[Juggernaut]

hi, i tried contacting the staff, but didn't get much help.

anyway, i'm thinking about putting together a new PC just to compete in SC2. now, my question was if it'd be possible to receive some kind of certificate or even just a piece of paper saying i won or competed in a tournament on here. i'm not really interested in the money, but something saying i was here and actually competed would be great.

before i spend a lot of money on a new PC i want to make sure.

thanks

[HDPhoenix]

That's an interesting idea..

We currently don't have a system like that but it can easily implemented. I speak on behalf of MSS, I'll let Nirvana speak for SC2SEA and the other community leaders to speak for their own groups.

[Benji]

Originally Posted by Juggernaut

hi, i tried contacting the staff, but didn't get much help.

anyway, i'm thinking about putting together a new PC just to compete in SC2. now, my question was if it'd be possible to receive some kind of certificate or even just a piece of paper saying i won or competed in a tournament on here. i'm not really interested in the money, but something saying i was here and actually competed would be great.

before i spend a lot of money on a new PC i want to make sure.

thanks

Why on gods name would you want a certificate?

[WagonWheel]

Originally Posted by Benji

Why on gods name would you want a certificate?

Include it as part of your CV. You know. So that employers know that you're an absolute Starcraft genius.
Oh, and a nerd.

[FvRScrewby]

Originally Posted by Benji

Why on gods name would you want a certificate?

Hang it up on the wall?

[Juggernaut]

Originally Posted by Benji

Why on gods name would you want a certificate?

umm have you ever played a sport outside of esports? all sports give you some kind of trophy when you win a competition.

[Benji]

Originally Posted by Juggernaut

umm have you ever played a sport outside of esports? all sports give you some kind of trophy when you win a competition.

This isnt sports, its esports. Noone in esports ever recieves a certificate and those that get trophies are those that win significantly larger tournaments (10,000+ Prizepool).

[mGMUSE]

Originally Posted by Benji

This isnt sports, its esports. Noone in esports ever recieves a certificate and those that get trophies are those that win significantly larger tournaments (10,000+ Prizepool).

and why can't esports have their own certificate/trophys? it'll definitely be useful in your career be it as a pro-gamer or joining a gaming related company such as razer/steelseries/intel/gom or what have you.

[Benji]

Originally Posted by mGMUSE

and why can't esports have their own certificate/trophys? it'll definitely be useful in your career be it as a pro-gamer or joining a gaming related company such as razer/steelseries/intel/gom or what have you.

I don't even understand why this is even an argument. Its a shit idea, end of discussion.

[Makra]

Originally Posted by mGMUSE

and why can't esports have their own certificate/trophys? it'll definitely be useful in your career be it as a pro-gamer or joining a gaming related company such as razer/steelseries/intel/gom or what have you.

A certificate for winning a small scale online gaming tournament is going to be worth jack all for getting a part-time job at a computer store or LAN cafe, let alone pursuing fulltime careers in the gaming industry. The only worth they might have would be personal worth, and I doubt there are many gamers out there interested in receiving a certificate.

Welcome to the site juggernaught, and sorry for the less than warm reception :/

[inFeZa]

I'd just rather walk in and say, "IM THE JUGGERNAUGHT BITCH"

Job accepted

[cure]

Yeah this is actually an interesting idea for another tournament LOL.

[pXAero]

So is what you're thinking of doing is going to a computer store with a certificate to try and get a bit of a discount on your computer? It may well work, I've known people to go into sports stores and discounts because they've won a triathlon, at least they said they did, could all just be BS.

Nice idea with certificates though, maybe not for weekly tournaments but for champions cup or SEA SLs. Just something with an official logo on it to hang on your wall or use in your CV.

[Juggernaut]

Originally Posted by Aeropunk

So is what you're thinking of doing is going to a computer store with a certificate to try and get a bit of a discount on your computer? It may well work, I've known people to go into sports stores and discounts because they've won a triathlon, at least they said they did, could all just be BS.

Nice idea with certificates though, maybe not for weekly tournaments but for champions cup or SEA SLs. Just something with an official logo on it to hang on your wall or use in your CV.

lol

no, just a piece of paper. maybe 'certificate' was the wrong word. i just meant something to say i competed. even just a piece of paper would be enough. i just want something real instead of putting something in my sig.

i'd place it next to my monitor if i won.

[nirvAnA]

sc2sea shall now begin handing out graduation certificates for our 3 year starcraft program

[pXAero]

Originally Posted by nirvAnA

sc2sea shall now begin handing out graduation certificates for our 3 year starcraft program

Can I get government study allowances for this???

