[VoxMSI.Rogue]

Feedback is always a good thing.

But remember when you are providing this feedback if it is biased, unstructured or emotional it isn't very helpful!

Make sure you can clearly list examples and be clear about what could be improved on, constructive criticism is the best criticism!

I am not saying you are wrong or don't deserve an opinion, the best thing for growing this community and improving is to hear criticisms of both players and spectators, but having your voice heard is as much about how you provide feedback not just what feedback is being provided!

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by xGKingBenji

More details required with regards to this point.

Re: Rogue. It was basically because we had no space. The amount of room at the casting computer area was very little - didn't really bother me, anyone complaining about how I look on camera is fine. It means I'm doing a good job, actually.. you know..

commentating.

[VoxMSI.Rogue]

lmao I know dude, that is simply the only thing I can think of when they said "out of place"

Considering your commentary is always spot on and the stream production looked pretty good considering it was from the venue etc.

I think it was more the camera perspective at times too, but yah I was just being a dick rofl

[Budokahn]

@fray Rouge, not really a PiG fan boy actually observing PiG and tgun talking about people on there ladder games actually gave me a negative opinion of them both, however if i were to be called a fan boy moonglade fan boy will do.

so...

1. if PiG changed what he vocally made clear the issue was, after he moved computers (he thought it was laptop related) then ok fine..

2. i know exactly what caused the delays, and although your right i have no experience in running sc2 tournaments i have however done extensive event planning on a larger scale in my career, so i think i have a valid opinion. The organisers were to forgiving and went overboard with their accommodating the players to move at their on schedule.

3. if the event was promoted and organised well it could have been closed of to public as it would have generated sufficient income. ie no screaming customers.

4.obviously I have seen inside city hunter and think that there is a possibility for spectator viewing and there are many viewing placement possibilities so not sure what your on about there, public attendance is very important at all venue held tournaments.

Soo.. i said it was my take allowing it to be my opinion my view my my my, so bias to one player?? i used PiG as an example to outline what i noticed about the event.

as far as the structure of my post i agree it was poorly set out, just typed out a train of thought and posted it, as i didn't have the foresight to see the level of critic people such as yourself would give it.

Benji, i did feel a little bad for including the casting element, it was mainly poor audio and Tgun always sitting right back looking at you for all the conversation outside of the game, probably not worth making an issue of. i actually think the effort in the live stream by those involved in bringing it to twitch was decent.

[VoxMSI.Rogue]

Originally Posted by Budokahn

1. if PiG changed what he vocally made clear the issue was, after he moved computers (he thought it was laptop related) then ok fine..

Firstly, not being a dick here but no other players complained except for Ninja who's battenet authenticator was running in the background and causing his framerate to drop. KingKong played on one of the laptops for the entire day without any issues. PiG's behaviour in my own opinion was over the top and unnecessary. No player should ever respond like this especially in front of a sponsor.

Secondly, I hate to be the one to say this because Jared is a friend, BUT, he has been known to make excuses for losing in the past which has been pointed out to him on several occasions. I'm not saying I don't believe him, but, if you talk to a number of players in the community in the past he had been known to in other players eyes make excuses. I am not saying this is the truth and these factors have never affected him, but once again without any other player complaining etc it is hard to tell if this issue is legitimate as he never raised any concerns with those running the event about the laptops, he told those in charge it was an internet issue.

Originally Posted by Budokahn

2. i know exactly what caused the delays, and although your right i have no experience in running sc2 tournaments i have however done extensive event planning on a larger scale in my career, so i think i have a valid opinion. The organisers were to forgiving and went overboard with their accommodating the players to move at their on schedule.

If you think anyone who is organising tournaments wishes to be there hours after the schedule was supposed to wrap up, you are crazy! BUT, Chris is well aware of catering to the players who come to his events. Sometimes, you just have to roll with it. When there is 50 plus people things can get behind, there can be problems and players go awol. Walkovers were given and players were told to get on with it. Calling Chris and the event unprofessional is rather unfair I personally have never been to an offline event where it ran to schedule.

