of this game.

[pikk0n]

At the moment, it seems that Zergtastic is leading the votes and surprisingly, Deathsfang and not tgun is almost tying with him.... I thought my vote for zergie would tie the vote with tgun but it went off in a completely different path...

Benji, when Dandelion casts his final and deciding vote, can you please make a post of the total votes for the randomly lynched before killing off the person with the most votes? I may decide to swing my vote if my vote really matters.

THIS round of mafia is so much more intense than the previous one. The amount of discussions as well as the twists in votes far surpass round 2's. And guess what? The mafia hasn't even landed their first kill?!

[Benji]

Benji, when Dandelion casts his final and deciding vote, can you please make a post of the total votes for the randomly lynched before killing off the person with the most votes? I may decide to swing my vote if my vote really matters.

Nope, rules are rules

[pikk0n]

Okie dokie. Don't want to hold the game up then. I'll stick with my vote since Dandelion's vote will affect the final outcome.

[ToRDeathsFang]

If i want to seal my survival, i can just change my vote to Zergtastic. But i'm not going to do that
i change my vote to zergtastic
oops

[mustapusta]

I change my vote to DeathsFang

[ToRDeathsFang]

Fine then, lynch me off. But i'm the Vigilante =/ So long chances of winning.

[cruxis]

We have 2 vigilante's. But if you really are one of them, then you can quote Benji's PM for us, and you should be saved, judging we don't think you made it up.

[Benji]

Originally Posted by cruxis

We have 2 vigilante's. But if you really are one of them, then you can quote Benji's PM for us, and you should be saved, judging we don't think you made it up.

You can't do this, it is against the rules.

[LennX]

An easier way is just to PM Benji now saying who you want to kill. It will be a random lynch but you will save yourself. Then the mafia will have to target you but the doctor should save you right?
As long as you PM him before dandelion votes?

[ToRDeathsFang]

On the hope that the doctor will heal me tonight and that people will change their votes i'm not going to register my kills QUITE yet.
Also, i'm not sure if i'm allowed to quote/post pic of the message Benji gave me because that defeats the purpose of the game. But if i find out i'm allowed i will

Just please change your votes or a Vigi will cry

EDIT: Okay fine Zergtastic you want me to prove i'm Vigi then we'll see who dies when Benji updates Either you change your votes, or i kill you. Take a pick

[pikk0n]

Deaths, how will zergtastic switching his votes from save himself at all? He's going to either die from the random lynch or die from your vigilante antics.... I think he'd rather take you down with him if that's the case by keeping his vote to you.

Another thing is the presence of vigis can be a negative for the citizens if the vigilante kills a citizen instead of a mafia so it's really a double edged sword. More so now that the informant isn't working with the vigilante. It's just as bad as having 3 mafia families until the latter stages of the game.

[ToRDeathsFang]

If i kill Zergtastic RIGHT now before Dandelion votes then everyone's vote on him will be cancelled and i will have the msot votes on me, thus, i die. But it's been quite a while into the day and just to make sure everyone knows im Vigi i'll kill Mustapusta right about now.

[LennX]

I change my vote from DeathsFang to Dandelion.

[cruxis]

I can see why having screenshots could be against the rules, but I've played some games where being able to quote the role can be advantageous. If someone claims citizen, then you ask him to quote the PM, and he writes something completely different to every other citizen, then you know he's not a citizen. of course, this is in games where the citizen roles are also messaged to players.

[Benji]

Originally Posted by cruxis

I can see why having screenshots could be against the rules, but I've played some games where being able to quote the role can be advantageous. If someone claims citizen, then you ask him to quote the PM, and he writes something completely different to every other citizen, then you know he's not a citizen. of course, this is in games where the citizen roles are also messaged to players.

This way is simpler. I want it to be VERY hard to prove 100% that you're X or Y role to everyone. Makes it alot easier to pretend to be roles, which is fun

[Benji]

mustapusta has been killed by the Vigilante. He was a Vigilante.

No vote changes here Benji, don't need to read my essay if you don't want.

Thank you, saved me 2 minutes :P

1. nard - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
2. craZerk - Voted for jackwong
3. pikk0n - Voted for Zergtastic
4. LennX - Voted for Dandelion
5. DeathsFang - Voted for Zergtastic
6. cruxis - Voted for pokerface
7. Skrawl - Voted for tgun
8. pokerface - Voted for Zergtastic
9. Rorschach - Voted for Zergtastic
10. HDPhoenix - Voted for Sonata
11. Next_rim - Voted for Deathsfang
12. BakaInu - Voted for Zergtastic
13. jackwong - Voted for Zergtastic
14. tgun - Voted for pokerface
15. Paroxysm - Voted for Crazerk
16. Zanderax - Voted for Bakainu
17. Zergtastic - Voted for Deathsfang
18. mustapusta - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Vigilante (Vigilante)
19. Dandelion
20. SONATA - Voted for Zergtastic
21. Meatex - Voted for Deathsfang22. Screwby - Voted for Deathsfang

7 Votes for Zergtastic
4 Votes for Deathsfang
2 Votes for Crazerk
2 Votes for pokerface
1 Vote for jackwong
1 Vote for Bakainu
1 Vote for SONATA
1 Vote for Dandelion
1 Vote for Tgun

Due to whats happened in the last hour or so, I'm extending Daytime for another Hour. Daytime will finish in 60 minutes or once Dandelion has Voted

[Benji]

Deathsfang has been killed by the Professional. He was a Vigilante.

1. nard - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
2. craZerk - Voted for jackwong
3. pikk0n - Voted for Zergtastic
4. LennX - Voted for Dandelion
5. DeathsFang - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Professional (Vigilante)
6. cruxis - Voted for pokerface
7. Skrawl - Voted for tgun
8. pokerface - Voted for Zergtastic
9. Rorschach - Voted for Zergtastic
10. HDPhoenix - Voted for Sonata
11. Next_rim - Voted for Deathsfang
12. BakaInu - Voted for Zergtastic
13. jackwong - Voted for Zergtastic
14. tgun - Voted for pokerface
15. Paroxysm - Voted for Crazerk
16. Zanderax - Voted for Bakainu
17. Zergtastic - Voted for Deathsfang
18. mustapusta - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Vigilante (Vigilante)
19. Dandelion
20. SONATA - Voted for Zergtastic
21. Meatex - Voted for Deathsfang
22. Screwby - Voted for Deathsfang

6 Votes for Zergtastic
4 Votes for Deathsfang - DEAD
2 Votes for Crazerk
2 Votes for pokerface
1 Vote for jackwong
1 Vote for Bakainu
1 Vote for SONATA
1 Vote for Dandelion
1 Vote for Tgun

The Professional is one of the winners of the game, however I will not reveal who it is until the game ends or he dies. How he plays the game from now on is completely up to him.

[pikk0n]

Deaths = biggest noob for revealing he's the vigi... free win for the prof.... Sigh.....

By the way, does this mean that votes for deaths will need to be switched?

[Benji]

Originally Posted by pikk0n

Deaths = biggest noob for revealing he's the vigi... free win for the prof.... Sigh.....

By the way, does this mean that votes for deaths will need to be switched?

They can revote if they'd like, however if they don't see this thread in the next hour they won't be punished for missing the day vote.

[Satu]

Guys, Like I was saying before, there is no reason to vote me.

I change my vote to pokerface

My life is in your hands, guys... Please, understand that deathsfang has been an idiot this game, enough to get himself killed already, so listening to him and getting me killed should be seen as completely illogical.

[cruxis]

Nice work Deaths, you kill our Vigilante, then let the Professional win.

At least it wasn't the informant or doctor, so we still have a chance.

[cruxis]

Also, with those 2 kills i think it takes Zerg to 5 votes? Or do their votes still count after their dead?

[ToRDeathsFang]

Nobody decided to change their votes from me, i wouldn't have killed. And i never counted on the professional. But whatever.

[Satu]

Whether or not people were following deathsfang like sheep, its still illogical. Meh, I've already explained all of this. Two vigilantes just died, if there is any hope in the town succeeding, you guys will just have to trust me. Its all down to trust now, do you believe in working as a pack, with the mafia to get yourselves killed, or working with me?

[LennX]

Actually Zergtastic you were part of the blame too. You forced deaths into killing a random person to prove that he is the vigilante and thus giving the professional a free win?

I change my vote from Dandelion to Zergtastic. i think Zergtastic is the professional anyway. The professional can choose to screw anyone over. Remember that when you vote.


VOTE ZERGTASTIC

[Satu]

Originally Posted by LennX

Actually Zergtastic you were part of the blame too. You forced deaths into killing a random person to prove that he is the vigilante and thus giving the professional a free win?

I change my vote from Dandelion to Zergtastic. i think Zergtastic is the professional anyway. The professional can choose to screw anyone over. Remember that when you vote.


VOTE ZERGTASTIC

I didn't force deaths into doing anything, I simply was saving myself. Also, ANYONE could be the professional, what just happened doesn't change anything for my position. Like I was saying before, if you vote me, you have no reason to other than jumping on the bandwagon or being mafia. So you are likely to be lynched next if you're voting for me. Im surprised no one has changed their vote off this premise yet.

[Satu]

Ok, I'll admit it. Im the professional. I killed deathsfang. I went ahead to survive to screw with you guys. But I have a proposal. Tonight, the doctor heals me, and I will kill a mafia member. Change your vote and tell me who you guys think the mafia members are. I'll kill the most likely person to be mafia. Or you can suggest something different.

Change your votes now, or I die and you lose your last chance.

[LennX]

Why should we trust you? You are the professional a neutral role. A mafia or citizen win is fine either way for you.

[Satu]

Originally Posted by LennX

Why should we trust you? You are the professional a neutral role. A mafia or citizen win is fine either way for you.

Are you blind? Both vigilantes just got killed, you guys have no choice left if you want to win.

I will leave it as that, kill me and lose, or don't kill me and MAYBE win. Your choice.

[pikk0n]

Well, that's an interesting proposal, zergtastic. From your words, we can be sure that you're not the joker so we wouldn't be giving out 2 free wins in one round. However, keeping you alive.... If you kill the doctor or the citizen by accident, the town will be in a worse off condition. As of now, we have the arsonist, the mafia and the prof who can still kill people. That's a potential of 3 deaths in one night and if the kills are all townfolks, the mafia kinda auto wins.... I'll have to check if the arsonist is with the mafia though. Regardless, reducing the kills to 2 a night assuming you are a professional can assist the town to a certain degree seeing that the doctor has less chance of getting killed.

Having said that, we're assuming that you really are the professional and that the professional isn't someone who isn't posting because he has some other plans of his own for this game. We might be allowing a mafia/arsonist live by letting you go thanks to the professional.

[Satu]

Originally Posted by pikk0n

Well, that's an interesting proposal, zergtastic. From your words, we can be sure that you're not the joker so we wouldn't be giving out 2 free wins in one round. However, keeping you alive.... If you kill the doctor or the citizen by accident, the town will be in a worse off condition. As of now, we have the arsonist, the mafia and the prof who can still kill people. That's a potential of 3 deaths in one night and if the kills are all townfolks, the mafia kinda auto wins.... I'll have to check if the arsonist is with the mafia though. Regardless, reducing the kills to 2 a night assuming you are a professional can assist the town to a certain degree seeing that the doctor has less chance of getting killed.

Having said that, we're assuming that you really are the professional and that the professional isn't someone who isn't posting because he has some other plans of his own for this game. We might be allowing a mafia/arsonist live by letting you go thanks to the professional.

I made deathsfang prove hes the vigilante, so I could kill him. That should be proof enough that Im the professional. Thus, I don't need to be killed, because there is no way Im mafia if Im the professional.

