[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by kiP

I'm just saying how things are.

I don't like to give my personal opinion at times as I generally get flamed for it. My opinion really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things as I'm not a sponsor and am in now way shape or form affiliated with your team.

However, you calling someone a douche on a public forum is questionable considering that it's specifically coming from an "aspiring" Pro gamer. But you know what IMO, some people really are actually down right douche bags and someone needs to tell them! haha. Just not sure if it's OK coming from you "if" your aiming for that Professional appreance, which is much more "attractive" to potential teams or sponsors in future.

I know if I had a snowballs chance of becoming a Pro gamer earning a decent salary, I'd just keep my mouth shut on public forums and simply type "gg wp" at the end of each game. Even if I know inside I'd love to smack the living s^*t out of my opponent for playing such an OP race. lols.

But hey, not everyone is the same.

This is my problem with peoples perspective on progamers: you're basically expecting them to show no emotion at all. It's ******* ridiculous. If someone is going to try and call me out for absolutely no reason (like in this thread), you're basically expecting that person to sit there and cop it on the chin; for what reason? Because I'm better than the average person? Because I want to, one day, be playing at an international level?

It makes no sense. Sure, public decorum, blah, blah, blah. I don't understand how people could possibly look at someone responding to being called out and think "You know what, **** this guy and his sponsors. I'm never going to buy x product again". That's absolutely ridiculous.

[syfChadMann]

Originally Posted by tgun

This is my problem with peoples perspective on progamers: you're basically expecting them to show no emotion at all. It's ******* ridiculous. If someone is going to try and call me out for absolutely no reason (like in this thread), you're basically expecting that person to sit there and cop it on the chin; for what reason? Because I'm better than the average person? Because I want to, one day, be playing at an international level?

tgun - while you should defend yourself, you should do it professionally - post a well thought out statement about the issue and apologise publicly for it and then not keep arguing semantics after the fact. Think about how professional sports people make public comments to deal with issues.. like i've said already, if you want people to consider this a professional sport - act like it is.

Originally Posted by tgun

It makes no sense. Sure, public decorum, blah, blah, blah. I don't understand how people could possibly look at someone responding to being called out and think "You know what, **** this guy and his sponsors. I'm never going to buy x product again". That's absolutely ridiculous.

Negative brand association is a serious issue for sponsors. While the response to a negative attitude towards a team doesn't often directly make someone say "well iaguz is bm - I'm never buying kingston products ever again"... but when they are standing at the check out decided on Kingston or ACER ram - you will most likely subconsciously favour the brand that you have no negative associations with.

[ROOTPetraeus]

Originally Posted by kiP

I'm just saying how things are.

I don't like to give my personal opinion at times as I generally get flamed for it. My opinion really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things as I'm not a sponsor and am in now way shape or form affiliated with your team.

However, you calling someone a douche on a public forum is questionable considering that it's specifically coming from an "aspiring" Pro gamer. But you know what IMO, some people really are actually down right douche bags and someone needs to tell them! haha. Just not sure if it's OK coming from you "if" your aiming for that Professional appreance, which is much more "attractive" to potential teams or sponsors in future.

I know if I had a snowballs chance of becoming a Pro gamer earning a decent salary, I'd just keep my mouth shut on public forums and simply type "gg wp" at the end of each game. Even if I know inside I'd love to smack the living s^*t out of my opponent for playing such an OP race. lols.

But hey, not everyone is the same.

Just want to add on to what tgun said. Most progamers if not all, choose their career because they are passionate about that game. And that is why a lot of them are so good. Its ok to hold in the anger sometimes but I believe its also good to let out emotions Also, I don't think its fair to say "If I was a progamer I would do this.." because lets face it, you're not a progamer.

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by TAChadMann

tgun - while you should defend yourself, you should do it professionally - post a well thought out statement about the issue and apologise publicly for it and then not keep arguing semantics after the fact. Think about how professional sports people make public comments to deal with issues.. like i've said already, if you want people to consider this a professional sport - act like it is.



Negative brand association is a serious issue for sponsors. While the response to a negative attitude towards a team doesn't often directly make someone say "well iaguz is bm - I'm never buying kingston products ever again"... but when they are standing at the check out decided on Kingston or ACER ram - you will most likely subconsciously favour the brand that you have no negative associations with.

I'm not doubting there's better ways to handle it; but if you see a player being called out and responding accordingly, are you going to sit there going "You know what, tguns a dick, **** (x sponsor)"? Just for me standing up and defending myself, instead of sitting here and copping it?

What else am I meant to say when someone bm's me constantly? I've always said it, and I will continue to say it: if someone is going to be a wanker to me, I will accordingly call them a wanker. To do any less would be ridiculous, in my eyes; I've never, and will never, let people walk over me.