Originally Posted by Budokahn

3. if the event was promoted and organised well it could have been closed of to public as it would have generated sufficient income. ie no screaming customers.

CityHunter is part of a chain of stores. Closing to the public may not have been an option without hiring out the entire store which can be an expensive thing to do. The event was promoted with a lot being invested into that promotion by both MSi and CityHunter. Once again, players need to be used to noise at events. Most offline events are not closed off, there will be distractions. Learning to play in these conditions is vital for those who wish to be competitive.

Originally Posted by Budokahn

4.obviously I have seen inside city hunter and think that there is a possibility for spectator viewing and there are many viewing placement possibilities so not sure what your on about there, public attendance is very important at all venue held tournaments.

Without moving desks etc I don't really know how this can be achieved? Remembering that CityHunter would be operating normally the day before and after the event and staff were working 12+ hours on the day of the event I don't know that moving an entire room of built in furniture is possible, then there is questions of storage etc. Granted a spectator area would have been awesome, I personally would have loved to sit down at watch my friends compete but I don't think the lack of area in anyway ruined the event, people sat together and watched the stream in groups regardless.

Originally Posted by Budokahn

Soo.. i said it was my take allowing it to be my opinion my view my my my, so bias to one player?? i used PiG as an example to outline what i noticed about the event.

Sorry, just every complaint you seemed to have centered around PiG which gave the impression of bias.

[Budokahn]

see i find these much better critisims of what i had to say than your initial points thanks

[iM tgun]

For the "awkward" comment: I'll try to work on it in the future. I pretty much ignored the fact that there was a webcam for the most of the event, as I didn't really expect to be there casting, was really just there to say hello to everyone as it was likely the last cityhunter event.

As for advertising it -- it would be a HUGE loss to cityhunter to close the store to public for the day. As much as we all love SC2, the simple fact is that we aren't big enough in sydney to close a lan center down for a day. Also, a lot of the people who play games are lan centers are playing LoL (or other games, but iirc LoL is by far the most popular), thus making them lose even more money.

Setting up a spectator area is almost impossible. Most of the tables, computers.. hell, anything that can be, is bolted down. There's very little room to even stand behind players as they play -- setting up a viewing area in the lan center is simply not feasible, especially since they have to continue day-to-day operations.

[x5_dot]

Lol never mind the 2 second lag spikes...

[|Erasmus|]

Originally Posted by iM tgun

Setting up a spectator area is almost impossible. Most of the tables, computers.. hell, anything that can be, is bolted down. There's very little room to even stand behind players as they play -- setting up a viewing area in the lan center is simply not feasible, especially since they have to continue day-to-day operations.

There was one quite a while back where they used one of the private rooms as a bit of a viewing area... just had one PC that joined the game as an observer and filled that room to watch. Was quite good, but unsure if they can spare two rooms since often one is used to get a bit of quite space for the stream.

[nGenLight]

On a note, Jared's actually been really good lately at biting the lip when the environment is less than optimal/satisfactory.

I wasn't there on the day but 2 second spikes is retarded, frustration COX is understandable

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[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by |Erasmus|

There was one quite a while back where they used one of the private rooms as a bit of a viewing area... just had one PC that joined the game as an observer and filled that room to watch. Was quite good, but unsure if they can spare two rooms since often one is used to get a bit of quite space for the stream.

During the whole event, there was generally people in the room next to us. Renting it out is a pretty big loss of income to them.

[Benji]

Originally Posted by |Erasmus|

There was one quite a while back where they used one of the private rooms as a bit of a viewing area... just had one PC that joined the game as an observer and filled that room to watch. Was quite good, but unsure if they can spare two rooms since often one is used to get a bit of quite space for the stream.

For that event we had ~8 in that room, and whilst it was fun, we ended up trading that for a stream. As tgun has said, 2 rooms is out of the question, we are lucky to get one.

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	Pandan:	Chad makes a good point. You can often do better production at home, especially when there's no players on camera etc