[nirvAnA]

Mvps and mods have suggested that neg rep be removed again, with reasoning along the lines of pinders original suggestion.

Will try it out for the next 2 weeks.
Feedback during that time is welcome.

[Rage]

I haven't really seen any significant abuses of negative rep.

The only thing I really see that I see as a downside to the rep system is the now-infamous TA-train, which isn't so much a failing of the rep system as it is an inevitablity of a forum where people can post things.

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	syfChadMann:	blame TA - good work.
	ToR.Arnor:	boom
	TAkrunch:	I wish neg rep was back
	Champi:	you've gone too far, adding u to the list, buddy
	ToRVenom:	i think this is correct

[inFeZa]

relevant

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ToR.Arnor:

[VoxMSI.Rogue]

lol so what, people post retarded shit then cry because they get neg repped?

............................

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	Fourby:	I would neg rep you right now
	TAriiChard:
	Zepph:	this. people need a nice cup of harden the *%$# up
	ToR.Arnor:	those people are mostly your friends
	mGGDaedalus:
	syfMiley:	-1
	neKo:	You speak the truth.
	nirvAnA:	I think many underrate how important epeen is to people lol

[inFeZa]

Now i can troll without the fear of being negative rep'd

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mGGDaedalus:

IM TRYING TO FROWN

[Rage]

Well, i admit that its usually not done without some reason, even if it is taken too far

It doesn't really bother me - most people on here recognise it when it happens.

For a good example of what I mean, you can look at the chobo hacking thread. It wasn't just people saying retarded stuff getting downrepped - even people who were just calling for some thoroughness were being downrepped.

[Fourby]

Just give people infractions for overuse of stupid neg reps LOL

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	ToR.Arnor:	Agreed
	NOM:	+1

[syfChadMann]

You post shit you get negg'd.. you post good stuff and add to the community - you get up'd..

Now, you post shit - nothing happens.. what are you trying to reward here?

If someone is abusing neg rep - remove their rep-powers after a warning for a particular length of time.

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	ToR.Arnor:	from experience, you do :D
	Zealo:	you do more than anyone

[TAEdgE]

People's names should be removed from rep, maybe a colour denotes the worth of their rep or something like that.

Positive rep stays with the option of no comment (although this could change), and Neutral/Negative both require a comment. This isn't 100% going to make rep as unbiased as possible, but it removes giving reputation based on the people who have already given rep and having a mini discussion with that person.. I dunno I just thought of this, it's not very air tight xd.

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Zealo:

[Rage]

you can't make a system that isn't abusable by someone who really wants to abuse it, i think, and its detrimental to try
the negative rep system is good for everyone except when its being abused - the solution isn't to remove it, the solution is to punish those who abuse it

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	nirvAnA:
	TAavanar:	i agree with your last line
	mGGDrGooSe:
	Zealo:	♥... **** i'm abusing it now aren't i?

[Mayo]

Won't that just encourage the TA Rep train and then noone can be held accountable for their actions?

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	ToRSpartaz:	Valid point Chris.
	Zepph:	They share a lot of the same views and therefore shouldnt all be allowed to neg rep the same post? leave TA out of this

[neKo]

Why do people even care about what rep they are given? like does anybody honestly look at their rep and go "hell yeah im so ******* repped up" It means next to nothing.

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BAD.BiGbiRd:

Look at my comment/rep

[syfMiley]

Originally Posted by Rage

I haven't really seen any significant abuses of negative rep.

The only thing I really see that I see as a downside to the rep system is the now-infamous TA-train, which isn't so much a failing of the rep system as it is an inevitablity of a forum where people can post things.

What the **** is this rep train that you are talking about, don't blame this on us because we all might look at a post the same way.

Rep is just meant to be like a "comment" on other peoples forum posts, either have it all or just remove it, if you have something that important to say then just post it as a reply in the thread yourself.

Enjoy your points/numbers guys!

[Mayo]

It's kinda like the old Neg rep wars in the old GotGames.. NRC, Neg Rep Crew etc.

They would just +rep each other all day every day and neg rep everyone else.
They ended up with like 100k rep and people they didn't like would have -100k rep.