[Cosmos]

I want a scholarship to nirvana university please!

[rezyn8]

I think it would be easier for sc2sea.com to have a tournament honour roll of the top 3 placings for each tournament. Makes it an easy reference for everyone and certificates are worth nothing. It would also help increase sc2sea.com exposure to the greater community by demonstrating its involvement.

[HDPhoenix]

Firstly, it wasn't an argument to begin with. It was just a simple question.

Juggernaut, its more a matter of practicality than anything else. Usually sports prizes are trophies, like the ones in GSL, but since we're scattered over various countries, that's not feasible. When you mentioned certificates, that is doable and something we can look into for the future. I think its worth a look into if people actually would appreciate this form of achievement.

I'm sure this discussion is read by many of our tournament organizers, and thou they might not take it seriously for now, I believe it is a direction I will take Mothership Studios in. I had not considered this till now so thank you for the suggestion.

Achievement comes in many forms to different people. I myself have kept all my medals and trophies I won in school days cause they do mean something to me, even thou I know the medal costs like $5 to make. Most athletes would compete just for glory itself (look at our smaller SEA tournaments), and a physical momento of that carries a certain amount of weight to some people.

[deL]

I always wondered why I didn't get a trophy for entering BSG.

[mGMUSE]

Originally Posted by Benji

I don't even understand why this is even an argument. Its a shit idea, end of discussion.

Originally Posted by Makra

A certificate for winning a small scale online gaming tournament is going to be worth jack all for getting a part-time job at a computer store or LAN cafe, let alone pursuing fulltime careers in the gaming industry. The only worth they might have would be personal worth, and I doubt there are many gamers out there interested in receiving a certificate.

Welcome to the site juggernaught, and sorry for the less than warm reception :/

FYI, the reason why i got chosen to work at Razer over the other hundred applicants was that I put my WCG winnings under 'Achivements' in my resume.

What do you think sponsors look at when they choose to sponsor you? A huge achievement list is what every sponsor wants, and while they don't exactly ask for certificates or verifications at the moment if we can do it this way why not?

I'm starting to wonder if people on this site really want eSports to grow. Or maybe it's because they can't win anything and thus it's a 'shit idea', END OF DISCUSSION.

[Benji]

Originally Posted by mGMUSE

FYI, the reason why i got chosen to work at Razer over the other hundred applicants was that I put my WCG winnings under 'Achivements' in my resume.

What do you think sponsors look at when they choose to sponsor you? A huge achievement list is what every sponsor wants, and while they don't exactly ask for certificates or verifications at the moment if we can do it this way why not?

I'm starting to wonder if people on this site really want eSports to grow. Or maybe it's because they can't win anything and thus it's a 'shit idea', END OF DISCUSSION.

If you were applying to any job that WASN'T related to gaming, putting that kinda stuff on your resume makes you look like an idiot.

Grats on being part of the 0.001% of people that can relate gaming and work together, but for the rest of us, not bragging about our achievements irl doesn't mean we don't want to grow esports, its because we are smart enough to distinguish between the 2.

But back on topic, because your post was clearly just an excuse to brag about your job (btw I earn more money than you), mailing out certificates and trophies costs money, time and effort for zero gain. It wont happen.

[mGMUSE]

Originally Posted by Benji

If you were applying to any job that WASN'T related to gaming, putting that kinda stuff on your resume makes you look like an idiot.

Grats on being part of the 0.001% of people that can relate gaming and work together, but for the rest of us, not bragging about our achievements irl doesn't mean we don't want to grow esports, its because we are smart enough to distinguish between the 2.

But back on topic, because your post was clearly just an excuse to brag about your job (btw I earn more money than you), mailing out certificates and trophies costs money, time and effort for zero gain. It wont happen.

My original argument was that it would be useful for having it on your resume for a pro-gamer OR gaming-industry related job. L2Read.

How is not doing what you love being 'smart enough to distinguish between the 2'?

I don't even know if you're thinking. It's not zero gain. A tangible item is worth infinitely more than an intangible statement. I would gladly have the organizers to take $20 out of the prize pool to send trophies and such so the top 3 winners.

Also what is money when you don't need it? I'd happily enjoy my job, cover my living expenses than be someone's bitch while earning useless excess money.

If you disagree PM me I don't want to flood this thread with offtopic

[Benji]

Originally Posted by mGMUSE

My original argument was that it would be useful for having it on your resume for a pro-gamer OR gaming-industry related job. L2Read.

How is not doing what you love being 'smart enough to distinguish between the 2'?