Also, direct comparisons to sport in this case are very.. bad? I'm not sure how to explain it. Professional players don't have as much interaction with the community; they have specified press conferences, MAYBE signings, that's about it. There aren't very many places you can just go and chat to them, so it's a very rough comparison, in my eyes.

[Bloodmyst]

Originally Posted by tgun

This is my problem with peoples perspective on progamers: you're basically expecting them to show no emotion at all. It's ******* ridiculous. If someone is going to try and call me out for absolutely no reason (like in this thread), you're basically expecting that person to sit there and cop it on the chin; for what reason? Because I'm better than the average person? Because I want to, one day, be playing at an international level?

It makes no sense. Sure, public decorum, blah, blah, blah. I don't understand how people could possibly look at someone responding to being called out and think "You know what, **** this guy and his sponsors. I'm never going to buy x product again". That's absolutely ridiculous.

Hey man, you know what.... as much as I agree with you. That is just how it is and there isn't anything you can do about it. As harsh as it may sounds, it's just how it is.

At the end of the day (speaking from my own perspective if I were a Pro-gamer), I'd just sit back and laugh knowing you are getting paid to do the exact same thing someone else is doing for leisure. The moment you get on the forum and retaliate at the hate is the moment you open yourself up for shit such as this. If you like the drama, well each to their own I guess... but imo "I" just don't think it's the better decision considering you are an "aspiring" Pro-gamer.

As I said before, not everyone is the same though.

[Mayo]

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[Fenner]

Originally Posted by kiP

Hey man, you know what.... as much as I agree with you. That is just how it is and there isn't anything you can do about it. As harsh as it may sounds, it's just how it is.

At the end of the day (speaking from my own perspective if I were a Pro-gamer), I'd just sit back and laugh knowing you are getting paid to do the exact same thing someone else is doing for leisure. The moment you get on the forum and retaliate at the hate is the moment you open yourself up for shit such as this. If you like the drama, well each to their own I guess... but imo "I" just don't think it's the better decision considering you are an "aspiring" Pro-gamer.

As I said before, not everyone is the same though.

Playing casually for fun is something completely different to practicing to compete at the highest level. I really hate when people have this thought process of pro gamers waking up everyday and having a blast playing SC2, they put ridiculous amounts of hard work, effort and dedication in to the game. Meaning a lot of the time it just simply isn't fun and its what separates the people playing leisurely and the top players.

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[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by cRfenner

Playing casually for fun is something completely different to practicing to compete at the highest level. I really hate when people have this thought process of pro gamers waking up everyday and having a blast playing SC2, they put ridiculous amounts of hard work, effort and dedication in to the game. Meaning a lot of the time it just simply isn't fun and its what separates the people playing leisurely and the top players.

I was going to post, but this just about sums it up. Progaming isn't as glorious as people make it out to be; we all do it because we love it. Waking up to play a game for 7 hours a day, however, you aren't having a blast. Half the time you're grinding out games attempting to make something just BARELY work five seconds earlier. Just BARELY control better. It's the most frustrating thing in the world to then have peope expect us to act a certain way, and a certain way only. To act like ******* robots. It doesn't work that way.

[Bloodmyst]

Originally Posted by tgun

I'm not doubting there's better ways to handle it; but if you see a player being called out and responding accordingly, are you going to sit there going "You know what, tguns a dick, **** (x sponsor)"? Just for me standing up and defending myself, instead of sitting here and copping it?

What else am I meant to say when someone bm's me constantly? I've always said it, and I will continue to say it: if someone is going to be a wanker to me, I will accordingly call them a wanker. To do any less would be ridiculous, in my eyes; I've never, and will never, let people walk over me.

Also, direct comparisons to sport in this case are very.. bad? I'm not sure how to explain it. Professional players don't have as much interaction with the community; they have specified press conferences, MAYBE signings, that's about it. There aren't very many places you can just go and chat to them, so it's a very rough comparison, in my eyes.

I'll say again because I know it's a touchy subject, I'm not trying to direct some attack or anything. But merely just interested in this discussion. So to continue on;

Why do you feel the need to defend yourself? Why step down to their level?

If you are active in the community helping people out and contributing to the community in a positive way ie Helping lowbies with basic advice (I'm sure there are many other ways).... I'm sure the majority of people in the community will see that the advantages/positives far outweigh the disadvantages/negatives when they look at you. Thus, no need to even bother with the haters who want to hang shit on you, just ignore them.

Sooner or later you will find the community will just take care of those haters for you. This is when you can sit back and laugh at the amount of people who start hanging shit on those who just try to hassle you. This is what we call a strategy for developing a fan base, now once this fan base has grown to such a large number...... oh hang on where were we? haha!

Man I'm sure you understand what I'm trying to say, I don't think I need to elaborate on this anymore.

