[Benji]

Just a FYI, I make it clear if a family misses a vote

[pikk0n]

^ Hehe... What Benji said. In the last round, when the mafia misses a kill, the mafia family is declared inactive by Benji. So crazerk, I gave you the option of voting because you were saved by the doc and I did mention that there is a possibility that you're a mafia mistakenly saved by the doc. It's definitely possible early in the game.

You voting for me is expected but the 3 way draw between you, dtorr and parox throws beyond doubt that you're NOT a citizen. For once, we got really lucky and voted for 3 active members. A draw between you and dtorr would mean a 50-50 chance of a mafia dying or rather, a better chance. To protect yourself from dying, you'd naturally vote for me.

I didn't throw you under the bus or anything. You were the safe player since the doc saved you (it was either you or Lennx and if Lennx didn't get saved, you who called out to the doc would have been the obvious choice for the doc to save) and you were the logical choice to lead a lynch until the unlikeliest of 3 way draws happened yesterday which placed you on our wanted list. One thing. It's unlikely that you're in the Rosellini family since their kill was blocked 2 nights ago. You're most likely in the Tortellini Family or the joker or the prof. As for DtorR, is he a member of the Rosellini family or a joker or a prof? I don't know. But a draw between both of you will shed some light. It wasn't so much that you killed parox based on your lynch but the 3 way draw killed parox. You targeting DtorR right after you randomly voted for Parox and called for a draw is rather controversial with some inconsistency after you mentioned that you're against draws. Yesterday's draw helped though unfortunately, a vigi was killed. Today's draw would shed light on you and DtorR's role. As I said, you might be a joker. Of course, the death of one mafia would mean nothing because they still get 2 kills. Still a long way to go.... The mafia hasn't made any friendly fires yet. D:

EDIT: I know this is going to look really bad... This is crazerk v pikk0n round 2.... I trusted crazerk to lead a lynch yesterday since he's the next most vocal person apart from me and he was saved by the doc. Naturally, you'd assume that the doc would save him last night even if he killed a citizen. Hence the reason I suggested that he lead the lynch yesterday. Besides, he was a mafia last round... What's the chance of him remaining a mafia this round? -.- (SONATA 4 time citizen... LOL!) Don't take this personally, crazerk but I flipped a coin between you and dtorr. It chose you. This daytime lynch should be a draw unless the mafia members decide to completely mind**** us.

[Nobunaga]

To me, it feels like the mafia is just playing it safe. A 3 way tie last round, but so little votes with a few being made irrelevant. Has anyone thought of the possibility none of the 3 were mafia, and that the mafia let it play out?

Something just feels off about this situation, and considering pikk0n wrote a pretty lengthy post on why Crazerk should vote, then didn't vote at all makes me vote for pikk0n this time.

[nard]

this is quite a conundrum. there are holes in your argument though pikkon... it could be simply that none of the 3 that are tied are mafia. a 3way tie is the worst sort of tie if all 3 arent mafia.

[pikk0n]

Originally Posted by Nobunaga

To me, it feels like the mafia is just playing it safe. A 3 way tie last round, but so little votes with a few being made irrelevant. Has anyone thought of the possibility none of the 3 were mafia, and that the mafia let it play out?

Something just feels off about this situation, and considering pikk0n wrote a pretty lengthy post on why Crazerk should vote, then didn't vote at all makes me vote for pikk0n this time.

I already voted for crazerk. Check 2 posts ahead. Hence the reason why crazerk voted for me.

[pikk0n]

Nard, if none are mafia/joker/prof, the vigi would not die. Rather simple. I'm very sure a vigi would carry more weight over the citizens.

One more thing. I've won last round of mafia so winning isn't a priority here. I enjoy making votes that count and if you decide to waste your vote on me, it's fine. I'm not too fussed. Remember that you've killed your beloved citizens in every single one of your lynches + a vigi for safekeeping. This is with me entrusting the lynching to you guys. Whether you choose to believe me or not is entirely up to you. You're the one who'll end up not winning the mafia round. I'm just giving you that extra 1% chance of winning. As for my role, I'll be playing the same old card. I'm a mafia player and I'm NOT a vigi or a doctor. What I am will be revealed when I die. If you're going to waste the draw from yesterday and let a mafia go free, I salute thee. If I don't die from the daytime lynch, I'll die from tonight's kill from the mafia. Basically, this is my last play for this round. You can waste your lynch on me or you can let the mafia kill me tonight with the doc dead. It's entirely up to you.