Anyway, if you guys don't want to change your votes soon, I could just go the other way and kill someone random, such as a citizen before I get killed. Its in your best interest to let me live, Im going to random kill if votes don't change soon.

[crAzerk]

EDIT: OOps like about 5 posts were made while I was typing this. Hang on... let me read them

+ [Spoilered text was typed before Zergtastic stepped forward and claims to be Professional] +

My vote at this point is irrelevant, switching to Zerg does nothing (I don't really think he's Mafia but I guess we'll find out) and switching to someone else to force a tie does nothing either (since as I've already explained last game you can't really deduce anything from a tie even though noone believed/understood me (unless it's double mafia in a tie))
So I'll stick to my RNG vote and make a better vote next round (If i'm still alive, that is)

I'll be doing the same analysis I did last game after the day votes have concluded, too much activity going on atm, have to let the dust settle. Will post it immediately when day ends, so that I get it out in case Mafia decides to kill me. :/

That said, would it be beneficial for us (Citizens) if the Survivor announced his role? It helps to eliminate one potential mafia, and coming out doesn't give mafia any reason to snipe him either since he is technically low priority.

I'll have to check if the arsonist is with the mafia though.

No the arsonist is a neutral role, his aim is just to kill everyone. So he is against the Citizens AND mafia.

Regardless, reducing the kills to 2 a night assuming you are a professional can assist the town to a certain degree seeing that the doctor has less chance of getting killed.

It is a double-edged sword, really. One way to look at it is that it will reduce the chance of hitting the Doctor, Informant, etc. Another way of looking at it is that it has a higher chance of hitting the Mafia, after which we can start analysing vote trends based on who the Mafia is.

[ToRDeathsFang]

Zergtastic outsmarted me. DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE AND GO TO HELL

[EveRorschach]

Sounds good to me, switch vote to Crazerk.



EDIT: Making it easier for Benji, I originally voted for Zergtastic. Thanks!

[Satu]

In the interest of keeping this thread high on the forums as well as my personal interests, I just want to address the possibility of mafia killing me this night. If they do, thats a kill that could have occurred to a town member, which means that I have helped the town survive longer. On top of that, the doctor will probably be healing me tonight. There should be no reason for me to be killed tonight, even if you try.

Originally Posted by crAzerk

Actually Zerg, you already won the game, so I don't see why you would want to 'rage-kill' and possibly cause people to want to random lynch you in future games :/ Don't do it Zerg! Or at least make your 'random' hit a calculated one based on what has been said in the past few pages and try to kill a Mafia for us? :/

Im not going to "rage-kill", Im going to sit back for a while until someone gives a good case as to who the mafia members are. Until then, I can be a meat shield for kills from the mafia, even if it only takes one night to kill me, it still benefits the town.

Also, if Im going to compete in future games, its worth being unpredictable. I think just stopping playing due to winning already causes me to be a bit predictable in future games, by just conforming to what it seems the role requires. I want to always be a talkative player and keep my interest in surviving for long games.

UNLESS:

Just so you guys remember, someone else needs to change their vote, or I will ACTUALLY do a random kill. I don't want to do that. You guys voting for me, you are the ones who could be killed.

3. pikk0n - Voted for Zergtastic
8. pokerface - Voted for Zergtastic
12. BakaInu - Voted for Zergtastic
13. jackwong - Voted for Zergtastic
20. SONATA - Voted for Zergtastic

I'll use a randomizer and kill someone, before the day ends. Btw, Benji, if you're keeping up with this, how much time left?

[crAzerk]

Actually Zerg, you already won the game, so I don't see why you would want to 'rage-kill' and possibly cause people to want to random lynch you in future games :/ Don't do it Zerg! Or at least make your 'random' hit a calculated one based on what has been said in the past few pages and try to kill a Mafia for us? :/

Anyway, I will switch vote to pokerface , for some minor protection for myself since Rorsh has switched to me.

my original vote was jackwong

[jackwong]

I'll change my vote to crazerk

[crAzerk]

Actually, I'm looking through Zerg's previous posts and I don't see how he has convinced Deathsfang to step forward and prove himself. His posts merely reasoned as to why he wasn't Mafia, and it was Deathsfang's own bad judgement that led him do what he did.

It seems very likely that Zerg could be mafia or survivor (or arsonist), and is taking this opportunity to merely pretend to be Professional, and save his own ass. Look how he has managed to sway you already with his scare tactics.

Stop switching your votes to me!

[Benji]

Zergtastic has been killed by the Citizens. He was the Professional.

1. nard - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
2. craZerk - Voted for pokerface
3. pikk0n - Voted for Zergtastic
4. LennX - Voted for Zergtastic
5. DeathsFang - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Professional (Vigilante)
6. cruxis - Voted for pokerface
7. Skrawl - Voted for tgun
8. pokerface - Voted for Zergtastic
9. Rorschach - Voted for Crazerk
10. HDPhoenix - Voted for Sonata
11. Next_rim - Voted for Deathsfang
12. BakaInu - Voted for Zergtastic
13. jackwong - Voted for Crazerk
14. tgun - Voted for pokerface
15. Paroxysm - Voted for Crazerk
16. Zanderax - Voted for Bakainu
17. Zergtastic - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Professional) *WINNER*
18. mustapusta - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Vigilante (Vigilante)
19. Dandelion
20. SONATA - Voted for Zergtastic
21. Meatex - Voted for Deathsfang
22. Screwby - Voted for Deathsfang

5 Votes for Zergtastic
4 Votes for Crazerk
4 Votes for pokerface
1 Vote for jackwong
1 Vote for Bakainu
1 Vote for SONATA
1 Vote for Tgun

It is now Nighttime, players have 24 hours to submit their nighttime votes and such.

Dandelion did not vote, and if he misses the next one he will be killed

[crAzerk]

Ok my take on what has happened so far:

1) cruxis with his deduction

+ [Read it here] +

Originally Posted by cruxis

Ok, just did some vote analysis.

The following people voted for Nard Day 1:
TGun
Pokerface
Zanderax
Paroxysm
Dandelion
Screwby
Bakainu
Jackwong
Rorschach
Pikkon
Skrawl
Sonata

Now, the following people voted for Zergtastic on Day 2:
Jackwong
Pokerface
Bakainu
Rorschach
Sonata

Now, comparing the lists results,the following players voted for both Nard and Zerg:
Jackwong
Pokerface
Bakainu
Rorschach
Sonata

Now, I don't think all of the mafia voted for Nard day 1, and it's unlikely they have all voted for Zerg as well. I believe that there's a good chance at least one of these players, possibly two, are Mafia.

Now, thinking back to game 2, Bakainu and Sonata were never very active, and usually voted in the same manner that they did here. And they were both citizens. I can't really remember the posting behaviour of the other players, which tends to make me think they were also not very active.

So, after all that, and considering everyone just seems to be random voting anyway, I will vote Pokerface, as he wasn't Mafia game 1 or 2, so his chances are greatly higher.

I think the motivation for the 1st vote was obvious, so it seems hasty to conclude anything from it.

It's a valid deduction, just not very sound imo. Could cruxis be Mafia and hence trying to cast suspicion on others early on? Possibly.

2) pikkon tries to force a tie

+ [Read more] +

Originally Posted by pikk0n

Interesting point, Cruxis but there are 5 mafias and 4 people with multiple votes (Zergtastic, tgun, Deaths and Crazerk) . So following your logic, I can safely say that there are at least 1 mafia who voted for each of these people and 2 people voted for one person...

Sorry, not trying to make fun of you but I found your argument about one or two mafia voting for Zerg a little hmm..... Again, the mafia's kill was somehow stopped last night. The doctor would know who the mafia tried to kill if the mafia missed the survivor so the doctor can be 50% sure that the person he saved isn't the mafia. It'll be foolish of the doctor to come out stating whom he saved so early in the game because the mafia will go after him for sure. That's the only conclusion we can make out of the 2 days so far. Today's still rather random in terms of lynching. I think you're reading too much into the early votes still, cruxis. Having said that, it's good to see tgun defending himself unlike nard who allowed himself to die.....

As for my vote, I think I'll try to force a tie because that'll help us in finding out who the mafia is the same way the mafia was revealed last round so my vote goes to Zergtastic.

I've already explained in the previous round that nothing can be concluded from a tie, even multiple ties. Not everyone agrees with this point of mine, but it's true.

Now would it be beneficial for Mafia or Citizen to force a tie?
For Mafia, it would be beneficial if none of their own members were in the tie situation. In other words, it is NOT beneficial for them to force a tie if one of their members were in the tie situation.
The leaders in votes at that point of time were tgun and Deathsfang. If pikk0n was Mafia, it would mean none of these people are Mafia.

For Citizens... I really don't know. While you can get lucky like last game and hit 2 Mafia... that's only if you're lucky. If you were lucky enough to hit 2 Mafia, then wouldn't you be lucky enough to hit just 1 Mafia on your original vote ? (without the tie) This way there won't be the uncertainty of the tie situation.

Thus it is NOT beneficial to force ties for Citizens since it creates uncertainty (and probably causes a diversion from the real Mafia), but beneficial for Mafia to force ties. Does this mean pikk0n is Mafia? Possibly. But again, not conclusive.

3) The whole drama with 2 Vigilantes being killed and Professional being lynched
IMO that was just bad decisionmaking by Deathsfang, he was safe (2-3 votes under Zerg I believe) but suddenly declared his role which set forth the chain of events.

Regardless, the priority for Mafia seems to be : Doctor, Arsonist, Professional.
Doctor being priority is obvious, given how he can block kills. Arsonist can actually make multiple kills in one night, and seems more powerful than Professional, since Arsonist will want to kill Mafia too to avoid getting night-shot by accident.
Professional? He has already won the game, so the only motivation to kill him would be that he is a random factor later on with his random kill. But he is not a priority, since he is of no direct threat of blocking a kill or wanting to kill Mafia.

Thus it seems that if you knew that Zergtastic was the Professional, it would not be in Mafia's best interest to kill Zergtastic, and you would rather vote for a random person and hope that he is a Doctor or Arsonist, since that is of a higher priority.

Rorshach and jackwong were two that switched their vote. Is this suspicious to suggest that they may be Mafia? Perhaps.
Then again, they could just be afraid of Zergtastic's threat to randomly lynch whoever was voting for him.


Yup. That's just my thoughts so far

+ [TLDR] +

PLEASE DONT KILL ME MAFIA I WANT TO KEEP DOING 'BLOG-LIKE' POSTS LIKE THESE! lolol. xD

And just some discussion for the night time:

Would it be beneficial for us (Citizens) if the Survivor announced his role? It helps to eliminate one potential mafia, and coming out doesn't give mafia any reason to snipe him either since he is technically low priority.

[cruxis]

I thinking voting Zerg out was the best decision. He's already won the game, so anything he says or does is basically moot. The Mafia would have to be retardedly stupid to kill Zerg. He had already won the game, and the doctor "might" have protected him. If I was deciding a killing blow, I would pick someone other then Zerg, in the hopes of getting the doctor or the informant.

Survivor coming forward doesn't really change anything, unless he can confirm whether the mafia tried to kill him on Night 1. If he wasn't, then obviously the doctor saved the right person, and then the doctor knows another possible citizen (Could still be a neutral role).

[pikk0n]

Hmm.... Zergtastic isn't a mafia? Now that's interesting.... So, does this mean that one of us would die from Zergtastic's random kill? Is it still possible for him to kill any one of us seeing that he is already dead? Also, he's used his daytime kill.

[Benji]

Sorry for the delay, got dragged to do social things :S

Next_rim has been killed by the Mafia. He is a Citizen.