NOW GO PWN SOME ASS AND PUT SEA ON THE SC2 MAP!!!! :P

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by kiP

I'll say again because I know it's a touchy subject, I'm not trying to direct some attack or anything. But merely just interested in this discussion. So to continue on;

Why do you feel the need to defend yourself? Why step down to their level?

If you are active in the community helping people out and contributing to the community in a positive way ie Helping lowbies with basic advice (I'm sure there are many other ways).... I'm sure the majority of people in the community will see that the advantages/positives far outweigh the disadvantages/negatives when they look at you. Thus, no need to even bother with the haters who want to hang shit on you, just ignore them.

Sooner or later you will find the community will just take care of those haters for you. This is when you can sit back and laugh at the amount of people who start hanging shit on those who just try to hassle you. This is what we call a strategy for developing a fan base, now once this fan base has grown to such a large number...... oh hang on where were we? haha!

Man I'm sure you understand what I'm trying to say, I don't think I need to elaborate on this anymore.

NOW GO PWN SOME ASS AND PUT SEA ON THE SC2 MAP!!!! :P

I never took anything you said personally: I'm sorry if it came across that way, it's just a sore subject for me. People always expect progamers, or those aspiring to be a progamer, to uphold a ridiculously high standard because they're "playing games for a living". They don't realise that when you begin to play for 6+ hours a day, a lot of the fun is gone.

[TCPLemminks]

Erm what the hell did shuffle do?
I sat across him at the LAN, he was perfectly fine, and friendly^^.

[ZC.EvilSWAT]

After reading through 5 pages, all that I have learnt is that MarineKingPrime has a partnership with TTeSports. Time to get teh munnies out and buy meself a TTe keyboard.

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[iVnStinger]

My take on the situation and thread.

Just to be clear. I apologize should I say something that is either offensive or not in context. I have gone through all the pages and tried to understand as best as I could, but should I make a mistake please let me know.

"You can mold a mannerism, but must chisel a character"


We are all human. Just because we are manner in a game, doesn't mean we are a better person than the other. Tgun may have raged, but say someone needed his help, do you know if he'd help the person? What you are on the outside and what you are on the inside are totally different.

Take for example people like Meatex or SundeR. They may have gotten off on the wrong foot in this society, but look at who they truly are. Don't just look at how the vent their emotions into a loss or a win. Similarly in this situation, Tgun was just frustrated in one game and he was disrespectful. Does that make him a bad person?

No. He even went up to Iaguz to apologize and shake his hand. What more can you ask for? That is as good as it can get. It should not be up for discussion if what he did was wrong or not. We do not know how we would have felt in his situation. Stop trying to tell him how he should be. He is himself and no one else. We may have felt what he did was rude, but did Iaguz think that? The person who played him didn't give a shit and we want to blame him for that?

Tgun does not deserve praise nor punishment for what he did. He was given a situation, and that is how he reacted. Hopefully in the future he will be in a better mood and this won't occour.

In my honest opinion, this thread was over the minute we knew he apologized later. I honestly suggest a lock.

PS: Sorry again if I got my facts wrong or lacked clarity. Just let me know and I'll make sure to edit it.

EDIT: On a side note, forgot to congratulate you guys! GJ!

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[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by iVnStinger

My take on the situation and thread.

Just to be clear. I apologize should I say something that is either offensive or not in context. I have gone through all the pages and tried to understand as best as I could, but should I make a mistake please let me know.

"You can mold a mannerism, but must chisel a character"


We are all human. Just because we are manner in a game, doesn't mean we are a better person than the other. Tgun may have raged, but say someone needed his help, do you know if he'd help the person? What you are on the outside and what you are on the inside are totally different.

Take for example people like Meatex or SundeR. They may have gotten off on the wrong foot in this society, but look at who they truly are. Don't just look at how the vent their emotions into a loss or a win. Similarly in this situation, Tgun was just frustrated in one game and he was disrespectful. Does that make him a bad person?

No. He even went up to Iaguz to apologize and shake his hand. What more can you ask for? That is as good as it can get. It should not be up for discussion if what he did was wrong or not. We do not know how we would have felt in his situation. Stop trying to tell him how he should be. He is himself and no one else. We may have felt what he did was rude, but did Iaguz think that? The person who played him didn't give a shit and we want to blame him for that?

Tgun does not deserve praise nor punishment for what he did. He was given a situation, and that is how he reacted. Hopefully in the future he will be in a better mood and this won't occour.

In my honest opinion, this thread was over the minute we knew he apologized later. I honestly suggest a lock.

PS: Sorry again if I got my facts wrong or lacked clarity. Just let me know and I'll make sure to edit it.

EDIT: On a side note, forgot to congratulate you guys! GJ!

You're pretty much spot on with this. Thread needs to be locked, everything has been said.

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[Maynarde]

I agree, see ya thread! *waves*