[breadfan]

Originally Posted by cR.ChadMann

I think the issue isn't so much the students - but he cheated out other legitimate Terran coaches.. HuT or iaguz could have been able to provide the service - that they have legitimately obtained the ability to give.

That's a fair concern. When I first contacted CHoBo for coaching, I don't think HuT was a recognised coach yet. The only other option was Yoon, who was long term inactive thanks to uni. Is iaguz back coaching? I don't think he's coached in the entire time I've been a member of SC2SEA, he does hang around and drop some pretty sweet knowledge in the TGM forums though, and anywhere it's needed for that matter.

I think we're talking extremes here though - there's no reason someone has to go to a TGM coach for coaching, and there's no reason CHoBo can't offer coaching off his own back without endorsement from this site, and that's still fair competition. But yes, when the overlap happens for people (probably most on here) who will prefer a TGM coach and had the choice and went with CHoBo due to his record (probably less so), that's very valid.

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	nirvAnA:	iaguz is back!
	CHoBo(kice):

[Nerphed]

Why weren't they allowed to take a spot as a listed coach as well? Diversity is good and competition drives people to try harder, therefore better coaching....?

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syfChadMann:

They are other coaches - but CHobo took students off them... -_-

[Nerphed]

Hmm see again I see that as being biased because he cheated in a tournament, you assume he can't coach and therefore took students off them, I personally didn't even look to HuT or iaguz, so he definantly didn't take me from anyone. I guess I'm just more forgiving than you, I don't know but It really seems like you're out to get this guy due to a personal vendetta or something. Same with Peleus.. I don't know I don't really spend enough time in the forums or on the channels to really understand if that's the case, and don't take offense, I'm not making any accusations, just merely observations.

-edit- added last sentence instead of making another post.

[Peleus]

Originally Posted by Nerphed

Hmm see again I see that as being biased because he cheated in a tournament, you assume he can't coach and therefore took students off them, I personally didn't even look to HuT or iaguz, so he definantly didn't take me from anyone. I guess I'm just more forgiving than you, I don't know but It really seems like you're out to get this guy due to a personal vendetta or something. Same with Peleus.. I don't know I don't really spend enough time in the forums or on the channels to really understand if that's the case, and don't take offense, I'm not making any accusations, just merely observations.

-edit- added last sentence instead of making another post.

No personal vendetta in the sense I don't even know Chobo.

On the flip side, I absolutely despise cheaters, and so many have shown again and again that they cannot be trusted and continue to lie and cheat in the future. This is a game where people are making a living off it, many people like Pig etc rely on income from coaching and tourny winnings. Cheating literally threatens their livelihood and I find it disgusting.

As a side note, I hate all cheaters equally, so I also despise anyone on that confirmed hacker thread list, and wish they would get all life bans and be totally removed from the community. If you're shown as a hacker you don't have any care for the community so why should you have a chance at being a part of it.

I had a look in my sc2gears for something and realised that over the last 314 days I've played 1129 hours ingame. That's 14% of my hours dedicated to try and get better at starcraft 2. Sad for some people but it's what I enjoy / how I relax. I can't imagine how much effort people like Mafia, Pig, Tgun, Iaguz, etc etc put in to get better at this game. Imagine all that being nullified by some dick going and downloading some hacks and taking prize money off you. Wouldn't you be furious too?

[Nerphed]

Originally Posted by Peleus

No personal vendetta in the sense I don't even know Chobo.

On the flip side, I absolutely despise cheaters, and so many have shown again and again that they cannot be trusted and continue to lie and cheat in the future. This is a game where people are making a living off it, many people like Pig etc rely on income from coaching and tourny winnings. Cheating literally threatens their livelihood and I find it disgusting.

As a side note, I hate all cheaters equally, so I also despise anyone on that confirmed hacker thread list, and wish they would get all life bans and be totally removed from the community. If you're shown as a hacker you don't have any care for the community so why should you have a chance at being a part of it.

I had a look in my sc2gears for something and realised that over the last 314 days I've played 1129 hours ingame. That's 14% of my hours dedicated to try and get better at starcraft 2. Sad for some people but it's what I enjoy / how I relax. I can't imagine how much effort people like Mafia, Pig, Tgun, Iaguz, etc etc put in to get better at this game. Imagine all that being nullified by some dick going and downloading some hacks and taking prize money off you. Wouldn't you be furious too?

Sure, but Chobo didn't/doesn't hack?

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syfChadMann:

he did cheat tho.. and its just as bad.

[iM yang]

Originally Posted by Nerphed

Sure, but Chobo didn't/doesn't hack?

cheater =! hacker

[Peleus]

Originally Posted by Nerphed

Sure, but Chobo didn't/doesn't hack?

Cheater / Hacker, same principle applies for both.

[syfChadMann]

I'm saying - he used others to level up his account to GM - there is ZERO way of knowing he is even close to GM skill level - his coaching was offered of false pretences - if you were looking for coaching, and the two available options were HuT (GM level sponsored Terran player) or MrX (Diamond level no-name) who would you pick?