I don't even know if you're thinking. It's not zero gain. A tangible item is worth infinitely more than an intangible statement. I would gladly have the organizers to take $20 out of the prize pool to send trophies and such so the top 3 winners.

Also what is money when you don't need it? I'd happily enjoy my job, cover my living expenses than be someone's bitch while earning useless excess money.

If you disagree PM me I don't want to flood this thread with offtopic

I'm sorry, but what the **** do you do for the esports scene?

Here I am spending hours doing casts for the community, putting work into production for said casts as well as playing the game at a fairly high level. I've dedicated quite abit of my own time for this community and game, and here you come waving your dick around saying that I don't want esports to grow, when all you do is play a few ladder games and post once or twice. Hell, i've played in more sc2sea tourneys than you have, and i have to cast a good number of them as well.

You're an idiot. There's nothing else about it. Trophies + shipping cost will cost more than most of the prize pools, and in 99% of situations the player would prefer having money anyway. The 1% of situation is a minority, and i'm sorry but you don't get your way.

If you want a certificate, sure go ahead and make yourself one, but any graphic designers in the community have better things to do than create useless certificates because you want to feel like showing your IRL friends how good you are at online games.

If you want a permanent record, print out the brackets from the tourney, or the news post recording the winner.

[nirvAnA]

in all seriousness something feasible we might implement is a Hall of Fame section for all the winners / runner ups of our tournaments, basically something like this http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=415 but for all tournaments

we dont give out certs because the logistics of it is too hard with the shipping/ delivery costs etc and well not many pple have the desire to have a physical cert printed out on their wall. if those are the stuff u are want, u shld play at the highest levels so u can get really cool stuff like Swords for Blizzconn winners or giant cheques like Ace @ NRG which would be far more rewarding and recognised then our certs.

[Eryx]

Print the bracket or maybe a LAN would have something like that but please do compete with us the more the merrier

[Mezza]

if you do win something, i'll stick your name in it. and mail you a high resolution jpeg
print and parchment at your own cost.

now to look for the long lost .PSD

please, no more bickering in this thread.

[Juggernaut]

Originally Posted by mezza

if you do win something, i'll stick your name in it. and mail you a high resolution jpeg
print and parchment at your own cost.

now to look for the long lost .PSD

please, no more bickering in this thread.

wow, bro that looks amazing. i was just thinking of something made in Word, but you did a fantastic job.

[BaKaiNu]

Rofl Mezza, you should not make it medival, or else it would look like a WC3 certificate. Needs more space and stars! :P

[DuckSauce]

@Benji: You didn't have to cast any events, in fact the terrible job you do I hope you never touch castnig again. Regardless if you think you're helping, you're wrong. Your knowledge is very limited, and you make stupid jokes that aren't funny.
@Juggernaut: Focus on getting good before getting prizes.

[Juggernaut]

Originally Posted by DuckSauce

@Juggernaut: Focus on getting good before getting prizes.

yah, i know bro. i'm about to shell out some serious cash for a new PC just to compete in SC2. i just want to know there's a light at the end of the tunnel.

[noobinater]

Originally Posted by Juggernaut

yah, i know bro. i'm about to shell out some serious cash for a new PC just to compete in SC2. i just want to know there's a light at the end of the tunnel.

Why do you want to compete? To beat people? To have fun? What does having a piece of paper on your wall add to that that a news post on an obscure website wouldn't? Trophies like this seem silly for anything less than the SEASL.

You should really have more than one reason to splash out on a gaming computer unless you're going to be playing SC2 at a really high level.

[Benji]

Originally Posted by DuckSauce

@Benji: You didn't have to cast any events, in fact the terrible job you do I hope you never touch castnig again. Regardless if you think you're helping, you're wrong. Your knowledge is very limited, and you make stupid jokes that aren't funny.
@Juggernaut: Focus on getting good before getting prizes.

Out of all the feedback i've ever received about my casting, 1% of it is negative. Noone agrees with you, you are a minority. Sorry.

[Juggernaut]

what's casting? podcasting do you mean?

show me an example.

[cure]

Originally Posted by Juggernaut

what's casting? podcasting do you mean?

show me an example.

Erm, casting of games. Should be able to find his vods here

PS: Merged your above posts, please refrain from double/triple posting in the future and use the edit button, thanks.

[Juggernaut]

Originally Posted by cure

Erm, casting of games. Should be able to find his vods here

PS: Merged your above posts, please refrain from double/triple posting in the future and use the edit button, thanks.

cool, ill check it out.

ok, i'm looking at it now and it's just videos of games? i thought casting meant commentating?
edit: ok now i found where someone's talking, but there are 2 people?