1. nard - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
2. craZerk
3. pikk0n
4. LennX
5. DeathsFang - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Professional (Vigilante)
6. cruxis
7. Skrawl
8. pokerface
9. Rorschach
10. HDPhoenix
11. Next_rim - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Mafia (Citizen)
12. BakaInu
13. jackwong
14. tgun
15. Paroxysm
16. Zanderax
17. Zergtastic - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Professional) *WINNER*
18. mustapusta - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Vigilante (Vigilante)
19. Dandelion
20. SONATA
21. Meatex
22. Screwby

It is now Daytime. Players have 48 hours to submit their daytime votes.

[Zanderax]

I'm gonna vote for pikk0n because he posted last and I can't be bothered to read anything else.

[iM tgun]

Still voting for pokerface. No need to change.

[LennX]

Voting for Dandelion.

[crAzerk]

Is everyone still voting randomly at this point?

Well my previous vote was jackwong, so I will vote jackwong again.
Also I felt his willingness to switch votes so readily off Zergtastic is suspicious, as I have outlined in the above post, which I will spoiler for you:

+ Show +

3) The whole drama with 2 Vigilantes being killed and Professional being lynched
IMO that was just bad decisionmaking by Deathsfang, he was safe (2-3 votes under Zerg I believe) but suddenly declared his role which set forth the chain of events.

Regardless, the priority for Mafia seems to be : Doctor, Arsonist, Professional.
Doctor being priority is obvious, given how he can block kills. Arsonist can actually make multiple kills in one night, and seems more powerful than Professional, since Arsonist will want to kill Mafia too to avoid getting night-shot by accident.
Professional? He has already won the game, so the only motivation to kill him would be that he is a random factor later on with his random kill. But he is not a priority, since he is of no direct threat of blocking a kill or wanting to kill Mafia.

Thus it seems that if you knew that Zergtastic was the Professional, it would not be in Mafia's best interest to kill Zergtastic, and you would rather vote for a random person and hope that he is a Doctor or Arsonist, since that is of a higher priority.

Rorshach and jackwong were two that switched their vote. Is this suspicious to suggest that they may be Mafia? Perhaps.
Then again, they could just be afraid of Zergtastic's threat to randomly lynch whoever was voting for him.

With nothing else to go on from,

I vote for jackwong

[Dandelion]

I can't beleave i missed a vote ;A;
I'm gonna use the list to calculate my vote, seeing as #1 Nard was Citizen it's very likely that the last will be anti-town.
Vote #22 Screwby

[HDPhoenix]

We still don't have a mafia kill so we have literally zero to pin-point. That said, we already lost a neutral AND 2 important town-aligned players + 2 other townies.. Nothing to work with

So I'll stick with my previous vote of SONATA till we get our first real break

[AvPoker]

Voting for Dandelion.

[pikk0n]

Guys, one of the mafia has already revealed himself and the only reason he is still around is because I forgot to switch my vote before Benji appeared yesterday to kill zergtastic off. You can go through his posts and notice the inconsistencies and the hubris settling in after the professional and the vigilantes killed each other or you can read my following summary which may end up being longer than what he wrote.

The first giveaway is when he seemed SOOO confident that Zergtastic wasn't a mafia despite the existence of a possibility that Zergtastic might still be a mafia and had taken the opportunity to pretend to be a professional after the professional killed Deaths. Now if you then read the post right before Benji's killing of Zergtastic (proving that zergtastic is indeed the professional hence only a mafia would have been that confident that Zergtastic wasn't part of their family), he would back down on his words because he noticed that his posts made him the lynch target after Zergtastic. That's where the inconsistencies started appearing. The reason it took me a while to make the vote switch from Zergtastic was because there was still the possibility that he was a mafia but the last post at day's end convinced me that this person was indeed a mafia. You can rest assured that he is not the joker from that post of his in his desperate attempt of survival. Unfortunately, Benji had ended the day.

The second reason is interesting. You'd notice that out of everyone, he is the FIRST to use US (Citizens) in a desperate attempt to convince us that he was indeed just a normal citizen. Seeing that there are still neutral roles out there as well as the full 5 mafias, I found this really suspicious because some of the neutral roled players would help the mafia and calling yourself out as a citizen (part of the town) would make you more of a target to the mafia family or it may appear to the mafia family that he was covering a neutral role of his and maybe even that of the doctor's. This is a sign of overconfidence from someone who is certain that he wouldn't die at night and the only reason that can be the case is if he's the mafia.

The third reason put to rest ALL my doubts about him NOT being a mafia. That long post at night would have been suicide for a normal citizen. IF any one person in his list was the mafia, he would have been taken out instantly. Oh, there is the argument that the mafia wouldn't take him out because that'll mean that their name was on the list BUT think about this. Why did YOU not post at night? You're all worried that it'll make you the mafia's target. Now THAT post of his shows overconfidence because we had missed out on a deal with the professional to have the mafia killed instantly during the day and well, with how things look at the moment, the mafia does indeed have the upperhand.

For these 3 reasons, my vote goes to crazerk as the first mafia who would be taken out. If he dies, his mafia buddies can be revealed to a certain extent from their votes. THAT's when vote patterns matter.

I was going to vote for crazerk today if the voting was still random because his random number generator chose me (when I attempted to use it...) but his posts gave me a good lead.

I wouldn't be surprised if i were the target of the Mafia tonight if crazerk does die but the only way he would survive is if I were to die from a counter lynch during the day's vote. If I am lynched during the day, you'll see that I'm not the mafia so crazerk will die tomorrow. The only concern you would have now is who the neutral aligned players want to side with. The side with the upperhand currently (mafia) or the side who at the moment MAY be struggling (town).

Apologies for the long post.

[BaKaiNu]

Crazerk. Because his TL;DR is not informational.

[jackwong]

Voted for Crazerk, because of last round

[SONATA]

i will go wif crazerk then. just following the crowd

[Meatex]

pikkon makes a valid argument so i will vote crazerk

[Next_rim]

whoa, fu mafia. I don't get to play now (

[ToRskrawL]

I AGREE WITH PIKKON!

Crazerk it is

[Zanderax]

Changing my vote from craZerk to pikk0n

[crAzerk]

Before you all hastily fall into pikk0n's trap of pinpointing me as Mafia, let me address what he said.

1)

Originally Posted by pikk0n

The third reason put to rest ALL my doubts about him NOT being a mafia. That long post at night would have been suicide for a normal citizen. IF any one person in his list was the mafia, he would have been taken out instantly

His point was that because I was Mafia and hence I was overconfident hence I dared to post at night.
That's nonsense. If you have been following the previous games, it was not as if people were silent at night, and if you refer to this thread:
http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php...t=mafia&page=9
That long post (in fact I made 2) that I made was also during the night (I was Citizen as well that game)

My reason for posting at night is because firstly I may be dead by morning, so I won't get a chance to present all my deductions which I love doing (as from previous game), and secondly it's almost an insurance - if I get killed because of my deductions it would point suspiciously at the Mafia based on what I've said.

Invalid point by pikk0n.

2) I don't quite get what he was trying to drive at, a neutral role would not want to seem like he was a neutral role, since they pose the most threat to the Mafia and would be targeted by Mafia. Citizens are of lower priority for Mafia to kill. If you don't see this you're not understanding the roles well.
Thus everyone should want to appear that he's a Citizen, even if he was a Neutral role such as Arsonist etc, because it would be lower priority for Mafia (unless you're Informant trying to convince everyone abt sth, etc)

3) And lastly, I don't see how I was ever confident of Zergtastic being anything at all. I had no idea what Zergtastic was, and my cluelessness was shown in what I had written. It seems like pikk0n merely created this illusion to deceive you all.

Why I thought pikk0n is suspicious
From the start he was already trying to force a tie. If he was had read up on the previous Mafia thread, he would have known that a tiebreaker only causes confusion. (as well as misunderstanding as to how the mathematics behind it works)
Why will any citizen want to force a tie? It's illogical. You will only want to force a tie if you know that the two people involved in the tie are not part of your Mafia family. Which was probably the case when he was trying to force a tie between Zergtastic and Deathsfang.

In addition, he writes an essay (with falsified 'facts') to try to pin it on me once he realized I was on to him in my previous post:

+ [pikk0n] +

2) pikkon tries to force a tie
+ [Read more] +


I've already explained in the previous round that nothing can be concluded from a tie, even multiple ties. Not everyone agrees with this point of mine, but it's true.

Now would it be beneficial for Mafia or Citizen to force a tie?
For Mafia, it would be beneficial if none of their own members were in the tie situation. In other words, it is NOT beneficial for them to force a tie if one of their members were in the tie situation.
The leaders in votes at that point of time were tgun and Deathsfang. If pikk0n was Mafia, it would mean none of these people are Mafia.

For Citizens... I really don't know. While you can get lucky like last game and hit 2 Mafia... that's only if you're lucky. If you were lucky enough to hit 2 Mafia, then wouldn't you be lucky enough to hit just 1 Mafia on your original vote ? (without the tie) This way there won't be the uncertainty of the tie situation.

Thus it is NOT beneficial to force ties for Citizens since it creates uncertainty (and probably causes a diversion from the real Mafia), but beneficial for Mafia to force ties. Does this mean pikk0n is Mafia? Possibly. But again, not conclusive.

Probably wants to silence me before I get any further in my deductions.

I suggest you guys look at those who are hopping on with pikk0n to make this attack on me, if I do die from the lynch and you realize I am NOT Mafia, one or more of these people who are banding together with him may be his Mafia buddies making a move.

Thus, I switch my vote to pikk0n

[pikk0n]

Well, crazerk. Regardless. If I were to be lynched now, it wouldn't matter. The players will see my role and the mafia will still lose ONE member tomorrow which will help the rest of us significantly. This will help us see a nice pattern from the votes rather than the random patterns you stated.

As for a tie, you tried to stop a tie by switching your vote to Zergtastic yesterday because a Tie between a survivor and a mafia guarantees the survival of the mafia. That would have pinned you down even further. For once, a tie would have been beneficial. Also, the reason why I forced the tie is because no one died after the first night. The 2nd day was about randomly lynching people and if we can gain ANY information about the mafia, the only way was to force a tie. Having a tie would have been better than just randomly killing off a non-mafia.

I am not going to convince people that I'm a town, mafia or neutral aligned player. I can only say that I am NOT the professional or vigilantes. I am only going to convince my fellow players here that YOU are in fact a mafia and if you survive past today, you won't survive tomorrow.

As for the long post, the difference here compared to the other nights is you pulled out 4 names and unless you're a mafia, you'd be very careful which 4 names you pulled out otherwise you'd strike a mafia by accident.

If I were a mafia, I wouldn't need to accuse anyone of being the mafia since I wasn't in any danger of getting eliminated at all. Votes were 1 for everyone when I posted and you even voted for jackwong initially. If I were a mafia, I wouldn't be putting myself in the firing line so early. What I see from your post is a mafia panicking because he has been ousted. Sorry, crazerk but 5 mafia members' too many with 3 non-mafia deaths yesterday. You gave yourself away.

[crAzerk]

The 2nd day was about randomly lynching people and if we can gain ANY information about the mafia, the only way was to force a tie.

This just shows you failed to understand entirely what I've spent all game last game trying to explain. A tie tells nothing UNLESS a mafia dies from it. I've already explained this a dozen times, if you still don't get it I can't help it.

Either you don't get it, or you're deliberately trying to act blur and cause more confusion or something, I don't know. I don't know what your aim is trying to pin this on me if you're not Mafia, I guess we'll know if you die and your role is exposed.

As for the long post, the difference here compared to the other nights is you pulled out 4 names

Wrong again. If you even read the link that I provided, I DID talk about some people in particular in the previous post from previous game as well. In fact, I wasn't 100% accurate in my predictions anyway.

If I were a mafia, I wouldn't need to accuse anyone of being the mafia since I wasn't in any danger of getting eliminated at all.