It wouldn't be the diamond level player. However, if said diamond player paid a high level European and Korean to level up his account to GM.. then had an impressive record on ladder.. you might be more comfortable getting coaching from him.
(hypothetically speaking - of course


In short, this elaborate lie has stolen the opportunity of coaching from people like HuT, iaguz, etc...

[CHoBo(kice)]

Hello chad I'm still here and still playing under Chobo. will not be disclosing other accounts as they are for paying customers

[syfChadMann]

Originally Posted by CHoBo(kice)

Hello chad I'm still here and still playing under Chobo. will not be disclosing other accounts as they are for paying customers

You mean Hyun and Naama paid YOU to play on your account?..


nirvAnA needs to know these accounts so your tournament ban can apply to them.. Kice is banned from tournaments, not just CHobo.. Your a liar and a cheat, plus your arrogance is shocking. for someone that cheated to gain an ego, I would have thought it would be deflated when you were caught.

Either way, I don't think you will have any more 'paying customers' you certainly don't deserve any.

EDIT:

Originally Posted by AsGNabi

Chobo got his title to coach just like anyone else did.

You mean he cheated and had someone else play on his account...? pretty sure iaguz earnt his coaching title himself..
And sure - you can say he did it himself.. but I wouldn't believe a liar like him - why would he cheat after being decent enough to be a GM coach?.. or is he just not good enough..?

[x5.Revenant]

Originally Posted by CHoBo(kice)

Hello chad I'm still here and still playing under Chobo. will not be disclosing other accounts as they are for paying customers

It is quite obvious that the majority(if not whole) community does not want you(a messed up person ethically) to be here. Why are you still posting as if nothing happened?

Edit:

[Ripped]

Originally Posted by Revenant

It is quite obvious that the majority(if not whole) community does not want you(a messed up person ethically) to be here. Why are you still posting as if nothing happened?

^^, the punishment is unjust for the act committed. Imo to cheat in a friendly tournament on sc2sea should act in a life ban from online events in association with sc2sea, although should still be able to attend Lan events past a certain period of time. Disgusting.

Edit: Yes, i will let you win Bard. Also, how is he still able to post on the forums :l ?

[Nerphed]

Ok but, after Chobo's post just now, we know know he's holding accounts in GM, I'm a diamond Terran on NA and if I had someone power me up to GM I would lose the placement very quickly I'm sure, so there's LOTS of ways of knowing he's more than close to GM skill level

[x5_Bard]

And if he cared about his students it would have been for free.

[x5_Bard]

Imo to cheat in a friendly tournament on sc2sea should act in a life ban from online events in association with sc2sea

Since the masters cup is a friendly tournament, would you guys mind just letting me win the next one?

Would be really nice

[Nerphed]

I wont argue that cheaters arent better or worse than hackers or anything of the sort, I just feel that people are taking the opportunity to be incredibly invasive and destructive, he took a chance, did something wrong, got caught and is honoring the punishment, keep your thoughts and ideas for the tournament ban, don't start demanding he pay back coaching money, christ. If the customers at my work started telling me I had to pay back all of my money I earned because I did something wrong even though throughout the months of earning that money I earned it in a legitimate fashion, I'd tell them to get ******, the fact Chobo offered to refund me is but admirable but stupid, I think he really shouldn't bow down so far to everybody.
Damn that was a long post o.0

-edit- Oops, I thought there was a language filter in place, fixed that n.n

[SanG]

In ladder, hacking is worse than smurfing.
In a tournament smurfing is worse than hacking
IMO

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	deL:	hard to distinguish, both are just "cheating"
	RicocheT:	Both are bad bro

[RicocheT]

Can see both sides of the argument.
I can only say one thing, which is kinda off-topic but w.e

As a Terran, why wouldn't you go to Iaguz for coaching?
Dat BEARD!!!

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nirvAnA:

iaguz is taking a break from coaching!

[iM SundeR]

Nabi - the smurfing incident didn't just occur 'recently', it's been going on for a long long time - this is proven in confessions by both parties. You don't understand that simply being in Grandmaster League is not enough to offer the high level, quality coaching that SC2SEA wants to give to people in The Grandmaster Manual scheme.

[AsGNabi]

Originally Posted by SundeR

Nabi - the smurfing incident didn't just occur 'recently', it's been going on for a long long time - this is proven in confessions by both parties. You don't understand that simply being in Grandmaster League is not enough to offer the high level, quality coaching that SC2SEA wants to give to people in The Grandmaster Manual scheme.

I don't think you understand and seem to have great difficulty accepting the fact that Chobo's students were satisfied in his coaching. If they weren't, I'm sure they would have at least complained or stopped going to him and he would have eventually been taken off from coaching.

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	iM SundeR:	totally irrelevant. if he didnt smurf he would have no students, why dont you get this
	CHoBo(kice):