[deL]

Juggernaut if you would take some advice, spend your money elsewhere I don't think you have what it takes to become a top player and win in significant prized tournaments. Even if I am wrong there's not that much to be had by being a top SEA player. Buy a new car instead of a new PC or something.

[deL]

Originally Posted by Juggernaut

look, i'm not saying i'm gonna be a professional gamer.

my situation is that i damaged my knee in training so i just want something to compete in. i said earlier i'm not interested in prize money, just a piece of paper.

If you want to burn some hours while your knee gets better and have a little certificate to show for it go do a pottery class. Something like this should never happen in SC2/esports, it's just not how it is - it's a professional and highly competitive arena trying to be taken seriously where you don't get a pat on the back just for participating in small, local community events.

A post in the hall of fame should be sufficient.

[Juggernaut]

Originally Posted by noobinater

Why do you want to compete? To beat people? To have fun? What does having a piece of paper on your wall add to that that a news post on an obscure website wouldn't? Trophies like this seem silly for anything less than the SEASL.

You should really have more than one reason to splash out on a gaming computer unless you're going to be playing SC2 at a really high level.

how is it silly? so you're saying all the trophies i have from when i played sports during childhood are silly? i should just recycle them. right? cos after all, they were obscure and were played against minor low level competition.

there's no difference between getting a trophy in a low level local cricket tournament and getting a trophy(piece of paper in this case) in a low level online game tournament. there's no different in eSports and 'real life' sports. look, maybe to you eSports don't mean anything, and soccer doesn't mean much to me, but go to brazil or europe and soccer is the most respected sport. to me and many others, eSports matter.

to be honest, i find it strange i need to argue this against an online gaming community. it would be like me walking into a soccer club and saying "hai guise, why are you running a rubber ball up and down a field? shouldn't you be doing something real like reading a book or solving math problems?"

Originally Posted by deL

Juggernaut if you would take some advice, spend your money elsewhere I don't think you have what it takes to become a top player and win in significant prized tournaments. Even if I am wrong there's not that much to be had by being a top SEA player. Buy a new car instead of a new PC or something.

look, i'm not saying i'm gonna be a professional gamer.

my situation is that i blew out my knee in training so i just want something to compete in for the time being. i said earlier i'm not interested in prize money, just a piece of paper.

[Eryx]

Then compete as a competitor you know it's about passion. This scene is far too small to provide the shiny things but the community offers a place to be connected with other people who enjoy the game and love the idea of trying to beat other people in a more structured environment than ladder. It's these sorts of things that will make you want to get better or you'll find your place and still feel involved. Personally I like the Idea of getting tangible objects but it in online community run events it's an extra that's not commonplace in any gaming community. There are LAN events that have this kind of stuff and it's cool idk how many events in your area or mine do but there are instances of this in various communities.

[Juggernaut]

Originally Posted by Eryx

Then compete as a competitor you know it's about passion. This scene is far too small to provide the shiny things but the community offers a place to be connected with other people who enjoy the game and love the idea of trying to beat other people in a more structured environment than ladder. It's these sorts of things that will make you want to get better or you'll find your place and still feel involved. Personally I like the Idea of getting tangible objects but it in online community run events it's an extra that's not commonplace in any gaming community. There are LAN events that have this kind of stuff and it's cool idk how many events in your area or mine do but there are instances of this in various communities.

bro, i said this earlier. i'm looking to make friends and connect with people, too. i just want a momento of competing and maybe winning a tournament on here.

[nGenLight]

I feel OP, I would like a certificate for the first time I masturbated. I knew I wasn't going to be a professional rocket polisher (oh how wrong was I), but looking back now I sure don't mind having a certificate showing I competed and trained in the arts of masturbation.

Ok in all seriousness, give the OP a break, he is probably just a sentimental person that likes to keep a memento of things he has done. It is just unfortunate that currently the online gaming community doesn't care so much for this stuff, as well as the difficulty of logistics. That said, if physical trophies/achievements for minor events becomes a norm in the future, it would hardly be a bad thing. Thank you OP, you have definitely enlightened us on the possibility to be more sentimental with our eSports.

As of right now though, no you won't be getting any certificates unless you win a major tournament. This is just the state of eSports as it is right now, sorry to disappoint you. Otherwise I would sure love to have a peice of paper on my wall that says "Bachelor of Forcefield".

[Mezza]

Dear Juggernaut,

All the best, if you do win any of the sc2sea events and would like something to print out at your own cost, look me up.

Dear All,

As I don't see anything else constructive being said in this thread, I am closing it.
Have a good day.