Again flawed logic and entirely false. I was not Mafia last game, and I also put forth several names.
Neither did I 'accuse anyone of being Mafia' in the post you're referring to, just put out suggestions (same as previous game).

If I were a mafia, I wouldn't be putting myself in the firing line so early.

You clearly did not follow the previous game at all. That post was made at around the same time last game as it was this game. It's just the appropriate time. I like deducing. I like writing stuff like that It is a faulty leap of logic to conclude anything from just the fact that I posted (at night).


Your arguments would be alot more impressive if they had any semblance of truth in them. Unfortunately, they do not, and you are just firing blanks trying to pin something on me, with your faulty leaps of logic and half-truths (probably trying to persuade the cognitive misers in this group). Maybe you like doing this, to generate excitement or something, I've no idea.
I've no idea why you would do all this if you weren't Mafia.

[EveRorschach]

Vote for Crazerk thanks! Due to pikk0ns reasoning as well as being consistent! thanks benji

[Benji]

Changing my vote from craZerk to pikk0n

Please clarify, you had voted for pikk0n in your first post, do you want to change to craZerk?

1. nard - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
2. craZerk - Voted for pikk0n
3. pikk0n - Voted for craZerk
4. LennX - Voted for Dandelion
5. DeathsFang - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Professional (Vigilante)
6. cruxis - Voted for pikk0n
7. Skrawl - Voted for craZerk
8. pokerface - Voted for craZerk
9. Rorschach - Voted for craZerk
10. HDPhoenix - Voted for SONATA
11. Next_rim - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Mafia (Citizen)
12. BakaInu - Voted for craZerk
13. jackwong - Voted for craZerk
14. tgun - Voted for pokerface
15. Paroxysm - Voted for pikk0n
16. Zanderax - Voted for pikk0n
17. Zergtastic - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Professional) *WINNER*
18. mustapusta - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Vigilante (Vigilante)
19. Dandelion - Voted for Screwby
20. SONATA - Voted for craZerk
21. Meatex - Voted for craZerk
22. Screwby

6 Votes for Crazerk
4 Votes for pikk0n
1 Vote for Dandelion
1 Vote for pokerface
1 Vote for Screwby
1 Vote for SONATA

[crAzerk]

Hi benji, I changed my vote to pikk0n thanks

[cruxis]

So, there's basically 2 sides here. Both accusing each other of being Mafia, with some nice lengthy posts.

While both sides raise some very valid points, I find that the quick jump in votes towards Crazerk awfully suspicious. So I'll side with Crazerk and Vote Pikkon.

[pikk0n]

Crazerk, you couldn't accuse anyone of being a mafia last game because none of the mafia came out as directly as you did so early in this round. By the time one mafia revealed himself, you were already killed. So comparing this round to last round would be futile.

As for the tie, would the professional survive or would a citizen survive? My bet will be the professional. A Mafia ALWAYS survives unless he is up against a fellow mafia in which case 2 mafia is revealed as was the case in round 2. If the professional had come across a fellow neutral or someone in an active role in a tie, then I'm guessing it's a coin toss but well, getting rid of another neutral wouldn't really hurt the town's chances unless it's the doctor.

I am garnering excitement at the moment because the mafia has revealed himself and we finally have an opportunity to get one which will assist in obtaining a voting pattern later in this game.

If I get lynched today, then the town/neutral loses 1 member tonight, that leaves 15 tomorrow with 5 mafia members working together. So your death either today or tomorrow will reveal the rest of your members solely by their votes because you'll be in the top 2 votes and the only way to save their fellow mafia is to vote for the same person the mafia votes for. My lynch today will reveal the names of the non-mafia (who voted for you) unless your mafia members have decided that you are a burden to them. To you guys lynching me, I hope you're prepared for the consequences when my role or crazerk's is revealed. So, either way there will be plenty of excitement for the rest of this round. Of course, there's the important neutral roles and it'd be interesting to see if they are siding with the mafia or the town.

I need to call out the mafia today because if I let this go on for 3 more days, the town has almost zero chance of winning with the votes going fully in the favour of the mafia (mafia having 5 members). Also, the arguments from day 2 will be void by then.

[AvPoker]

Change my vote to Crazerk.

[Benji]

Edited my above post to this point to reflect vote changes.

[crAzerk]

Crazerk, you couldn't accuse anyone of being a mafia last game

Still remaining obstinate and ignoring my major valid points.
I did not accuse anyone of being Mafia either game up till your lengthy accusation. I merely put forth suggestions. I haven't been able to deduce anything conclusively from previous posts, hence I did not want to be like you and make such a bold move. Maybe you felt the pressure from my post, (as I have mentioned) when I suggested your insistence on a tie was suspicious, I don't know. Only you know why you did what you did.

Now I know I am not Mafia, so if you were to launch such a strong attack against me, I can't think of any other reason besides you being Mafia.

So to those who have quickly jumped onto the bandwagon to vote me off, do know that you are putting big spotlights on yourself as being potential Mafia.
And for those who still have random votes, I urge you to vote for pikk0n, so at least if there's a tie and I get killed off, you'll know that pikk0n has been conjuring up stories all this while.

Still voting for pikk0n

[Paroxysm]

Best that we bring about a tie again, the tiebreaker can prove many things, I vote pikk0n

[pikk0n]

Parox, I'll gladly support your idea of going for the tie to be safe. Just remember that once my role is revealed, the mafia's role will be revealed too. Those who voted for crazerk would obviously not be mafia. And ONE of them might be the joker assuming of course I am not the joker. And for crazerk to defend himself TWICE, proves once and for all that he is NOT the joker. I will be lynched today in the event of a tie and crazerk will die tomorrow but the mafia will fall apart after that.

As long as this brings about the unraveling of the mafia, it'll be fun fun fun.

In the event of a tie, I'd be posting the names of people who voted for crazerk and they can be safely assumed to NOT be the mafia to help you guys after tomorrow. That should make the day lynching process after today to not be as hard if you find that my arguments against crazerk today aren't convincing enough.

In defence of myself, all I am going to say is that I am your biggest ally at the moment in terms of getting rid of the mafia seeing that more than half failed to see how obvious the mafia revealed himself yesterday. I will be gone after today in the event of a tie so how you find the mafia after today (assuming of course I survive hits from the mafia tonight) will be entirely up to you. If you agree with crazerk's deductions, it's fair enough but I only make these accusations when it is 100% confirmed that a player is a mafia. If I were to get lynched today, I will still give you the list before Benji kills me off. Either way, your mafia buddies are going down for trying to save you, crazerk.

[crAzerk]

You don't have to be posting anything pikk0n, Benji will post the list up as well.
But in the same note, if I do get lynched today and my (non-Mafia) role is shown, those who jumped on to vote for me so quickly will automatically have suspicion cast on them, along with pikk0n probably being lynched the next day.

In everyone's best interest, go for the tie now, and you'll see for yourself the stories that pikk0n has been falsely telling and who the real Mafia is.

[pikk0n]

Crazerk, the list that I'll give takes into account the ones who changed their votes unlike Benji's. You're now in favour forcing a tie. Another sign of inconsistency seeing that you were saying so strongly that ties mean nothing. The only thing that made you have a change in heart is because you know that since you're going down, it's best to bring me down during the day rather than waste the kill on me tonight.

Another item to add to the list. Seeing that there's only 1 vote left, I'd assume that all your mafia buds have voted. Also, I saw certain votes that were changed from you to me so they'd be assumed to be non-mafias. There are around 6 safe people excluding myself after today's votes.

[cruxis]

I think you're both citizens and the Mafia are lol'ing about this.

[pikk0n]

Cruxis, I think you're the joker.

[cruxis]

Come at me bro.

[pikk0n]

I have no full solid base for my argument on you being the joker just yet, cruxis. I shall dig around if I survive past tonight/day. At the moment, it's just a gut instinct.

[AvPoker]

Yeah I think Cruxis is the joker too. Don't lynch pikkon though, hes probably going to be vital to beating the mafia. Its not likely that he would be mafia if he wanted to force a tie.

[crAzerk]

Another sign of inconsistency seeing that you were saying so strongly that ties mean nothing.

I know what a tie means, but it seems like noone else understands it. So I might as well just go along with them if that's what it takes to get them to realize you're Mafia.

Don't waste your vote lynching a non-Mafia guys. Get pikk0n, if you don't believe I am not Mafia you can always get Informant to check me out.

[AvPoker]

Originally Posted by crAzerk

I know what a tie means, but it seems like noone else understands it. So I might as well just go along with them if that's what it takes to get them to realize you're Mafia.

Don't waste your vote lynching a non-Mafia guys. Get pikk0n, if you don't believe I am not Mafia you can always get Informant to check me out.

This is looking a bit suspicious to me, like your trying to defend yourself. I don't think we need to even need to reveal who the informant else he'll get killed by the mafia too soon.

[crAzerk]

This is looking a bit suspicious to me, like your trying to defend yourself.

You wouldn't be trying to defend yourself when some random dude tells a grand story to pin 6 votes on you?

[Benji]

I've got a meeting when I am supposed to update this, so it will be delayed by a few hours, apologies.

[Benji]

Sorry for the slow update, I couldn't update at 1am (48 hours after the start of the Daytime) and not be destroyed for work today

Crazerk has been killed by the Citizens. He was a Mafia.

1. nard - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
2. craZerk - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Mafia)
3. pikk0n - Voted for craZerk
4. LennX - Voted for Dandelion
5. DeathsFang - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Professional (Vigilante)
6. cruxis - Voted for pikk0n
7. Skrawl - Voted for craZerk
8. pokerface - Voted for craZerk
9. Rorschach - Voted for craZerk
10. HDPhoenix - Voted for SONATA
11. Next_rim - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Mafia (Citizen)
12. BakaInu - Voted for craZerk
13. jackwong - Voted for craZerk
14. tgun - Voted for pokerface
15. Paroxysm - Voted for pikk0n
16. Zanderax - Voted for pikk0n
17. Zergtastic - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Professional) *WINNER*
18. mustapusta - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Vigilante (Vigilante)
19. Dandelion - Voted for Screwby
20. SONATA - Voted for craZerk
21. Meatex - Voted for craZerk
22. Screwby

Screwby missed todays vote and will be killed if he misses the next day vote.

It is now Nighttime, players with Nighttime roles have 24 hours to message me their targets.

[Zanderax]

I vote pokerface because he was the last person to make a post and I can't be bothered to read anything else.

[AvPoker]

I vote Zanderax

[Benji]

You guys are awesome at skim reading, its Nighttime, Mafia/Informat/Doctor/Arsonist vote time.

[Paroxysm]

I'm assuming those votes mean sweet FA in the next daytime then?

[Benji]

They won't be counted even when its daytime, so yea, they mean absolutely nothing. Both of you will need to revote come daytime.

[crAzerk]

-bloodcurdling scream as citizens stomp over me-

Gg wp pikk0n, was rather unfortunate how things worked out. I would have made that same long night post regardless of what has jus previously transpired, but I suppose I should have had some more sense to wait after the heat was only just on me.

Still, I say it's unfortunate because much of what you said wasn't very valid as I've alr pointed out, but I guess ppl are lazy to verify stuff and will take what they get and after voting for me following your post, the status quo effect prevented them from switching.

I guess I should just post less in future games eh, seems to work well. Now heat is on pikk0n and youre gonna have to hope Doctor saves you all the time and he doesn't die either.

Glhf guys! See you next round!

[Benji]

The Mafia have failed to submit a hit on time.