The TA rep train was an example

[Fourby]

The last time i remember an ACTUAL TA rep train happen was a LONG time ago, all the recent ones were just neg reps on stupid posts who actually deserved them, (maybe some of the ones asking for thorough evidence werent deserved, idk i didnt see them im referring to stuff like chobo being a cock and his initial ego post of his desktop) everyone just herp derps to say " oh look another TA rep train when we have all just neg rep'd individually coz the post was stupid.

TA is a close group of people, its easy to assume that we have common thoughts on things.

We dont have a guy running around messaging everyone like HEY COME NEG REP THIS GUY COZ I DID.

:Btw this isnt a shot at mayo, just everyone has been saying "TA rep train" alot lately and its actually starting to get silly

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	syfChadMann:	The blind stero-types of TA members has to stop.
	syfMiley:	We have big schlongs!
	Champi:	i love when u say things for me, cos now i dont have to :D

[TAEdgE]

Originally Posted by Mayo

Won't that just encourage the TA Rep train and then noone can be held accountable for their actions?

No it won't.

It is seriously frustrating me now. It isn't a valid point as much as it is an easy assumption to make. Take it from someone who is in TA Chat and reads it 24/7. No one EVER, and i mean EVER links something and says hey everyone down rep this (except for really early ones, like on Benji), or everyone up rep this. Everyone scrolls through the forum, reads something, and agrees. The only reason a lot of TA might rep something is because they see another TA did and they agree enough to rep. Go back to my earlier post - if the names are removed, there will be none of that. Then you might argue 'you could go and scheme in TA chat and bypass the system' well you know, people are adults and if I personally see this i'll alert someone about it, and even then the admins can still see any indications of this.

Having such a large clan that have often shared similar opinions and ideals causes a stack of TA tags together in certain posts. Take jayaiwhy's post, TA is getting publicly insulted and belittled and who doesn't expect TA to be angry at this and comment? Look at it from my point of view - Yes, TA are defending in large numbers, but the positive reps are not based on quality of post, but rather just to add their own dislike of TA. This can be seen as an anti-TA rep train, and is equally as bad.

I just feel that all the things people see wrong with negative rep, or most of them at least branch back to TA and i can see why, but in reality nearly every member has down a rep for the sake of 'counter rep' or a negative rep that insults or doesn't add anything. Without trying a team (such as AsG for Chobo) can combine 5 reps together, or friends just rep other friends for the sole reason that they are friends. Rep system has many flaws and I wish there was just a global neutral rep where you could comment with a one liner that at least adds something, rather than a frowny face saying 'no' or a happy face just obnoxiously sitting there.

Edit: i'm not saying that TA members are saints, they do say some stupid and harsh things at times and follow most of the above problems with the rep system, but they do not deserve nearly as much blame as they are getting.

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	ToR.Arnor:	Yep, it may stop ppl up/down stuff just cause friends do and actually take the time to read!
	x5_Bard:	OBNOXIOUS SMILING WHICH SAYS I AGREE WITH YOU
	TAminimat:
	iMSystem:	I'm not from TA, but I'm +repping this post. LOOK OUT
	inFeZa:	TA REP TRAIN THIS WOO ... err... i mean... (srsly he's 100% correct)
	[TA]LoSt:	Well said mate
	Champi:	thanks for putting a lot of my frustration into words :)

[Mayo]

Thanks for your explanation.

From personal experience, it did encourage it in other communities.
I care about the SC2 community as you guys are totally baller, I don't want you to turn to poo like others.

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TAEdgE:

Not lashing out at you, just built up annoyance that i've explained haha

[KFCrumpet]

iread rep comments byt dont look at someones rep score. if its valuable info in the post i take from it. if its stupid i just ignore it. a +ive rep score isnt going to make me better at anything, neither is a -ive rep. at the moment it feels like a lot of people are treating this site like a school yard popularity contest.

[syfMiley]

Originally Posted by cRFourby

The last time i remember an ACTUAL TA rep train happen was a LONG time ago

I can only recall no more than 2-3 instances where we ran a "train" on people and that would of been 10 months ago, after those 2-3 "trains" it hasn't happened since then.

[xGKingdelete]

I think neg rep was fine, often people counter rep undeserved neg rep