[DtorR]

Voting CrAzerk.

[crAzerk]

This is with me entrusting the lynching to you guys.

Lol, don say it like sitting back and staying under the radar wasn't part of your strategy. It's the best strategy, regardless if you're Mafia or Citizen, up to a certain point.

I can't find where you wrote it but somewhere you made the assumption that in a 3 way tie, in the case of non-Mafia, the citizens will be of the lowest priority. Isn't this NOT the case?
can Benji clarify this?
e.g. Vigilante, Citizen, Informant in a tie, Citizen will lose for sure. True/False?

[Benji]

Originally Posted by crAzerk

Lol, don say it like sitting back and staying under the radar wasn't part of your strategy. It's the best strategy, regardless if you're Mafia or Citizen, up to a certain point.

I can't find where you wrote it but somewhere you made the assumption that in a 3 way tie, in the case of non-Mafia, the citizens will be of the lowest priority. Isn't this NOT the case?
can Benji clarify this?
e.g. Vigilante, Citizen, Informant in a tie, Citizen will lose for sure. True/False?

False, its a coinflip. Only Mafia and Arsonist have priority in ties, EVERYONE ELSE hes to deal with the coin.

[pikk0n]

Flip of the coin for everyone else.... Fair enough.

As for sitting back, it's the best strategy for everyone if you're not the one being saved by the doc or if you don't plan to ask the doc to save you. Hence the reason I sat back and waited for more information. You were free to lynch away and got the 3 way-tie. Clearly you were the person being saved by the doctor. We'd never know who the doc saved last night after his death.

[Zanderax]

After a long consideration (2 seconds) and reading the most recent posts (Just the bold). I vote Pikk0n

[EveRorschach]

Keeping things even between CrAzerk and pikk0n so vote CrAzerk for 3-3.

[AvPoker]

Tippin the vote equilibrium
votin pikk0n
sry buddy

[crAzerk]

Votes on crAzerk - dtorr, pikk0n, rorscharch

votes on pikkon - crazerk, nobunga, zanderax, pokerface


Keeping track, so if I get past this round (or even if I don't), we'll know who's suspicious.

[Nobunaga]

Originally Posted by pikk0n

I already voted for crazerk. Check 2 posts ahead. Hence the reason why crazerk voted for me.

Last round you didn't, meaning the previous day round. You asked Crazerk to post first, then didn't post a vote afterwards.

1. Meatex - Voted for Crazerk
2. Nobunaga - Voted for Paroxysm
3. crAzerk - Voted for DtorR
4. BakaInu
5. LennX - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Professional (Citizen)
6. HDPhoenix - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
7. pokerface
8. Paroxysm - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Vigilante)
9. Deathsfang - ***DEAD*** Killed by Both Families (Arsonist)
10. Skrawl - Voted for mustapusta
11. SONATA - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
12. mustapusta
13. Zanderax - Voted for Pikk0n
14. DtorR - Voted for Paroxysm
15. nard - Voted for Bakainu
16. Rorschach - Voted for Crazerk
17. pikk0n
18. jackwong
19. Amornthep
20. Zergtastic
21. Next_rim - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Tortellini Family (Vigilante)

[crAzerk]

Wow that's even more interesting, I didn't notice that.

Come on guys, that should be compelling enough reason to vote pikk0n. It seems even more definite that he is Mafia now.

[Zanderax]

The mafia are the people who got the mafia messages... Unless they aren't! Or maybe they are! I DON'T KNOW ANYMORE!

[BaKaiNu]

Tipping the balance back. Voting for Crazerk.

A draw is the best lead for us. We possibly would not know if either Pikkon or Crazerk is mafia, so a draw leading to a death would give us a higher chance to vote out the mafia rather than singularly picking out someone to die.

[Nobunaga]

The problem is that we don't have the numbers to let more citizens die. Losing another citizen just means we're going too be lacking votes next round.

[AvPoker]

i dont like crazerk.
switching my vote from pikkon to crazerk unless he amuses me otherwise