1. nard - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
2. craZerk - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Mafia)
3. pikk0n
4. LennX
5. DeathsFang - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Professional (Vigilante)
6. cruxis
7. Skrawl
8. pokerface
9. Rorschach
10. HDPhoenix
11. Next_rim - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Mafia (Citizen)
12. BakaInu
13. jackwong
14. tgun
15. Paroxysm
16. Zanderax
17. Zergtastic - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Professional) *WINNER*
18. mustapusta - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Vigilante (Vigilante)
19. Dandelion
20. SONATA
21. Meatex
22. Screwby

It is now Daytime. Players have 48 hours to submit their daytime votes.

[pikk0n]

-.- Hmm..... failed to submit a hit?

The only inactive person is Screwby so my vote is going to him but then if he remains inactive in today's voting, Benji can kill him off without us having to waste a vote on him. XD

Seeing that I still feel that cruxis is the joker, I shall vote for Zanderax only because I am fairly sure that Parox isn't a mafia because he voted for crazerk on day 2.

[Benji]

Originally Posted by pikk0n

-.- Hmm..... failed to submit a hit?

The only inactive person is Screwby so my vote is going to him but then if he remains inactive in today's voting, Benji can kill him off without us having to waste a vote on him. XD

Seeing that I still feel that cruxis is the joker, I shall vote for Zanderax only because I am fairly sure that Parox isn't a mafia because he voted for crazerk on day 2.

Just want to clarify that 4 Mafia players are still alive, and any of the 4 could have submitted a hit, but failed to do so.

[AvPoker]

Voting for Zanderax again.

[iM tgun]

Still voting for pokerface

[pikk0n]

Oh wow, benji... ALL 4 failed to submit a hit?? Ok.... I'll keep my vote for now though but wow.... all 4?

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by pikk0n

Oh wow, benji... ALL 4 failed to submit a hit?? Ok.... I'll keep my vote for now though but wow.... all 4?

I believe if 2+ fail to submit it fails due to lack of majority.

[pikk0n]

tgun, benji just said that if any of the 4 could submit a hit, they would have hit someone but they failed to do so. I assume from that statement that none of the 4 PMed Benji. Seemed that crazerk was their only active mafia....

[Benji]

Its not a vote thing, Mafia discuss via PM who to kill and I get a message from one of the Mafias.

[iM tgun]

Oh, ok....

[LennX]

Still voting for Dandelion

[Paroxysm]

Because pigs CANT fly (unless i'm seriously missing something), and I am also confused as to who is what at this stage, I will follow the trend and vote Zanderax.

[cruxis]

Now we analyse the posts and votes to see who Crazerk was working with.

[Meatex]

Hmm well i think this mean that screwby almost certainly a mafia but like pikkon said he will die from inactivity...
pikkon always seems to know whats going on, hope he isn't mafia and the crazerk v pikkon thing wasn't staged otherwise we are boned.
As it was a failed to hit we gotta look at who was inactive recently apart from screwby
pokerface and zanderax are out...
tgun and pikkon too
pikkon thinks cruxis is joker and he has at least been right so far though i think if zanderax was mafia they wouldn't have missed the hit
i don't think it's paroxysm...

I will vote dandelion as he seems to have been inactive recently but not so inactive that he is likely to have benji kill him off

[Zanderax]

Vote dandelion

[pikk0n]

Who is sc2mkp?

[Dandelion]

I hope you going off the logic that I'm the arsonist, if not then your reason for voting for me is silly, you said yourself I'm active enough as to not get mod killed, meaning I'm active enough to send in a night action.
I also voted for screwby yesterday, i'll be a pretty dumb mafia if I voted for fellow members before they were revealed.

I'm sorry I can't follow this game and reply to every post, but yeah vote me off teh island it'll be fine nothing bad will happen. :3

[HDPhoenix]

mm... a lead finally... Still, its abit random for now. I'll remain neutral and vote someone not on the radar for now and yet hasnt been really active, Jackwong

[Benji]

1. nard - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
2. craZerk - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Mafia)
3. pikk0n - Voted for Zanderax
4. LennX - Voted for Dandelion
5. DeathsFang - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Professional (Vigilante)
6. cruxis
7. Skrawl - Voted for Dandelion
8. pokerface - Voted for Zanderax
9. Rorschach
10. HDPhoenix - Voted for jackwong
11. Next_rim - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Mafia (Citizen)
12. BakaInu
13. jackwong
14. tgun - Voted for pokerface
15. Paroxysm - Voted for Zanderax
16. Zanderax - Voted for Dandelion
17. Zergtastic - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Professional) *WINNER*
18. mustapusta - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Vigilante (Vigilante)
19. Dandelion
20. SONATA - Voted for Dandelion
21. Meatex - Voted for Dandelion
22. Screwby

5 Votes for Dandelion
3 Votes for Zanderax
1 Vote for pokerface
1 Vote for jackwong

[SONATA]

i will go wif dandellion then

[ToRskrawL]

I vote for Dandelion for his inactivity

[cruxis]

I will vote dandelion because everyone else is.

[AvPoker]

Dont lynch dandelion, hes doctor. I'm infornmant so I know. Cruxis is also clean.

[LennX]

Originally Posted by pokerface

Dont lynch dandelion, hes doctor. I'm infornmant so I know. Cruxis is also clean.

Then who is arsonist? I find it surprising that you will declare who is the doctor so early. Since no one can save the doctor. And of the mafia kills the doctor in the night, the citizens are screwed. basically we have to depend on the arsonist now?

[iM tgun]

Switching my vote to Zanderax

[cruxis]

Well, that's some interesting information.

Unvote dandelion, vote Zanderax

[Dandelion]

oh wow why does this version of mafia seem to just revolve around bandwagons?

@Skrawl you should have just said you were following, cos if you haven't noticed I did post with in this day so yeah.
I'll vote for you later when I feel more safe.

@ Lennx: did you really think I was the Arsonist? i'm not even sure you read my posts, I pretty much called myself the arsonist, why would I do that if I really was?

@Pokerface: nice now i'm dead either way D<

I don't think the following players are anything to be worried about Pokerface & HDPhoenix.

[Benji]

1. nard - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
2. craZerk - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Mafia)
3. pikk0n - Voted for Zanderax
4. LennX - Voted for Dandelion
5. DeathsFang - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Professional (Vigilante)
6. cruxis - Voted for Zanderax
7. Skrawl - Voted for Dandelion
8. pokerface - Voted for Zanderax
9. Rorschach
10. HDPhoenix - Voted for jackwong
11. Next_rim - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Mafia (Citizen)
12. BakaInu
13. jackwong
14. tgun - Voted for Zanderax
15. Paroxysm - Voted for Zanderax
16. Zanderax - Voted for Dandelion
17. Zergtastic - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Professional) *WINNER*
18. mustapusta - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Vigilante (Vigilante)
19. Dandelion
20. SONATA - Voted for Dandelion
21. Meatex - Voted for Dandelion
22. Screwby

5 Votes for Dandelion
5 Votes for Zanderax
1 Vote for jackwong

[jackwong]

I'll vote for dandelion, follow the people

[LennX]

The problem is that I find it funny how pokerface will declare you to have such an important role. He should at least fake out by saying that you are a survivor or citizen and thus giving you a lower priority for the mafia to kill.

[Dandelion]

@LennX: umm whats that got to do with anything? He pretty much sent me to my death anyways. if I don't die today then the mafia will kill me off tonight, & if i manage to live past tonight then you will most likely lead tomorrows lynch agenst me.
Your post isn't really working, i mean common would a mafia member really claim a role that can be counted, like you said the smart thing would have been if he said i was just a citizen then no one could have proven otherwise.


@Jackwong: your following the people yet you had to pick from two people why vote for me?

[LennX]

@Dandelion: That is why I find it weird. It's either pokerface is really the informant which just means he just caused his own death at night or he is just trolling. Need more time to think on it.


@Benji: Can I change my vote from Dandelion to no one for the moment?

[BaKaiNu]

Zanderax. Because I had a grudge on him for voting me the last round. :P

[AvPoker]

Well at least lynch someone else other than dandelion so we might lose 1 non-mafia instead of two. We might also lynch a mafia if we lynch someone else. So its win-win.

[ToRskrawL]

I switch to Zanderax

[Benji]

Zanderax has been killed by the Citizens. He was a Mafia.

Screwby has been killed from Inactivity. He was a Mafia.

1. nard - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
2. craZerk - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Mafia)
3. pikk0n - Voted for Zanderax
4. LennX
5. DeathsFang - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Professional (Vigilante)
6. cruxis - Voted for Zanderax
7. Skrawl - Voted for Zanderax
8. pokerface - Voted for Zanderax
9. Rorschach
10. HDPhoenix - Voted for jackwong
11. Next_rim - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Mafia (Citizen)
12. BakaInu - Voted for Zanderax
13. jackwong - Voted for Dandelion
14. tgun - Voted for Zanderax
15. Paroxysm - Voted for Zanderax
16. Zanderax - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Mafia)
17. Zergtastic - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Professional) *WINNER*
18. mustapusta - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Vigilante (Vigilante)
19. Dandelion
20. SONATA - Voted for Dandelion
21. Meatex - Voted for Dandelion
22. Screwby - ***DEAD*** Killed by Inactivity (Mafia)

Dandelion, LennX and Rorchach have missed todays vote and will be killed if they miss the next Day vote.

It is now Nighttime, players have 24 hours to PM me their nighttime target.

[AvPoker]

Oh shit >.>

[ToRDeathsFang]

3 mafia dead, not bad. You citizens are some lucky bastards

[Benji]

Dandelion has been killed by the Mafia. He is the Informat.

1. nard - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
2. craZerk - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Mafia)
3. pikk0n
4. LennX
5. DeathsFang - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Professional (Vigilante)
6. cruxis
7. Skrawl
8. pokerface
9. Rorschach
10. HDPhoenix
11. Next_rim - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Mafia (Citizen)
12. BakaInu
13. jackwong
14. tgun
15. Paroxysm
16. Zanderax - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Mafia)
17. Zergtastic - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Professional) *WINNER*
18. mustapusta - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Vigilante (Vigilante)
19. Dandelion - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Mafia (Informat)
20. SONATA
21. Meatex
22. Screwby - ***DEAD*** Killed by Inactivity (Mafia)

It is now Daytime. Players have 48 hours to submit their Daytime votes.

[LennX]

Hmmm so is pokerface a mafia or the joker?

[cruxis]

So our doctor is still alive. I'm hoping the majority of the people the arsonist has splashed have already died.

Pokerface claiming Informant when he wasn't is awfully suspicious. So i will Vote Pokerface

[iM tgun]

Vote pokerface

[nirvAnA]

wait why is pokerface still alive i thought he gets voted off every game first round lol

[ToRskrawL]

P-p-p-poker face

I choose you

[AvPoker]

Okay, I admit that I lied about being informant, but I was actually working with Dandelion in secret knowing that if the informant revealed himself so openly, he would get killed by mafia or arsonist and we would stop having the ability to check other people. I was hoping that the mafia would hit me instead, but unfortunately they hit Dandelion instead. Right now we should try to lynch carefully and pick out that last mafia for the win.

[HDPhoenix]

I strongly believe Pokerface is the joker, due to his post history (previously stirring the pot in the pikkon vs crazerk series) and now with the 'informant' role. It was just pure luck that Zanderax really was a mafia cause at that point, I didn't see any clear indication he was. Poker basically shredded Dandelion, cause the Mafia would eventually go for him (which did happen), and Poker will be revealed as lying.

Why would Poker do that if he knew he would be caught lying?

Of the 3 that didn't vote (and Mafia seems inactive), Dandelion was killed and Lennx was just undecisive... That leaves Rorchach so that's my vote.

[ToRskrawL]

Yea I agree with HD switch to Rorshach

[LennX]

yea that makes sense.

Vote Rorshach

[AvPoker]

Voting for Rorshach

[pikk0n]

HD, I don't recall pokerface stirring the pot at all. It was mainly full on bickering between crazerk and I ignoring the rest of you. LOL! As for Zanderax, it wasn't pure luck. I knew based on the voting patterns but that was the past and seeing that we have killed 3 mafia, the mafia is losing. If you really want me to get down into the reasons for my suspicions, PM me but it wouldn't really matter. As of now, I haven't got any clear clue (heh... reminds me of South Park's Hardly Boys and their RAGING clues. LOL!) as to whom I should vote for. The obvious mafias are gone and I've got some whom I'm just 50-50 so I am going to sit back and wait for a convincing argument. Of course, I am not going to miss a vote the way some players have been doing lately... Lots of inactivity since the departure of crazerk... I feel that it may have been a bad idea to kill crazerk off so early just for the sakes of this game. LOL! Nevertheless, we've hit a wall where the informant is dead and lynches are back to being rather random with only 2 mafia members remaining.

[crAzerk]

Lots of inactivity since the departure of crazerk... I feel that it may have been a bad idea to kill crazerk off so early just for the sakes of this game. LOL!

I know I am dead, but I just have to thumbs this up

[Paroxysm]

voting Rorschach due to his inactivity and the lack of mafia votes last nighttime. It kind of fits in doesnt it?

[cruxis]

It Does. unvote pokerface, vote rorschach.

[Benji]

1. nard - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
2. craZerk - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Mafia)
3. pikk0n
4. LennX - Voted for Rorschach
5. DeathsFang - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Professional (Vigilante)
6. cruxis - - Voted for Rorschach
7. Skrawl - Voted for Rorschach
8. pokerface - Voted for Rorschach
9. Rorschach
10. HDPhoenix - Voted for Rorschach
11. Next_rim - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Mafia (Citizen)
12. BakaInu
13. jackwong
14. tgun - Voted for pokerface
15. Paroxysm - Voted for Rorschach
16. Zanderax - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Mafia)
17. Zergtastic - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Professional) *WINNER*
18. mustapusta - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Vigilante (Vigilante)
19. Dandelion - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Mafia (Informat)
20. SONATA
21. Meatex
22. Screwby - ***DEAD*** Killed by Inactivity (Mafia)

6 Votes for Rorschach

[SONATA]

go rorschach! i am voting ya.

[pikk0n]

Hmm.... I might go for Rorshach then.

[BaKaiNu]

Rorshach. I'm never the trendstarter, just the trend follower. :P

[Meatex]

if rorshach is so inactive he may get killed by benji so will vote pokerface

[Benji]

1. nard - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
2. craZerk - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Mafia)
3. pikk0n - Voted for Rorschach
4. LennX - Voted for Rorschach
5. DeathsFang - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Professional (Vigilante)
6. cruxis - - Voted for Rorschach
7. Skrawl - Voted for Rorschach
8. pokerface - Voted for Rorschach
9. Rorschach
10. HDPhoenix - Voted for Rorschach
11. Next_rim - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Mafia (Citizen)
12. BakaInu- Voted for Rorschach
13. jackwong - Voted for Rorschach
14. tgun - Voted for pokerface
15. Paroxysm - Voted for Rorschach
16. Zanderax - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Mafia)
17. Zergtastic - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Professional) *WINNER*
18. mustapusta - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Vigilante (Vigilante)
19. Dandelion - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Mafia (Informat)
20. SONATA- Voted for Rorschach
21. Meatex - Voted for pokerface
22. Screwby - ***DEAD*** Killed by Inactivity (Mafia)

10 Votes for Rorschach
2 Votes for pokerface

[jackwong]

I'll follow the rest vote for Rorschach

[EveRorschach]

I've been inactive due to flying to thailand lol, meanies. I'm thinking pokerface and HD are mafia, so look for them after I'm lynched. Also, I'm actually the doctor but since I'm dead already - I saved cruxis first night where no one died, so he probably isnt mafia, the rest I've missed. Anyways, vote pokerface. Goodluck!

[HDPhoenix]

Originally Posted by Rorschach

I've been inactive due to flying to thailand lol, meanies. I'm thinking pokerface and HD are mafia, so look for them after I'm lynched. Also, I'm actually the doctor but since I'm dead already - I saved cruxis first night where no one died, so he probably isnt mafia, the rest I've missed. Anyways, vote pokerface. Goodluck!

You could have just let us know you were travelling...

[Benji]

Rorschach has been killed by the Citizens. He was the Doctor.

1. nard - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
2. craZerk - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Mafia)
3. pikk0n - Voted for Rorschach
4. LennX - Voted for Rorschach
5. DeathsFang - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Professional (Vigilante)
6. cruxis - - Voted for Rorschach
7. Skrawl - Voted for Rorschach
8. pokerface - Voted for Rorschach
9. Rorschach - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Doctor)
10. HDPhoenix - Voted for Rorschach
11. Next_rim - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Mafia (Citizen)
12. BakaInu- Voted for Rorschach
13. jackwong - Voted for Rorschach
14. tgun - Voted for pokerface
15. Paroxysm - Voted for Rorschach
16. Zanderax - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Mafia)
17. Zergtastic - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Professional) *WINNER*
18. mustapusta - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Vigilante (Vigilante)
19. Dandelion - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Mafia (Informat)
20. SONATA- Voted for Rorschach
21. Meatex - Voted for pokerface
22. Screwby - ***DEAD*** Killed by Inactivity (Mafia)


It is now Nighttime. Players have 24 hours to submit their Nighttime hits.

On a sidenote, everyone saying how 'inactive' Rorschach is, just wanted to note he was always one of the first to submit the nighttime protection, and hasn't missed one yet

[Paroxysm]

Originally Posted by Benji

On a sidenote, everyone saying how 'inactive' Rorschach is, just wanted to note he was always one of the first to submit the nighttime protection, and hasn't missed one yet

If only you let us know earlier, you could've saved a high quality doctor

[ToRDeathsFang]

I know i'm dead but i'll just remind everyone there's still an Arsonist that has probably been dousing people in fuel this whole time. There could be up to 5 deaths tommorow if he feels like it.

[nard]

Originally Posted by DeathsFang

I know i'm dead but i'll just remind everyone there's still an Arsonist that has probably been dousing people in fuel this whole time. There could be up to 5 deaths tommorow if he feels like it.

clearly against game rules

[Benji]

Cruxis has been set on Fire. He was a Citizen.

Tgun has been set on Fire. He was a Citizen.

mustapusta has been set on Fire. He was already Dead.

Crazerk has been set on Fire. He was already Dead.

The Mafia have attempted to kill Tgun, however he was already dead.

1. nard - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
2. craZerk - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Mafia)
3. pikk0n
4. LennX
5. DeathsFang - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Professional (Vigilante)
6. cruxis - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Arsonist (Citizen)
7. Skrawl
8. pokerface
9. Rorschach - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Doctor)
10. HDPhoenix
11. Next_rim - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Mafia (Citizen)
12. BakaInu
13. jackwong
14. tgun - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Arsonist (Citizen)
15. Paroxysm
16. Zanderax - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Mafia)
17. Zergtastic - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Professional) *WINNER*
18. mustapusta - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Vigilante (Vigilante)
19. Dandelion - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Mafia (Informat)
20. SONATA
21. Meatex
22. Screwby - ***DEAD*** Killed by Inactivity (Mafia)

It is now Daytime. Players have 48 hours to submit their Daytime votes.

[LennX]

Apparently dead bodies ain't respected here since the arsonist dug up the dig bodies and set them on fire.

[ToRDeathsFang]

Originally Posted by LennX

Apparently dead bodies ain't respected here since the arsonist dug up the dig bodies and set them on fire.

Only because it was mustapusta and crAzerk

+ [click me] +

jk i you both

[pikk0n]

LOL@mafias stabbing a burnt up body.... I can't be the only one who finds that hilarious!

tgun seems to be hated by everyone....

[Meatex]

hmmm so pokerface claimed to be informant but wasn't and I'm thinking HD may be right that he is the joker... though pikkon thinks otherwise and he has been more right than HD :P
Part of me is no thinking Pikkon is one of the remaining mafia but he has been active the whole game. Though if he is mafia then the crazerk v pikkon thing was staged which seems very cunning so perhaps mafia missed the vote on purpose or they had screwby as the guy who would submit the kills?

I will vote pikkon for now as he has shown to be quite clever and cunning and i haven't really got anything else to go on as of yet

[pikk0n]

Benji, I am not voting yet. Just saving your time going through my post.

I have to say that the killing of Cruxis proved me entirely wrong. As of now, I have no clue as to who the joker is... We know that the informant and the doctor are dead so pokerface is neither. I am inclined to agree with HD in his theory that pokerface is the joker.

As for the remaining mafia, I have absolutely no clue but we've also got to realise that the arsonist has made his move. If my memory doesn't fail me, both the mafia and the arsonist have killed an equal number of people. Both sides have killed 2 players.... The arsonist and the last mafia will be difficult to figure out but Meatex, I have one question for you.

If I were a mafia, I may have had some disagreement and decided that it was best if I got rid of Crazerk early by staging that. Fair enough. That will also explain how I got rid of Screwby because he was inactive and was most probably the cause for the missed kill on the day. However, there is no proper explanation as to why I would get rid of Zanderax to have just 2 of us remaining. I'd need someone to take the fall for me by even after ratting out Screwby and Crazerk.

As for my list that I was going to compile after Crazerk's death, it was a list of people safe from being seen as a mafia. These are the ones who voted for Crazerk on days 2 and 3. They are jackwong and Rorshach. Rorshach is now seen as the doctor so I really doubt that jackwong is in the mafia. Jackwong it's safe to say, isn't part of the mafia.

Now if you look at the players who have voted off 2 mafias, you'd find jackwong (crazerk AND Zanderax), skrawl (crazerk and Zanderax), pokerface (crazerk and Zanderax) and BakaInu (crazerk and Zanderax). So I wouldn't be voting for these people during the daytime lynch. Then there's Parox who voted for Crazerk on Day 2 without my initiation and later on voted for Zanderax, so I am fairly sure that he is not the mafia. So of the people alive atm who are at least 70% non-mafia (myself excluded), you've got jackwong, skrawl, bakainu, pokerface and parox. That's 50% of the remaining players. Today's vote will be important. Kill a non-mafia, one of you will die so the mafia can gain an upperhand in tomorrow's votes through very convincing arguments. I can assure you that I would NOT vote for the 5 of you but you'll have to guide me. Tell me whom I should vote for because I am rather clueless. You'd better work together and figure things out while you have a slight advantage here.

The rest are iffy because it is just as well that Crazerk's fellow mafia members would have seen my argument too convincing and decided to sacrifice him. The first sign is when Zanderax voted for Crazerk and quickly switched the vote to me, so there is definitely some kind of an internal concensus going on amongst the mafia that Crazerk is worth the sacrifice and shouldn't be saved. Cruxis and Parox are the only remaining members who voted for me after Zanderax and Cruxis is a citizen. I am inclined to believe that Parox is a non-mafia too (check previous paragraph). From that one day, it is seen that Crazerk's band of mafias contain a couple of rather cunning members themselves too so I wouldn't rule out the people who voted for Crazerk on Day 3 to be part of his mafia family.

I have to say that I am curious as to why you kept your vote on Dandelion on day 3 instead of Zanderax but I don't think that really matters... So far, my judgement is just being based off players who has only voted for 1 mafia or none.... Since Cruxis is proven to be not a joker, I don't trust my judgement and will let you guys cast the first.... um... second stone. I will say that I am a player of round 3 and I am NOT a doctor, informant, professional or vigilante. I will put forth arguments to defend myself when accused and I will rely on the rest of you to make your own judgement. I shall bear no grudge whatsoever. I will however vote for the person whom I agree is a possible mafia depending on the arguments put forth. Not going to agree fully with random lynching but hey, if the crowd goes along with that, I don't really have a choice but to tag along.

Quick Comments

ToRDeathsFang:

Just for being so long

[LennX]

huge wall of text and that edit hmmm. What mistake did you made?

[Benji]

Around 12 hours until voting closes and only 1 vote in so far. I don't know the strategies you guys are doing as far as voting goes, but missing votes isnt a good thing.

[iM tgun]

Desecrating my body T_T

[pikk0n]

Lol... tgun. They should make it real epic for you by introducing the rapist for some really sick body desecration.... the feature of this mafia round has been the night time miss kills...

[Paroxysm]

I have nothing at all to go on from what has been said :/

[pikk0n]

LOL! Today's the day we're all stumped.... Give me a name of someone to vote for.... C'mon... we've got 2 mafia and 1 arsonist remaining... Then the joker and survivor left.... That's 5 people siding with the mafia for now because they wouldn't win the game if we kill the mafia off now. One thing for sure is only one will die tonight seeing that the arsonist has already burned his victims.

[Paroxysm]

vote Jackwong. Only really based on the fact that I have hardly seen him post.. On page 15 I noticed that all he wrote was, "I'll follow the rest,voting Rorschach". If he's just following the rest, perhaps its slightly suspicious that he hasn't been trying to draw suspicion to himself (if thats possible!)

[SONATA]

voting jackwong too

[AvPoker]

Voting jackwong

[LennX]

voting for pokerface since he was the last to vote.

[Paroxysm]

lol Lenn, you don't like to take sides do you :O

[pikk0n]

LOL! If I were to vote for jackwong, I'd be contradicting my whole argument and also I promised to not vote for the 5 listed..... Sorry, joker... not voting for ya...

[LennX]

I just dont wanna get killed by the joker :P

[BaKaiNu]

Voting for HDPhoenix, based on Pikkon's theory as HDPhoenix have never voted for a single dead mafia. It is a better clue than randoming voting as of Paroxysm's or Meatex's non-calculative method.

Furthermore, HDPhoenix started the lynch on Roschach which turned out.... as we know it, horrible.

I'm not too much of a writer like Pikkon or Crazerk. :P

Therefore, HDPhoenix is my vote.

[jason]

I wish to join the next game

[pikk0n]

Hmm... Good enough reason for me... HDPhoenix it is...

[jackwong]

I'll vote fpr HDPhoenix

[ToRskrawL]

I like to follow the crowd

HDPhoenix

[Paroxysm]

in that case, vote change to HDPhoenix

[Benji]

HDPhoenix has been killed by the Citizens. He was a Citizen.

1. nard - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
2. craZerk - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Mafia)
3. pikk0n - Voted for HDPhoenix
4. LennX - Voted for pokerface
5. DeathsFang - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Professional (Vigilante)
6. cruxis - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Arsonist (Citizen)
7. Skrawl - Voted for HDPhoenix
8. pokerface - Voted for jackwong
9. Rorschach - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Doctor)
10. HDPhoenix - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
11. Next_rim - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Mafia (Citizen)
12. BakaInu - Voted for HDPhoenix
13. jackwong - Voted for HDPhoenix
14. tgun - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Arsonist (Citizen)
15. Paroxysm - Voted for HDPhoenix
16. Zanderax - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Mafia)
17. Zergtastic - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Professional) *WINNER*
18. mustapusta - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Vigilante (Vigilante)
19. Dandelion - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Mafia (Informat)
20. SONATA - Voted for jackwong
21. Meatex - Voted for pikk0n
22. Screwby - ***DEAD*** Killed by Inactivity (Mafia)

It is now Nighttime. Players have 24 hours to submit their Nighttime hits.

[Dandelion]

I like how no one read my posts & killed off someone I said was clean GJ guys

[LennX]

Originally Posted by Dandelion

I like how no one read my posts & killed off someone I said was clean GJ guys

You have to BOLD your words next time. Or some other things to make ti more outstanding :P

[pikk0n]

-.- seriously? I can't believe I did not see that.... -.- GAH! I only read up to the part where you said pokerface killed you and didn't bother reading the last sentence... AHHH!!!!!!

[HDPhoenix]

Even in my grave, I'm /facepalm how bandwagon everyone is. I remained neutral the whole time and the one time I made an argument, it was based on solid leads. Shrug, mafia is playing smart, whoever you guys are.

I mean... ArrrrrrrrrrrrrrGhhh *as knife sticks out the back*

[Benji]

BakaInu has been killed by the Mafia. He is a Citizen.

1. nard - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
2. craZerk - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Mafia)
3. pikk0n
4. LennX
5. DeathsFang - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Professional (Vigilante)
6. cruxis - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Arsonist (Citizen)
7. Skrawl
8. pokerface
9. Rorschach - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Doctor)
10. HDPhoenix - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
11. Next_rim - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Mafia (Citizen)
12. BakaInu - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Mafia (Citizen)
13. jackwong
14. tgun - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Arsonist (Citizen)
15. Paroxysm
16. Zanderax - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Mafia)
17. Zergtastic - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Professional) *WINNER*
18. mustapusta - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Vigilante (Vigilante)
19. Dandelion - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Mafia (Informat)
20. SONATA
21. Meatex
22. Screwby - ***DEAD*** Killed by Inactivity (Mafia)

It is now Daytime. Players have 48 hours to submit their Daytime votes.

[Benji]

Roles left in the game:

3 Citizens
2 Mafia
1 Survivor
1 Joker
1 Arsonist

Who will win?

[Meatex]

well this time i'm going to throw the first stone at jackwong
pikkon made a point that sacraficing a second mafia after crazerk is tactically pointless though i feel like he may be the joker...
jackwong seems to typically post very simply and waits to see where the trend is going. He likely wants to avoid drawing attention to himself until 3 or 4 people left
so vote jackwong

[Paroxysm]

I personally agree with meatex. We are at a stage where this vote is incredibly important. and Meatex presents a valuabe point. vote jackwong. If Jackwong isn't one of the mafia, and is in fact a citizen (which is unlikely) I personally think that the next possible mafia would be either SONATA, pokerface or skrawl, but that is basically a mix of guesswork and a bit of deduction made from the last few days of voting.

[AvPoker]

Voting for jackwong

[SONATA]

voting jackwong then.

[LennX]

Still voting for pokerface =D

[ToRskrawL]

I vote for Paroxysm because when it was Pikkon v Crazerk he tried to force a tie and he is already trying to pin the votes on other people if Jackwong is not the mafia. Also his evidence he pinned on Jackwong is not strong enough to make me vote for him.

[Paroxysm]

Originally Posted by Skrawl

I vote for Paroxysm because when it was Pikkon v Crazerk he tried to force a tie and he is already trying to pin the votes on other people if Jackwong is not the mafia. Also his evidence he pinned on Jackwong is not strong enough to make me vote for him.

If you notice, most of the time I am following up someone else's vote with my views towards it and either agreeing or disagreeing. If you honestly want to vote me out go for it, but trust me, you'll make it a lot harder for yourself in the long run.

[pikk0n]

I don't believe that jackwong is the mafia based on what I said earlier and certainly not pokerface. The death of HD proved that..... If only I had read what Dandelion posted before he died. LOL! Seeing that Baka, one of the 5 is dead and you guys turning on each other, I'll let your votes decide his fate and go for Sonata based on his voting pattern and a gut feel. My gut feel has failed me lately so don't trust it fully. My early luck is gone. Now it's more random.... -.-

[jackwong]

Vote for Lennx

[ToRskrawL]

If anything jackwong is the survivor he's just playing neutral and following the bandwagon all the time.

[ToRskrawL]

I switch my vote for lennx since he has not been voting for any mafia so far and is constantly voting for pokerface even though we know he is most likely the joker.

[pikk0n]

I shall unvote seeing skrawl's interesting development...

[LennX]

Really? Its called playing it safe just in case pokerface is not the joker as we suspected.

[Meatex]

i'm not so convinced that pokerface is joke, still part of me thinking its pikkon...
Still keeping my vote on jackwong as he is doing exactly what I did in Mafia round 1 when i was a mafia

[Benji]

Jackwong has been killed by the Citizens. He was a Survivor.

1. nard - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
2. craZerk - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Mafia)
3. pikk0n - Voted for Sonata
4. LennX - Voted for pokerface
5. DeathsFang - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Professional (Vigilante)
6. cruxis - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Arsonist (Citizen)
7. Skrawl - Voted for Paroxysm
8. pokerface - Voted for jackwong
9. Rorschach - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Doctor)
10. HDPhoenix - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
11. Next_rim - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Mafia (Citizen)
12. BakaInu - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Mafia (Citizen)
13. jackwong - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Survivor)
14. tgun - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Arsonist (Citizen)
15. Paroxysm - Voted for jackwong
16. Zanderax - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Mafia)
17. Zergtastic - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Professional) *WINNER*
18. mustapusta - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Vigilante (Vigilante)
19. Dandelion - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Mafia (Informat)
20. SONATA - Voted for jackwong
21. Meatex - Voted for jackwong
22. Screwby - ***DEAD*** Killed by Inactivity (Mafia)

It is now Nighttime, players have 24 hours to submit their Nighttime votes.

On a sidenote, I am ignoring any 'Unvoting' Pikk0n, you can change your vote, but unvoting is just stupid.

[Meatex]

geezus now my face is red
thought he was mafia because his acting was just like mine in round 1 :S
Have I been right this round at all? ^.^;;

[Benji]

Lennx has been set on Fire. He is a Mafia.

Skrawl has been killed by the Mafia. He is a Citizen.

1. nard - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
2. craZerk - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Mafia)
3. pikk0n
4. LennX - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Arsonist (Mafia)
5. DeathsFang - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Professional (Vigilante)
6. cruxis - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Arsonist (Citizen)
7. Skrawl- ***DEAD*** Killed by the Mafia (Citizen)
8. pokerface
9. Rorschach - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Doctor)
10. HDPhoenix - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
11. Next_rim - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Mafia (Citizen)
12. BakaInu - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Mafia (Citizen)
13. jackwong - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Survivor)
14. tgun - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Arsonist (Citizen)
15. Paroxysm
16. Zanderax - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Mafia)
17. Zergtastic - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Professional) *WINNER*
18. mustapusta - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Vigilante (Vigilante)
19. Dandelion - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Mafia (Informat)
20. SONATA
21. Meatex
22. Screwby - ***DEAD*** Killed by Inactivity (Mafia)

It is now Daytime, Players have 48 hours to submit their Daytime votes.

2 Citizens
1 Mafia
1 Arsonist
1 Joker

Who will win?

[LennX]

Nooooooo I thought I had my flame retardant suit on

[Meatex]

hmmm so scrawl calls out lennx then promptly dies but lennx gets burned by arsonist
I believe that Sonata and pokerface are at least not citizens but my reasoning has been totally retarded it seems
That said I think arsonist went after Lennx and only person he was pulling for was pokerface so this leads me to think perhaps arsonist didn't want him leading a lynch against him so figured he should take him out quick. The same reasoning could be applied to pikkon who was easily swayed by the "pokerface is the joker" argument despite not having nothing to back this up

Though neither would have had a reason to draw attention to lennx if they were mafia so I am certain pokerface and pikkon are not mafia. My money is on SONATA as the final mafia but at the moment I think the arsonist is the greatest threat. If we get him the mafia will not be able to hide after killing the joker or a citizen

So i vote pokerface
baring any solid arguments from others

[Paroxysm]

I'm going to support who I think is a citizen, that being meatex.. Vote Pokerface. If i'm wrong with this vote then I really have nothing else to help aid in the voting process at this time..

[AvPoker]

I find it suspicious that Meatex is always the first to vote while being followed by paroxysm. I don't know who the other citizen is but if you vote me, were definitely going to lose. Meatex or Paroxysm is most likely mafia, with the other being either arsonist or joker. We have to vote for Meatex if we want any hope of winning.

[Paroxysm]

Realistically, if we have no idea who to vote for, we should bring up a tie... It gives us a higher chance of finding someone who is not a citizen. Change vote to SONATA

[pikk0n]

Meatex. Pokerface pretended to be the informant and as we can all see now, dandelion is the informant and he revealed that both hd and Pokerface are not arsonist or mafia. The death of hd proved that. Based on this, I am still certain that Pokerface is the joker or even if he isn't the joker, he is most certainly not a killer. Your arguments however, Meatex is full of holes. You said you're certain that Pokerface and I aren't mafia yet voted for Pokerface??? I find you more sus than sonata now that lennx is dead. The last active mafia should be more talkative now and sonata has remained quiet. You have instead been leading lunches but your arguments have holes. They are more like random lynches rather than facts. Due to the inconsistency, I feel that you're the mafia. Killing the mafia today is important because the arsonist can't kill anyone tonight. He just used last night to burn his victim. If the mafia dies today, we can have the full four of us voting tomorrow and a higher chance to kill the arsonist.

So far the five safe people I mentioned have been reduced to two and all have been non mafia. It's fifty fifty between sonata and Meatex but I feel that Meatex is the mafia based on his lynches. It's unfortunate that you guys trusted him and killed the survivor yesterday rather than reading skrawl's post. I have a stronger feeling for Meatex so my vote goes to Meatex. You are the last remaining mafia.

[Paroxysm]

Just putting it out there - I have strong reason to believe that SONATA is the arsonist. If you are certain that meatex is the mafia, then tomorrow we HAVE to vote for SONATA.

If pokerface is the joker (which we are almost certain he is after his earlier escapades);
Meatex is the Mafia (which we can assume based on his voting patterns and inconsistency of lynching facts)
and I am a citizen.. (clearly i know.. hard to prove to everyone else though)
That leaves two spots for the Arsonist, pikk0n or SONATA. (Realistically, pikk0n has presented more useful information for lynches and SONATA has been reasonably quiet when voting at stages throughout this game).

Dunno if that makes the situation easier to understand.. Its kind of a process of elimination and that's my view of it, however it could be wrong.

[SONATA]

i vote meatex then... still no idea how to bold thing after playin so
many rounds...

[Benji]

Select the text you want bolded.
Press CTRL+B

[Benji]

Meatex has been killed by the Citizens. He was a Mafia.

1. nard - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
2. craZerk - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Mafia)
3. pikk0n - Voted for Meatex
4. LennX - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Arsonist (Mafia)
5. DeathsFang - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Professional (Vigilante)
6. cruxis - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Arsonist (Citizen)
7. Skrawl- ***DEAD*** Killed by the Mafia (Citizen)
8. pokerface - Voted for Meatex
9. Rorschach - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Doctor)
10. HDPhoenix - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
11. Next_rim - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Mafia (Citizen)
12. BakaInu - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Mafia (Citizen)
13. jackwong - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Survivor)
14. tgun - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Arsonist (Citizen)
15. Paroxysm - Voted for SONATA
16. Zanderax - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Mafia)
17. Zergtastic - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Professional) *WINNER*
18. mustapusta - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Vigilante (Vigilante)
19. Dandelion - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Mafia (Informat)
20. SONATA - Voted for Meatex
21. Meatex - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Mafia)
22. Screwby - ***DEAD*** Killed by Inactivity (Mafia)

It is now Nighttime, the Arsonist has 24 hours to submit their Nighttime Action.

[Meatex]

guess i pushed too hard :P

[Benji]

1. nard - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
2. craZerk - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Mafia)
3. pikk0n
4. LennX - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Arsonist (Mafia)
5. DeathsFang - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Professional (Vigilante)
6. cruxis - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Arsonist (Citizen)
7. Skrawl- ***DEAD*** Killed by the Mafia (Citizen)
8. pokerface
9. Rorschach - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Doctor)
10. HDPhoenix - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
11. Next_rim - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Mafia (Citizen)
12. BakaInu - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Mafia (Citizen)
13. jackwong - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Survivor)
14. tgun - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Arsonist (Citizen)
15. Paroxysm
16. Zanderax - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Mafia)
17. Zergtastic - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Professional) *WINNER*
18. mustapusta - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Vigilante (Vigilante)
19. Dandelion - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Mafia (Informat)
20. SONATA
21. Meatex - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Mafia)
22. Screwby - ***DEAD*** Killed by Inactivity (Mafia)

It is now Daytime. Daytime will finish in 48 hours or once all players have voted.

1 Arsonist
2 Citizens
1 Joker

[Paroxysm]

Vote SONATA based on the aforementioned arguments

[pikk0n]

Today's vote will be crucial and I'm not sure if Parox or SONATA is the arsonist. I'm still confused as to why you voted for pokerface yesterday, Parox. Did you simply not read what Dandelion posted a couple of days ago? That said, at the moment, in my opinion, it is 50-50 between you and SONATA for me. Having voted for SONATA 2 days ago, I am leaning more towards SONATA but your voting patterns concern me. Forgive me but it is only natural that I find the 2 of you suspicious.

[Paroxysm]

Do you recall me saying that I had no idea on who I should vote on, and that causing a tie between the two most suspicious people would be best in my eyes as it would give a higher chance to find the mafia and the arsonist in one hit. Either way, its pretty much the final day to vote and mine is on SONATA either way.

We are almost certain that pokerface is the joker.
I have been pretty much clear of any affiliation with any role other than citizen from early in the game
pikk0n, you seem like the other citizen based on voting habits and arguments which you present

From this viewpoint, SONATA seems like the obvious arsonist, however pokerface could've played us like a boss.

[AvPoker]

Yes I'm Arsonist, vote for me.

[pikk0n]

I can see what you're getting at with the tie, Parox. Well, pokerface seems to rather obviously be the "arsonist" and seeing that the tie would have killed Meatex, you'd have gained nothing if you were the real arsonist (not SONATA) from the tie.

So that being considered, my vote goes to SONATA and hope to dear god that this flip of the coin works.

[Paroxysm]

There was method to my madness

[ToRDeathsFang]

I would rofl if pokerface is the arsonist and mind-fucked you both to believe he was the joker. >.> I'm on the edge of my seat. How will this end?

[Paroxysm]

Its mind-numbingly edge-of-the-seat action right here.. But seriously, just gotta wait for 2 other votes :/

[SONATA]

so since i will die anyway... i will come clean. i am the citizen. so sad tht after 3 rounds i am still citizen... i vote pikkon.

[Paroxysm]

and now pokerface's vote?

So screwed if this is wrong :/

[AvPoker]

Vote for SONATA

[Benji]

SONATA has been killed by the Citizens. He was a Citizen.

1. nard - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
2. craZerk - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Mafia)
3. pikk0n - Voted for Sonata
4. LennX - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Arsonist (Mafia)
5. DeathsFang - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Professional (Vigilante)
6. cruxis - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Arsonist (Citizen)
7. Skrawl- ***DEAD*** Killed by the Mafia (Citizen)
8. pokerface - Voted for Sonata
9. Rorschach - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Doctor)
10. HDPhoenix - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
11. Next_rim - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Mafia (Citizen)
12. BakaInu - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Mafia (Citizen)
13. jackwong - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Survivor)
14. tgun - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Arsonist (Citizen)
15. Paroxysm - Voted for Sonata
16. Zanderax - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Mafia)
17. Zergtastic - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Professional) *WINNER*
18. mustapusta - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Vigilante (Vigilante)
19. Dandelion - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Mafia (Informat)
20. SONATA - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
21. Meatex - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Mafia)
22. Screwby - ***DEAD*** Killed by Inactivity (Mafia)

It is now Nighttime. The Arsonist has 24 hours to PM me his action.

[Paroxysm]

pikk0n you sly dog :/

[pikk0n]

Sorry, Parox. But who would have expected SONATA to still be a citizens after 3 rounds. gg, guys.

I shall vote for Paroxysm on the final day of mafia.

Now to watch things screw up because I doused SONATA last night instead of pokerface. LOL!

[SC2MKP]

see trust me guys i dont lie... *dies*

[pikk0n]

Trust who?

[Paroxysm]

haha in that case, I will vote pikk0n.

[pikk0n]

But I might not have doused SONATA last night.... Let me check my sent messages or if Benji's around, let's see who he reveals as being burnt after a horrible dark night.

[Benji]

Pokerface has been set on Fire. He was the Joker.

Due to the following Rule:
The Arsonist wins ALL tiebreaker situations (even over Mafia) and as a result, if a Day Phase results in the Arsonist and any other player being the only 2 players left, the Arsonist wins.

Paroxysm has been killed by the Arsonist. He was a Citizen.

We have our winners of Round 3 of sc2sea Mafia
pikk0n (Arsonist)
Zergtastic (Professional)

1. nard - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
2. craZerk - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Mafia)
3. pikk0n - (Arsonist) *WINNER*
4. LennX - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Arsonist (Mafia)
5. DeathsFang - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Professional (Vigilante)
6. cruxis - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Arsonist (Citizen)
7. Skrawl- ***DEAD*** Killed by the Mafia (Citizen)
8. pokerface - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Arsonist (Joker)
9. Rorschach - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Doctor)
10. HDPhoenix - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
11. Next_rim - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Mafia (Citizen)
12. BakaInu - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Mafia (Citizen)
13. jackwong - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Survivor)
14. tgun - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Arsonist (Citizen)
15. Paroxysm - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Arsonist (Citizen)
16. Zanderax - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Mafia)
17. Zergtastic - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Professional) *WINNER*
18. mustapusta - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Vigilante (Vigilante)
19. Dandelion - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Mafia (Informat)
20. SONATA - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
21. Meatex - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Mafia)
22. Screwby - ***DEAD*** Killed by Inactivity (Mafia)

Congrats to the 2 Winners.

There will be a few days before I create the signup thread for Round 4, in the meantime I would like some feedback on what you guys like and don't like about the game. Which roles suck? Which are too strong and why?

[Paroxysm]

GG WP pikk0n

[pikk0n]

GG. Thanks guys and thanks Benji for the game.

I feel that the survivor is the hardest role to play because he is everyone's enemy. And if he reveals himself early, he'd have no chance of winning the game. I played mafia for the first time earlier this year at my friend's house and he had this role of an immortal, much like the survivor, except he can't be killed at night times and can only be killed off by a lynch. We didn't have vigilantes or professionals so I don't know if day time kills would work on him. Maybe a bit of tweaking to the survivor's role will make the role less redundant?

As for a role that is a little OP, I have to say that I had my eyes pinned firmly on the professional's role but zergtastic took it. To just kill either a vigi, arsonist or the survivor to win seems a little easy IMO. More so if the professional survives till the end and any of these players still remained. It's not too hard to figure out who these players were. You've got 3 kills anyway. A little imba there.

Arsonist is a little UP if the killers had remained alive for a longer period (ie. either one of the vigis and professional) though it is just harder to win it. Not impossible. After the deaths of the 3 killers, I found my role a little easier The multiple deaths were fun though.

Another role you can consider adding is that of a hooker to stop someone from voting during the day? More active roles encourage less inactivity and I feel for SONATA being a citizen 3 times in a row.

[pikk0n]

On a side note, what happens if the last mafia and the arsonist were to kill each other on the same night? Does the arsonist burn the mafia first or does the mafia shoot the arsonist first? OR does the mafia get burned and shoots the arsonist right before he dies?

[SONATA]

oh man now i am gonna be hit on round 4